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  1. It depends what you mean by "turning". To be clear, all of these wheels can easily turn enough to stay on a mild-to-medium-windy path with no trouble, it's not that they literally resist any turning. It's more about how sharply you can turn and how much you have to slow down to do it. (Whereas on for example on a bicycle if you lean in enough you can take a pretty sharp turn without having to slow down as much. Narrower EUC tires are more like a bicycle in that regard, whereas wider EUC tires require you to slow down more--proportional to the sharpness of the turn.) As to answering your literal question, the answer is probably somewhere in between, and people seem to disagree wildly. I'm not sure if the disagreement is due to differing amounts of acclimatization, or differing riding environments/riding styles, or perhaps a person's size/weight (maybe a lighter person like myself is more subject to gyro effect due to the weight ratio of the wheel to my own body, whereas a heavier person has an easier time counteracting it?), etc.
  2. wowwowwow! What strikes me about the video is actually the lack of 'reverb' from the suspension after the initial, singular compression and rebound--very, very impressive. (This is a difference using something like air shocks versus just springs which would bounce more back and forth.)
  3. Of the wheels I own and/or have ridden extensively: The smaller 16" x ~2/2.1" wheels, like the V8 and KS16S, are both light and extremely agile even at their highest speeds (although which are only ~17/21 mph respectively). The larger 2.5"-wide wheels, like the V10F and KS18XL, are both a bit heavier and so ride like they have a bit more mass (a little slower to speed up and slow down), but still turn pretty great well into the low-to-mid 20s mph. (I haven't really ridden the KS18XL-specifically too close to its max 30 mph.) I have around 500 miles on my 100v Nikola with its ~17" x 3" tire, and I have a love-hate relationship with it. I love the top speed, but I hate most everything else about it, in particular revolving around how it turns/handles (or doesn't, as the case may be). It's great for going fast in a straight line, but it just doesn't fscking want to turn once you get into the mid-20s mph and higher. (So in the teens mph it turns great, but there's some point in the low-to-mid 20s mph where turning just becomes impossible and it's like a light switch, not gradual.) I'm pretty convinced the 3" wide tire is the culprit, as it feels like what everyone complained about the 4.1" Z10. Ultimately, if you want 100v speeds, you're stuck with a 3" tire. But if you're going to stay in the 20s mph or lower, I strongly prefer the 2.5" tire on something like the KS18XL. (So for example while I'd take a 100v Nikola over a (84v) KS18XL due to its speed, otherwise I'd take a (84v) KS18XL over an 84v Nikola any day of the week--specifically due to handling/turning related to so-called "gyro effect".) Some context: I'm 5'9" and ~150 lbs, so a rider who's built differently than me might have a very different experience.
  4. How many miles does one get on an average Tesla compared to the average Toyota Corolla? /rhetorical New technologies often come with compromises/trade-offs.
  5. @Marty Backe: Check out this reply by the official InMotion Global youtube account (in the comments to the launch video): So maybe they're changing their tune on interaction with youtubers? It might be worth a shot to reach out to them again (and citing that public comment).
  6. FUD. It was stated that the app will let you diagnose which pack is malfunctioning, so if the BMS is capable of determining on that level then the wheel itself could and almost-certainly will give you audible alarms (just like it does for overheat/overvoltage/etc). I think a large number of mysterious cut-outs/perceived overleans may be due to a minorly-dodgy cell/pack which has gone undiagnosed which compromises the max power/lowers its failure threshold. More data on this front (from people being able to check individual pack health in the app, both in general but in particular after an accident) can only be a good thing.
  7. I just saw on their youtube InMotion confirmed this uses 21700 cells, which I believe then makes this the first 84v wheel using 21700 cells? (I believe all of the other Gotway wheels using 21700 cells were 100v.) Based on the diagram then it looks like 20s4p or 80x21700. Does that make any sense/look right?
  8. All the current 16x3" wheels are really 17.25" in diameter. Meanwhile the Z10 was stated as 18x4.1" and is really 17.5" in diameter. With this being advertised as 18x3" it could very well be in the same 17.25-17.5" ballpark as those others--in fact it likely is. By contrast the KS18XL is 18.5x2.5" and the MSX is not-quite-19.5"x3". (These measurements were all by Marty Backe--which aside of the methodology used, should at least be internally consistent in order to provide gross relative comparisons.)
  9. Kudos to InMotion for all of: the technical innovation, the wheel's aesthetics, and the launch event. I think it looks stunning and am super curious and absolutely stoked to see it in action and eventually be able to try it. Not seeing any mention here of arguably the single-most-significant advancement introduced--a BMS system which lets you diagnose individual pack health from the app, and which allows a whole pack to fail while still operating using the remaining pack(s)! These are safety features the likes of which have never been seen (and which should likely trickle down to other, cheaper wheels). With all the discussion over the past couple years about motor power/torque/software-algorithm-tuning/pedal-responsiveness/etc, it is obvious that simple motor wattage numbers are not sufficient to capture the 'power' of a wheel. With them claiming "50% more [motor] power" with more/bigger magnets and double the mosfets (even though the motor is still rated at 2000W) I am extremely curious to hear impressions from riders about the overall power/torque/feel. It's also important to remember this was billed as an off-roading wheel, where suspension and torque are more important than top speed (the kinds of environments where you would want/need suspension most and those where you would want to go over 30 mph are diametrically opposite use cases). Given that InMotion has achieved IP55+ ratings on all their wheels, presumably this will be the world's first 31 mph wheel with an IP55+ rating/the current fastest IP55+ rated wheel on the market. Happy to see improved lights and particularly love the tail-light which coupled with the wheel's shape (higher and squarer at the top) is almost-certainly the best tail-light we've seen so far. Carrying handle, trolley handle, stand, and dual charging-ports all look great. Based on the diagram this looks like it could potentially have the best active-cooling of any wheel so far (which everyone knows has been pretty rubbish on pretty much all EUCs up to this point.) Curious what the 18"x3" tire actually measures in diameter. (Is it closer to a Nikola/16X/Z10 or 18XL?--I would guess the former.) People here criticizing the launch event--seriously? When was the last time Gotway or King Song did a publicly accessible launch event in English with any detail? (We normally have to learn about their launches via obscure forum posts and what shows up on vendor websites with conflicting spec listings.) We should be applauding the effort and holding the other manufacturers to at least the same standard first.
  10. Leaving aside practicality (where as you say, EUCs win hands down), then the primary comparison is not [carving on esk8] vs [carving on EUCs], but rather [carving on esk8] vs [the sensation of floating on EUCs as an extension of your body]. With esk8, you ride it by performing the skill of staying on the board, whereas with EUCs, the wheel follows you on an intuitive level. This is the thing people try to capture when they describe the sensation as "floating"--it's not simply the cushiness of the large, air-inflated tire (although that's part of it), but rather I believe it's primarily the experience of just 'willing' your body to move forward, with nothing but the most intuitive and almost-imperceptible slight movement in your upper body like when just about to start walking, except before your legs would have to do anything/without taking a single step you start moving forward completely effortlessly instead--as if the machine anticipates your intent and does the work for you. This is a whole other level of a vehicle becoming an extension of your body which cannot be matched by any category that came before. So does carving on an EUC compare with carving on esk8?--not quite (although it does to some degree; and if this matters to you a ton I personally would advise a 2.5"-width-or-narrower tire). But then does riding an esk8 board compare at all to the sensation of floating on an EUC--not even close. There's a reason--above and beyond the practicality side--why the majority of those who spend a fair amount of time on both, eventually wind up committing to the EUC side.
  11. No hate, I promise. :-) Just extreme weariness at how a vocal swath of the enthusiast community (which unfortunately includes several higher-profile youtubers) continue to downplay InMotion at every opportunity. I used to try to give the benefit of the doubt to these people--"they're just preoccupied by their own context and can't be bothered to consider the broader range of users/use cases"--but observing their reactions to the possibility of a new, higher-speed and higher-range InMotion wheel (between indifference/skepticism/denunciation, when you'd think they'd be saying "finally" and show some curiosity/interest) has been a bit revealing (and not in a good way, frankly). Here's to new, exciting developments in the industry. Here's hoping InMotion pushes themselves while keeping their quality bar. Here's hoping Ninebot returns from being MIA the past couple years. Here's hoping Iron Korea comes out of the gate swinging with the Iron-101. Here's hoping King Song gets over their latest few technical trip-ups and back to being the 'Samsung' of EUCs. And yes, here's hoping Gotway finally hires one competent electrical engineer and someone who knows anything at all about hardware QA. ;-) Bring it on. My body and wallet are ready. :-)
  12. We likewise don't have any evidence Gotway understands basic electrical engineering or hardware QA, but you still give every one of their new duds a chance until several revisions later when they finally fix them/make them worth owning, only to turn around and make the same mistakes one or two wheels/revisions later. (#gluegate #mosfetgate #latest-bad-firmware-requiring-board-replacement-gate #slower-mspro-gate, ad nauseum) How about some encouragement towards the brand which already has better production values than most, when they finally say they're making an effort to make a higher power, higher range wheel for enthusiasts which should be exactly what you/we want. Who knows if they'll get there all the way on their first attempt to push things, but surely it warrants something better than the inexplicable skepticism/shade you keep throwing at them. The juxtaposition in benefit of the doubt you give to a proven-poor manufacturer just because they make high specs, compared to the skepticism you give to a proven-better manufacturer just because they make more conservative specs, is frankly bizarre, especially from someone that claims they mostly cruise in the mid 20s anyway. Honestly we have at least as much of a, if not a better, chance of InMotion making higher speed/range wheels than we have of Gotway getting better at production/QA any time soon. I could understand either blanket skepticism towards the general state of Chinese EUC manufacturers, or blanket optimism just because EUCs are awesome and it's an exciting time, I just don't understand asymmetry in these attitudes towards the prospect of new wheels from different manufacturers. Me I'm just excited for what's next and to see each manufacturer acknowledge and push towards improving their weaknesses (which it appears IM might finally be doing).
  13. MB: Whatever happened to "you can't go wrong with any of these wheels by this point"? =/ ..."not [even] worth considering [at all]"?--you have to be kidding me. OP: For a contrary opinion to this, I haven't ridden the 16X but I have the 100v Nikola (with ~500 miles on it) with similar 3"-wide tire, and I'd still take/recommend an 18XL over an 84v Nikola (or any similar 3"-wide-tire wheel) for speeds under 30 mph, any day of the week without hesitation. It's my opinion the KS18XL is still the best-handling all-around 84v/under-30-mph wheel. (Leaving aside discussion of 100v wheels.) I'm not saying this to start an argument or ask anyone to agree with me, but simply as a counterpoint to his perplexing outright dismissal of one of the best and most popular wheels of the past several years. The 18XL is certainly still a very worthwhile contender, and I would encourage anyone to definitely try to find an opportunity to ride some of these wheels to feel the difference for yourself because it's pretty drastic.
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