INMOTION V11 (2020)

[Camenbert]

7 hours ago, Unventor said:

.... Using more lightweight materials will right now ramp up cost a lot. It might be the next step in innovation we can ask for 

In the interview of Charles Cai (InMotion CEO, there YouTube), it seems that InMotion had a plan to launch 4 products in 2019-20, V8F (done), V11 (presented), evolution of V5 (to come, discussed here, someone have news ?) and an high end model with a $15.000 price tag  

I guess this mean carbon fiber everywhere, titanium parts...    ???

 

Otherwise one design flaw on the V11 IMO, the front light should have been on the upper, to be suspended like the rider.

It then won't blink (light) as a stroboscope on uneven road, not to mention "off road".

[Nic]

10 minutes ago, Camenbert said:

In the interview of Charles Cai (InMotion CEO, there YouTube), it seems that InMotion had a plan to launch 4 products in 2019-20, V8F (done), V11 (presented), evolution of V5 (to come, discussed here, someone have news ?) and an high end model with a $15.000 price tag  

I guess this mean carbon fiber everywhere, titanium parts...    ???

 

Otherwise one design flaw on the V11 IMO, the front light should have been on the upper, to be suspended like the rider.

It then won't blink (light) as a stroboscope on uneven road, not to mention "off road".

I suspect that high-end model is likely to be something like this...

[Jason McNeil]

Sorry for delay, there's been so much to going on.... Launched the V11 deposit page, signs are promising that we'll be able offer at the target $2k target price. Please let know me if there's any specific questions to ask to our IM contacts  

https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-inmotion-v11-1420wh-battery-2000w-motor-pedal-suspension-deposit/ 

• When will the $1,999 price be confirmed?
  Initially Inmotion had set the introductory price at $2,299, we felt this was too steep for a Wheel with these specifications & have been lobbying to try to offer at a reduced preorder price of $1,999. It is expected that this price will be confirmed before the end of the week, 12th April. There is a chance that we will not be successful in these efforts, in which case, there will be the equivalent in store for the difference in price…
• When is it expected the first video reviews will be made?
  If all goes to plan, the first preproduction V11 will be sent out to our YouTube reviewers around mid-May.
• If I put a deposit in today, when will the v11 actually arrive? 
  Inmotion have set a target production release date by the end of June. We have placed our order first in the production queue; if there’s demand, we may have some of the first V11s flown in, at an estimated supplementary shipping cost of about ~$250.
• Will there be the voltage speed reduction similar to the other Inmotion models, such as the V10/F?
  The precise information on this point has yet to be established, we’re trying to work with Inmotion to achieve the right balance between ride safety & to not diminish the performance of the Wheel with unnecessary speed throttling. The ideal behaviour will be similar to the King Song 16X/18XL, with the speed reductions threshold to engage below the 33% level.
• Is there a protective cover available for the V11?
  Yes, it’s most likely.

 

• The V11 has the dual-input charging ports, can I use 2x 5A rapid-chargers at once?
  Further testing needs to be performed & discussions with Inmotion about the maximum safe rate of charge. At a minimum, it should be able to attain 5A.
• What type of battery cells are used on the V11? 
  The V11 holds many firsts for Inmotion, it is their first Wheel to use the larger capacity/size 21700 cells. To reduce the center of gravity, 80x 21700 5Ah type battery cells are packaged into the motor housing (40 per side). We’re awaiting information on the exact brand/model of these cells. Another advantage to this design, is it allows the width of the Wheel to be exceptional slender, far more than other models with similar specifications.
• In the 3D rendered images, the tire appears unique to V11, what type of tire is the Wheel shipped with?
  It’s expected this will be a standard Chao Yang/Kenda 18×3″ similar to the Gotway MSX/MSP.

Edited April 7, 2020 by Jason McNeil

[Yxzygäilijä]

37 minutes ago, Camenbert said:

Otherwise one design flaw on the V11 IMO, the front light should have been on the upper, to be suspended like the rider.

I think this is major design flaw. In my opinion everything except tire and motor should be suspended because the lighter the tire (and other parts what is not suspended) is, the better it follows road bumps and potholes and therefore feels smoother. On V11 design, only upper shell, pedals and rider is suspended.

But still, this seems a huge step forward and pushes euc development further. I don't say the V11's design is bad, but it could be better.

[mrelwood]

46 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

It’s expected this will be a standard Chao Yang/Kenda 18×3″ similar to the Gotway MSX/MSP.

The MSX has a different tire than the MSP. I truly hope they won’t cripple the off-road ideology with the MSX tire. It is a road tire, clear and simple. Other than that, great info, Jason!

40 minutes ago, Yxzygäilijä said:

I think this is major design flaw. In my opinion everything except tire and motor should be suspended

I think you are going a bit far with the race car ideology. Do remember that up to this point the unsuspended weight of every EUC has included the tire, motor, batteries, inner and outer shells, pedals and their brackets, and a rider with 5-10 times the weight of the whole EUC. Wether the unsuspended weight is 10kg or 20kg could probably be felt, but for the speeds, how and where we ride, I’m certain that it really doesn’t matter enough to be called a flaw, let alone a major one.

What do you think about the videos we’ve now seen on the V11, does the suspension seem lacking in a major way?

[RagingGrandpa]

1 hour ago, Jason McNeil said:

• In the 3D rendered images, the tire appears unique to V11, what type of tire is the Wheel shipped with?
  It’s expected this will be a standard Chao Yang/Kenda 18×3″ similar to the Gotway MSX/MSP.

 

16 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

I truly hope they won’t cripple the off-road ideology with the MSX tire.

Inmotion! Give us a dirt tire option!

Looks like a huge pain to swap tires on V11... it would be a big plus it if were available with a knobby tire installed by the factory, and there are plenty of China-market tires for that size.

(I ride C186 for all surfaces, and wouldn't consider going back to a street tire ever again )

[AtlasP]

1 hour ago, Jason McNeil said:

Please let know me if there's any specific questions to ask to our IM contacts  

• GX12-3 charging connectors? (Presumably yes?)
• Bluetooth speakers? (Presumably no?)
• IP55 confirmed or at least confirmed as being sought? (Presumably being sought?)
• Seat? (Presumably no?)

1 hour ago, Jason McNeil said:

There is a chance that we will not be successful in these efforts, in which case, there will be the equivalent in store for the difference in price…

Can you elaborate on what this means? ;-) :-p

[Dave Wood]

@Jason McNeil I'd be interested to know how easy or difficult a tire swap would be or how long it generally takes?

[meepmeepmayer]

5 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said:

Whoa, ok, I'm starting to believe in this wheel!

D.A.M.N.

I'm not even that impressed by the super stable pedals, but by how controlled the descent is - no wheel runaway at the slightest! Super slow and controlled!

[Jason McNeil]

31 minutes ago, AtlasP said:

• GX12-3 charging connectors? (Presumably yes?)
• Bluetooth speakers? (Presumably no?)
• IP55 confirmed or at least confirmed as being sought? (Presumably being sought?)
• Seat? (Presumably no?)

• GX12-3 charging connectors? (Presumably yes?). Yes, it's the GX12-3 connector.
• Bluetooth speakers? (Presumably no?). Looks like they've dropped the BT speakers, not popular enough? 
• IP55 confirmed or at least confirmed as being sought? (Presumably being sought?). Yes, if the Spec sheet is to be believed
• Seat? (Presumably no?). Seems doubtful

[mike_bike_kite]

Real range? (96kg guy at ~20mph)

[Nic]

1 hour ago, RagingGrandpa said:

Inmotion! Give us a dirt tire option!

Looks like a huge pain to swap tires on V11... it would be a big plus it if were available with a knobby tire installed by the factory, and there are plenty of China-market tires for that size.

(I ride C186 for all surfaces, and wouldn't consider going back to a street tire ever again )

I like the standard tyre best.

A knobby tyre is really bad on road.

[Jpd]

22 minutes ago, Nic said:

I like the standard tyre best.

A knobby tyre is really bad on road.

The h-666 is a good multipurpose tire. I’ve recently installed it on my msx in place of a knobby tire.

[Yxzygäilijä]

2 hours ago, mrelwood said:

I think you are going a bit far with the race car ideology. Do remember that up to this point the unsuspended weight of every EUC has included the tire, motor, batteries, inner and outer shells, pedals and their brackets, and a rider with 5-10 times the weight of the whole EUC.

Okay. I agree I went a bit too far. But I'm just saying it could be better.

And I'm wondering why they didn't go with this design in the early prototype of V11 in this video:

 

It's excatly what I want. Battery, frame, electronics and pedals are suspended. Only motor and tire isn't. Wouldn't it be easy to attach shell, batteries etc etc... to the U-frame you can see on the video? Maybe there is some big issue with that design wich they realized and changed their plans. I don't know.

 

2 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Do remember that up to this point the unsuspended weight of every EUC has included the tire, motor, batteries, inner and outer shells, pedals and their brackets, and a rider with 5-10 times the weight of the whole EUC. Wether the unsuspended weight is 10kg or 20kg could probably be felt, but for the speeds, how and where we ride, I’m certain that it really doesn’t matter enough to be called a flaw, let alone a major one.

This is true. Difference between euc with suspension and euc without suspension is big and the ~20kg unsuspended mass propably isn't big deal in the riding feeling, but there is still space for development. In my opinion it's still at least a small flaw.

 

2 hours ago, mrelwood said:

What do you think about the videos we’ve now seen on the V11, does the suspension seem lacking in a major way?

No. It doesn't seem to lacking in major way. It looks great! And I'm even considering buying this wheel. But I can't say what it feels like based on videos.

[Marty Backe]

Price Drop

I had asked Jason if the US price was going to be more competitive than the MSRP of $2300. Apparently he had been agitating for a lower price.

Looks like the cost is now indeed $2000.

Inmotion does listen to the market 

[meepmeepmayer]

5 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Price Drop

[Marty Backe]

My Review Forthcoming

I'm happy to learn that EWheels is anticipating an early production wheel by mid-May for testing by Jason's YouTube team of reviewers. I very much look forward testing the suspension on all of my mountain trails. It's going to be a fun week 

[Nic]

18 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Price Drop

I had asked Jason if the US price was going to be more competitive than the MSRP of $2300. Apparently he had been agitating for a lower price.

Looks like the cost is now indeed $2000.

Inmotion does listen to the market 

I hope they also drop the UK price to the equivalent ... in fact worldwide. 

[Marty Backe]

2 minutes ago, Nic said:

I hope they also drop the UK price to the equivalent ... in fact worldwide. 

It was already listed on Speedyfeet's website at the lower price. Not including VAT of course. So it's probably $2k worldwide. 

[Afeez Kay]

8 minutes ago, Nic said:

I hope they also drop the UK price to the equivalent ... in fact worldwide. 

Erides.co.uk is working on this. As soon as we get the go ahead from inmotion, we will drop the price on the site  😁🇬🇧

Edited April 7, 2020 by Afeez Kay

[meepmeepmayer]

11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

My Review Forthcoming

They'd be stupid not to send you one for a video

[Phong Vu]

ok, so officially Kingsong also has a 18" with suspension  gonna be fun!

[Rehab1]

10 hours ago, RockyTop said:

I am a utilitarian. Remember that really pretty girl that you met, only to find out that she is the meanest most hateful person you ever met? She is not so pretty any more is she?

My wife is still pretty!

[Unventor]

1 minute ago, Rehab1 said:

My wife is still pretty!

So how does she feel about EUCs with suspension built-in?

This time she is bound to see a difference or....?

[Rehab1]

5 hours ago, Jason McNeil said:

Sorry for delay, there's been so much to going on.... Launched the V11 deposit page, signs are promising that we'll be able offer at the target $2k target price. Please let know me if there's any specific questions to ask to our IM contacts  

Alright buddy..... deposit is placed.  Just in case you may have forgotten our super secret  shipping arrangement .....please do not ship to my home or office and do not contact my wife for approval.