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  1. Generally third-batch or later (3-5 months) of most new wheels is normally fine. One notable exception is the S18, which launched in an exceptionally bad state and saw zero significant improvements/fixes between batch 1 & 2 despite its widespread problems--therefore while improvements are finally promised/expected for batch 3, it is unlikely that all will be properly resolved in a single revision, so it may take until batch 4 or 5 until the S18 is recommendable. Otherwise/aside from the S18, most other releases from this past spring/summer are all in pretty good shape by now (V11, Sherman, MSP from spring, etc). Conversely all the latest releases the past month or two (basically the late/fall Gotway releases) are still in their teething phase/it's a bit early for everything to shake out with them yet. This is all further compounded by sales trends by calendar--since more wheels are sold during summer, batch 3 of a spring/summer release will come sooner (closer to initial launch/release) than batch 3 of a fall/winter release--because of how quickly they will sell in their respective timeframes and therefore how long it takes to get to a batch 3.
  2. This is false. InMotion makes different covers for the V8 & V10--they look identical, but are objectively different sizes.
  3. (Responding just to the virtual needle suggestion) Please no--skeuomorphism in UI design is repugnant.
  4. AtlasP

    Gotway EX

    Agree with houseofjob, but just one very important fact to add--the EX is literally 50% heavier than the MSP (like one whole MSP with half of a second MSP glued to the side of it). So the EX's motor could even be 'somewhat' more powerful than the MSP motor, but the point is it's nowhere near 50% more powerful/enough to make up for the massive weight difference.
  5. @Seba or anyone else have any input on which is better--Lemfo Lem T versus the Ticwris Max--for this specific usage? (Screen quality/readability outdoors, screen responsiveness/physical button functions, battery life, size/weight, durability, etc?)
  6. Agree 1000%. A used V8/KS14/etc for ~$600-700 is a superior first wheel in every way compared to a new mten3 for $600. (Unless it's a used mten3 for under ~$350.)
  7. (If it wasn't clear, I did add your telegram link in the meantime. Just want to encourage you to consider setting up an easily findable online presence if you would please. :-) )
  8. Always glad to see a new group start up, although one of the conditions for this list/one of the goals with it was to encourage all such groups to have/create a "discoverable web presence" (as contained in the conditions in the very first post). We want EUCs to be more visible/prominent in local communities, and that means making it easy for new people to search the web for "EUC <your city/town/area>" and find groups like yours, and unfortunately telgram doesn't work that way/facilitate that. The lowest effort options are places like FB groups or Meetup groups which is why they are so common, or one could use one of the many free website builders such as 'wix'. I encourage you to try to set up one of those kinds of options (there are really tons of free options which can take less than 30 minutes) and then let us know. :-)
  9. @Seba What do you find yourself using your flic buttons for primarily/most frequently? I know what all they 'can' be programmed for, I'm just curious what someone would actually use them for frequently enough to warrant the setup.
  10. AtlasP

    Gotway EX

    ROFL from beginning of translated article: "First the weight. 39kg. No words, emotions alone."
  11. This is an absolutely-beautifully-crafted argument against the idea of speed & range as the only predominant considerations when reviewing/rating EUCs. Seriously, I'm jealous I didn't write it.
  12. So does it have the new, reinforced saddle design without the metal brackets?
  13. Tack! I'm sure you could have done so in Swedish [your native language]/I'm sure your English is much better than my Swedish [attempting your native language]. :-)
  14. First rule of attending a very public/highly recorded EUC event like that--don't be the proverbial 'that guy'. ;-p
  15. The V8F is still unmatched for its category (16" + at least 1k W motor/22 mph + sub-32 lbs + close to $1k) and as such is not just the wheel of the year but the wheel of the decade for that category--combined with its earlier incarnation, the V8, have certainly outsold all others by a long shot. As a huge fan and long-term defender of the 18[X]L, I have to say the V11 is almost a direct successor & certainly a direct upgrade to it--similar thin & tall feeling (people who love the feel of the 18[X]L will feel absolutely at home on the V11), but with much better ride quality due to the suspension & wider tire, plus all the niceties of the improved lights, BMS, kickstand, etc. So ultimately I would agree with your general sentiment, but for 2020 I would replace the 18[X]L with the V11.
  16. Personal pet peeve: OP should update thread title to include mention that original topic was addressed by a newer firmware. -- As for 'go home' mode, prior to wasting the past 2 years obsessively following the forums I would've thought such a feature over-protective. However after reading just how many people have absolutely no idea how their wheels work, I have to side with InMotion. In normal daily usage riders should not be riding with their normal level of aggressiveness down to such battery levels. Without a warning *many* people *will* ignorantly do so, then go online and complain when they experience cut-outs. Conversely an older InMotion company would have simply not allowed usage below such a conservative battery threshhold at all. 'Go Home' mode requires riders to acknowledge when they cross that threshold while still enabling them to ride the battery a bit lower. This seems like The Right Answer/compromise given the broader context.
  17. Yep, rolling resistance is a massive deal/impact to range. Wider tires have been all the rage in EUC land the past couple generations mostly to provide additional cushioning before suspension was created (and also tangentially as an off-roading feature). Now that suspension is here and as it continues to improve, I'd really like to see street-centric EUCs with suspension + narrower tires again (personally I think 2.5" like on the 18xl is a sweet spot)--let the suspension provide the cushioning and minimize rolling resistance again to maximize battery/range to get the best of both worlds. (In the absence of significant breakthroughs in batteries [which are perpetually "3-5 years away"], this would be the single biggest thing that could be done in EUC land to maximize battery/range and combat EUC weights spiraling out of control.)
  18. I'm not estimating anything/we don't have to estimate. Seba has provided rider statistics gathered from EUC World: And that's just the users of EUC World, which would be heavily skewed *toward* enthusiast riders (not including casuals who only use the stock app or no app at all, and who would just bring all those numbers down even further). There's really little room for debate when we have such a massive data set. On one hand you have the skewed anecdotes of enthusiasts in their bubble ("well all my buddies on our 90s-era forum and in my little riding friend group..."); on the other hand is actual data from over 55,000(!) EUC trips from the biggest enthusiast-centric third-party ride tracking app. Ultimately for the vast majority of EUC riders the speed & range delta between a V11 and Sherman would be indistinguishable to them because they would simply never exceed the speed or range capabilities of the V11 or any of the other ~$2k/84v wheels.
  19. The Sherman is mostly evolutionary/iterative and geared towards a very small niche subset of riders--its defining characteristics are centered around simply higher speeds, bigger batteries, etc. For a certain vocal minority always clamoring for the absolute highest speeds and/or range (and/or desperately wanting a 100v alternative to Gotway's perpetual production issues), the Sherman is of course a very exciting product, but one whose broader impact/relevance has been far overstated, especially at that weight and price (77+ lbs and approaching $3k). (It's really very similar to the Monster in a lot of ways--the biggest and fastest for a long time, with a number of objective strengths and a very passionate/vocal set of fans, but in the end very few people actually ride them.) By contrast the V11 is truly revolutionary--the first consumer EUC with an entirely new mechanical feature, suspension, providing categorically better ride quality; categorical improvement to automotive-grade headlights & taillights; the innovation of a hollow-bore motor enabling higher-gauge motor cabling as motors & batteries increase; a revolutionary BMS which monitors individual pack health and enables the wheel to remain balancing even with the failure of entire packs. And talking about market impact/relevance, it offers these advancements while still exceeding the speed & range requirements of 95+% of riders, coupled with InMotion's industry-leading production values & safety track record, all while hitting the $2k price point--17 pounds lighter and $850 cheaper than the Sherman. A few years from now, very few EUCs will resemble the Sherman in any meaningful way, but most if not all higher-end wheels will have some combination if not all of: suspension, V11-category lights, hollow-bore motors, and more-sophisticated BMS's--with the V11 and InMotion having paved the way. This is why I believe the V11 is the "wheel of the year" as it carries the first true innovations in EUCs in years--and not as some risky ahead-of-its-time experiment with a mix of rough edges/compromises, but as a truly polished, well-rounded product that's already selling like hotcakes.
  20. I have 5k miles on EUCs, regularly ride in the 26-32 mph range and almost entirely on road (not much for off-roading), and have never fallen (beyond the first two weeks when learning and sometimes having to bail but always landing on my feet--but nothing at all since). My g/f has at least 1k on EUCs, regularly rides 18-24 mph all on road, and also has never fallen (same deal). I also got at least 3 of my friends into riding albeit they're more casuals (using it more just like a bicycle as a way to get from A to B, normally shorter distances and lower speeds), and none of them have fallen. The inevitability of going down is almost entirely dependent on buying the appropriate hardware for your context (your weight, probable riding style, use case/environment, etc) and in particular the decisions you make while riding. I ride a lot of the same routes and know exactly where I can go like a bat out of hell, but I'm also not too proud to slow way, way down and give wide births to others if anything is even slightly sketchy or a route is unknown (pedestrians not paying attention/pets/kids/car driver acting weird/poor visibility/weird road surfaces/weird road transitions/etc/etc). I know we live in an "everything is everybody else's fault" world these days, but I'm a firm believer that you get to decide whether you'll have falls or not by the set of choices you make. I would vote EUC, albeit with certain bounds on "how steep is too steep" or "how wet is too wet", which are a bit hard to quantify. (Although the worst steepness is often mitigatable just by altering route slightly.)
  21. Has the state of basic comprehension & communication plummeted that drastically? "firmware upgrade fucks up bluetooth" "V11 rejects all bluetooth connections from other applications" InMotion updated their software and firmware. This updated software and firmware works together just fine--they didn't "fsck up" bluetooth. Only unofficial and unsupported third-party apps that work by reverse-engineering this relationship between software & firmware were inadvertently broken by this change. The updated firmware isn't "rejecting" those apps' connection--those apps are (/were) simply failing to utilize the new and now proper implementation. InMotion has no obligation to stagnate/not update their software for fear of disrupting such apps--in fact it would be much worse for all of us if they did. Nobody in this instance has done anything wrong--certainly not InMotion--it's just a standard thing that happens all the time between first-party hardware and third-party apps, and which is normally quickly resolved by the third-party app devs as we've already seen by Seba/EUC World. OP should change the topic to something like: "InMotion firmware update inadvertently breaks third-party apps (already fixed by EUC World update)" Edit: the IMU issue when cold is a separate issue which still does not validate/make correct any of the above quotations.
  22. So the pedal cracking on the original V10[F] pedals was generally only a problem for heavier riders and/or those doing a lot of repetitive impact like curb-drops. I have ~2k miles on my V10F with those pedals which I inspect every now and then and it still shows zero signs of stress in the reported problem area. (But I only weigh ~150lbs and my g/f who rides is under 100 lbs.) I have seen zero reports of pedal cracking on the updated/fixed pedals so far. The slippery-when-wet thing is only sort of true. Yes, you have less traction on them when wet, but I've ridden in rain and it's not like you're going to slip right off them in normal riding/you still have some traction even when wet, it's just lessened. But I could see hitting a major bump/pothole when wet and the lesser traction being the difference that caused you to slip off. The addition of a grip tape surface while maintaining the rubber foundation was really a great improvement/solution on the revised pedals. FWIW, the V10[F] pedals are some of the comfiest around, and largely responsible for the V10[F] having one of the best ride qualities of the pre-suspension wheels.
  23. If the InMotion app on *your* phone was connected to the EUC in the background, then that would not only prevent EUC World on your phone from connecting but it would also prevent EUC World on any phone/including your girlfriend's from connecting. So "trying from another phone" does not discount Paradox's proposed situation. The point is that the wheel can only have one active bluetooth connection at a time, and that connection could be taken up by the InMotion app in the background unless you know how to force-close it.
  24. Once they're on the wheel, maybe, but this is forgetting the issue/challenge of new riders having to learn one-footed control which affects starting and stopping. Controlling a heavier wheel with one foot is more difficult and in particular more punishing for a new rider because if they are even slightly 'off' then the weight of the wheel pulls it over/lays it down. This is why I think there's a sweet spot for learning in the V8F/KS-16S/V10F/Tesla range -- bigger & better than the tiny wheels for the reasons you mention, but still well-under 50 lbs at which point I think it poses the issues on the one-footed side of things. (This also depends on rider weight. For me [~150lbs] and my gf [probably under 100lbs], something like the V8F/16S is a 'middle-sized' wheel, whereas the 14" wheels or mten3 are 'small' and the 50+ pound wheels are 'large'. I can see how for a 220lb rider or something like that, the V8F/16S would still be pretty small and something like the V10F @ 45lbs would be the bottom end of 'middle-sized' to them.)
  25. My answer every time this topic comes up: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/16829-im-tired-of-saying-no-not-that-kind-of-unicycle/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-285576
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