Gotway Monster Pro

[Beekersguy]

 

[Planemo]

I knew I'd seen those new gotway lights somewhere...

Maybe it's a collaboration we don't yet know about...the MercWay…

 

Edit: Pic removed - having a cull of my uploads to retrieve space.

Edited March 4, 2022 by Planemo

[Kekafuch]

Monster Pro video with some internal shots... the control board is above the battery and there’s now equal weight distribution side to side. 
 

 

[meepmeepmayer]

It's huge!

Those two red dots on the top back side... are they lights, too?

[Rudy Sijnke]

4 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

It's huge!

Those two red dots on the top back side... are they lights, too?

Speakers🙂

[Fuerte]

Where are the reviews? Come on EVx! Don’t let a little snow slow you down.

[Mrd777]

I’m “pretty sure” the couple of mp24’s we have seen in the wild are pre-production. Begode has ceased work on all hollow motor wheels (for a few weeks) to get a better understanding on the bearing failure problem. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Mrd777

[EUC Addict]

I know of at least 7 production Monster Pros. Six of which are in the States and another in the UK.

[Mrd777]

1 hour ago, EUC Addict said:

I know of at least 7 production Monster Pros. Six of which are in the States and another in the UK.

Nonetheless, production has halted for a couple of weeks to sort out the bearing issue.

[houseofjob]

4 hours ago, EUC Addict said:

I know of at least 7 production Monster Pros. Six of which are in the States and another in the UK.

4 hours ago, Mrd777 said:

I’m “pretty sure” the couple of mp24’s we have seen in the wild are pre-production. Begode has ceased work on all hollow motor wheels (for a few weeks) to get a better understanding on the bearing failure problem. 

With BeJesus and Vet, pre-production is production if pre-production is production is..... 

 

Thanks to @evX_Mick for the tryout of the 24Pro, further validating my decision not to buy this wheel, despite me being the biggest fan of large format EUCs (honestly, I'm waiting for something bigger than this *cough* Veteran @Linnea Veteran *cough*)

If you're truly a fan of the original Monster and not afraid of a little pedal "dip", considering it more advantageous tool than defect, then the 24 "Monster Pro" is only alike to the Monster in name only, not in ride feel. Like the Ex, the 24Pro rides hella stiff, no swing pedal travel at all on soft mode. It's maybe a hair less stiff than the Ex, which makes sense given the non-torque tuning, but both remind me of trying to accelerate from rest with a pickup truck stuck on gear 1. Everyone screams more torque torque torque with these higher power motors, but I don't think guys realize you can go the other way with that. If you like fast acceleration on flats like I do, you don't want something tuned with maximum torque, because you get this shamooo of a wheel, like you're trying to lean as if you're running a sprint with cement bricks on.

 

But I'm sure the pad huggers are gonna love this wheel. I look forward to beating them by a mile off the start line with my true soft mode Vet  (or even OG Monster Gotway soft mode ). Thank God I didn't pre-emptive sell my v2 Monster like I did back in the day with my v1.

 

addendum1: Oh, also, minus the gyroscopic response of the mode lean feel, the tire itself doesn't really feel all that different from being on the 22" Monster, again confirming my feeling that picking 24 at a similar width as the OG Monster doesn't take it far enough. And for those curious, the tire they'r using on the 24Pro pumped to max is a harder consistency rubber than say the stock MSX tire, which I prefer for the acceleration performance, but others might not

addendum2: I also really am growing to appreciate how much more solid the Vet feels over this 24Pro and other BeJesus wheels. Though BeJesus has improved, leveraging the wheel on leans, it still feels very rickety, with the usual plastic creaks, whereas the Vet taken to task doesn't feel like you're riding a rickety plastic box.

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by houseofjob

[Ben Kim]

3 hours ago, houseofjob said:

With BeJesus and Vet, pre-production is production if pre-production is production is..... 

 

Thanks to @evX_Mick for the tryout of the 24Pro, further validating my decision not to buy this wheel, despite me being the biggest fan of large format EUCs (honestly, I'm waiting for something bigger than this *cough* Veteran @Linnea Veteran *cough*)

If you're truly a fan of the original Monster and not afraid of a little pedal "dip", considering it more advantageous tool than defect, then the 24 "Monster Pro" is only alike to the Monster in name only, not in ride feel. Like the Ex, the 24Pro rides hella stiff, no swing pedal travel at all on soft mode. It's maybe a hair less stiff than the Ex, which makes sense given the non-torque tuning, but both remind me of trying to accelerate from rest with a pickup truck stuck on gear 1. Everyone screams more torque torque torque with these higher power motors, but I don't think guys realize you can go the other way with that. If you like fast acceleration on flats like I do, you don't want something tuned with maximum torque, because you get this shamooo of a wheel, like you're trying to lean as if you're running a sprint with cement bricks on.

 

But I'm sure the pad huggers are gonna love this wheel. I look forward to beating them by a mile off the start line with my true soft mode Vet  (or even OG Monster Gotway soft mode ). Thank God I didn't pre-emptive sell my v2 Monster like I did back in the day with my v1.

 

addendum1: Oh, also, minus the gyroscopic response of the mode lean feel, the tire itself doesn't really feel all that different from being on the 22" Monster, again confirming my feeling that picking 24 at a similar width as the OG Monster doesn't take it far enough. And for those curious, the tire they'r using on the 24Pro pumped to max is a harder consistency rubber than say the stock MSX tire, which I prefer for the acceleration performance, but others might not

addendum2: I also really am growing to appreciate how much more solid the Vet feels over this 24Pro and other BeJesus wheels. Though BeJesus has improved, leveraging the wheel on leans, it still feels very rickety, with the usual plastic creaks, whereas the Vet taken to task doesn't feel like you're riding a rickety plastic box.

 

@Hsiang dream wheel! 

Spot on, although I didn’t find it as much a detriment as you did. Best way to describe this wheel for me is a jumbo sized MSX; if you like the MSX/RS you’ll love this wheel. 

I hope they use this 3 week production delay and tweak soft mode for comfort as this wheel is meant for the street not off-road. 

And yes, Sheman is the best wheel I ever owned, still brings me great joy to keep up with cars on 45 mph roads in Long Island. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Ben Kim

[Scottie888]

Holllyyyy I had no idea of how huge the MP24 is until I saw @Afeez Kay vid pic in direct size comparo with M3. Are we getting to the practical limits of wheel size at least interms of form?

Otherwise, ebikes will be might be as valid a choice as a commuter/rec PEV & arguably, perhaps with more real world practicality on terrains, weather, etc & last but not least, ease of learning. Plus there'd be much many alot more choices. IMO ofcos 

[Mrd777]

20 hours ago, houseofjob said:

With BeJesus and Vet, pre-production is production if pre-production is production is..... 

 

Thanks to @evX_Mick for the tryout of the 24Pro, further validating my decision not to buy this wheel, despite me being the biggest fan of large format EUCs (honestly, I'm waiting for something bigger than this *cough* Veteran @Linnea Veteran *cough*)

If you're truly a fan of the original Monster and not afraid of a little pedal "dip", considering it more advantageous tool than defect, then the 24 "Monster Pro" is only alike to the Monster in name only, not in ride feel. Like the Ex, the 24Pro rides hella stiff, no swing pedal travel at all on soft mode. It's maybe a hair less stiff than the Ex, which makes sense given the non-torque tuning, but both remind me of trying to accelerate from rest with a pickup truck stuck on gear 1. Everyone screams more torque torque torque with these higher power motors, but I don't think guys realize you can go the other way with that. If you like fast acceleration on flats like I do, you don't want something tuned with maximum torque, because you get this shamooo of a wheel, like you're trying to lean as if you're running a sprint with cement bricks on.

 

But I'm sure the pad huggers are gonna love this wheel. I look forward to beating them by a mile off the start line with my true soft mode Vet  (or even OG Monster Gotway soft mode ). Thank God I didn't pre-emptive sell my v2 Monster like I did back in the day with my v1.

 

addendum1: Oh, also, minus the gyroscopic response of the mode lean feel, the tire itself doesn't really feel all that different from being on the 22" Monster, again confirming my feeling that picking 24 at a similar width as the OG Monster doesn't take it far enough. And for those curious, the tire they'r using on the 24Pro pumped to max is a harder consistency rubber than say the stock MSX tire, which I prefer for the acceleration performance, but others might not

addendum2: I also really am growing to appreciate how much more solid the Vet feels over this 24Pro and other BeJesus wheels. Though BeJesus has improved, leveraging the wheel on leans, it still feels very rickety, with the usual plastic creaks, whereas the Vet taken to task doesn't feel like you're riding a rickety plastic box.

 

A review with some action with Chris!

 

[Ben Kim]

5 hours ago, Mrd777 said:

A review with some action with Chris!

 

haha, "it's like riding a bear" Gotta love grumpycat @houseofjob I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with evX assessment this wheel is for Monster lovers because it rides nothing like the old Monster.  I would say this wheel as-is appeals to heavy riders, slow range guys, MSX guys looking into riding a wheel with a larger tire, but certainly NOT original Monster lovers or anyone who already owns a Veteran Sherman.  Like I said earlier, it rides more like an MSX than a Monster, whereas the Sherman rides more like a baby Monster.  

[Marty Backe]

History Question

Does anyone remember how exactly the Monster was named? Originally it was only known as the 22-inch MSuper, up through October. By the beginning of November 2016 Gotway was officially referring to it as the Monster.

I remember Gotway asked the community what it should be called. What I can't remember was if this was via a poll where one of the Gotway suggestions was Monster or did a community member suggest Monster? I'm pretty sure it happened here but I can't find anything.

Any of you old-timers remember?

[AtlasP]

How much of this truly is "tuning"/"hollow-bore vs non"/etc that everyone keeps talking about, versus actually just being physics? (Leaving aside pedal stiffness which of course is a firmware tuning decision.) The Monster Pro is the heaviest, largest diameter EUC ever made--over 20-25 pounds *heavier* than even the previous Monster! In the same way that the Sherman doesn't have the best 0-30 mph but people ride it for top speed, weight distribution & stability at speed, range, etc--isn't an even larger, heavier EUC like the Monster inevitably doomed to have an even worse 0-30, etc? Barring a major technological breakthrough like for example lighter batteries that would help offset the weight of these beasts. Or to put it in reverse, in what universe could we hope to make such a large & heavy EUC have the performance of wheels 20-25+ pounds lighter without some kind of advance in the underlying tech?

Edited December 19, 2020 by AtlasP

[Ben Kim]

2 hours ago, AtlasP said:

How much of this truly is "tuning"/"hollow-bore vs non"/etc that everyone keeps talking about, versus actually just being physics? (Leaving aside pedal stiffness which of course is a firmware tuning decision.) The Monster Pro is the heaviest, largest diameter EUC ever made--over 20-25 pounds *heavier* than even the previous Monster! In the same way that the Sherman doesn't have the best 0-30 mph but people ride it for top speed, weight distribution & stability at speed, range, etc--isn't an even larger, heavier EUC like the Monster inevitably doomed to have an even worse 0-30, etc? Barring a major technological breakthrough like for example lighter batteries that would help offset the weight of these beasts. Or to put it in reverse, in what universe could we hope to make such a large & heavy EUC have the performance of wheels 20-25+ pounds lighter without some kind of advance in the underlying tech?

it’s not as hard as you think, it’s as simple as they need to make the tilt angle more sensitive (or allow for more pedal dip) so it can pour more current into the motor, as it stands it takes a LOT of force to feed the Mpro the current it needs to “go fast”. Manageable, but exhausting. 

[houseofjob]

4 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

History Question

Does anyone remember how exactly the Monster was named? Originally it was only known as the 22-inch MSuper, up through October. By the beginning of November 2016 Gotway was officially referring to it as the Monster.

I remember Gotway asked the community what it should be called. What I can't remember was if this was via a poll where one of the Gotway suggestions was Monster or did a community member suggest Monster? I'm pretty sure it happened here but I can't find anything.

Any of you old-timers remember?

Someone can correct me here, but I'm pretty sure I recall that riders back then were frustrated by Gotway naming their wheels in mysterious BMW-sounding acronyms, so the Monster moniker was one of the suggestions for wheel names on here or FB, either prior or upon release.

I do 100% remember the v1 Monster coming out a month before international in China, and their name on many leaked videos for it was Titan, not Monster.

[Marty Backe]

4 hours ago, houseofjob said:

Someone can correct me here, but I'm pretty sure I recall that riders back then were frustrated by Gotway naming their wheels in mysterious BMW-sounding acronyms, so the Monster moniker was one of the suggestions for wheel names on here or FB, either prior or upon release.

I do 100% remember the v1 Monster coming out a month before international in China, and their name on many leaked videos for it was Titan, not Monster.

I don't think it was Facebook because I was barely active there at the time. @Jane Mofirst referred to it as the Monster here, on Nov 3rd 2016. In October I can't find references to it. It went into full production first week in December.

[houseofjob]

6 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I don't think it was Facebook because I was barely active there at the time. @Jane Mofirst referred to it as the Monster here, on Nov 3rd 2016. In October I can't find references to it. It went into full production first week in December.

They've always been more active on FB (barely). This Jane Mo FB post pre-dates your Nov 3rd date by about 2 weeks:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GotWay/permalink/1228436687214651/

The name polling I referred to wasn't specifically regarding the Monster 22", it was Gotway in general. Unfortunately, FB search sucks, gonna be really hard to find that post if it was actually there that I saw.

[z3n]

13 hours ago, houseofjob said:

Someone can correct me here, but I'm pretty sure I recall that riders back then were frustrated by Gotway naming their wheels in mysterious BMW-sounding acronyms, so the Monster moniker was one of the suggestions for wheel names on here or FB, either prior or upon release.

I do 100% remember the v1 Monster coming out a month before international in China, and their name on many leaked videos for it was Titan, not Monster.

As a matter of fact, it is still called Titan in China.

[Ronin Ryder]

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Ronin Ryder

[meepmeepmayer]

Vee's (@Cutiyo) latest review video has great information on the Gotway bearing issues and why they paused production for three weeks (!!!). With a (horror) video from the Begode/Gotway factory. Watch and weep (time-coded at 8:01). Warning, only for those who not easily despair

[Yvan]

I believe that this type of power pad is not suitable for this size of wheel.  The front and rear supports should be farther apart to allow more forward and backward swinging motion.

[Simply_Striking]

On 12/19/2020 at 6:49 PM, Ben Kim said:

it’s not as hard as you think, it’s as simple as they need to make the tilt angle more sensitive (or allow for more pedal dip) so it can pour more current into the motor, as it stands it takes a LOT of force to feed the Mpro the current it needs to “go fast”. Manageable, but exhausting. 

Exactly this, I learned to ride on an RS19 I recently was able to try another wheel for the 1st time the 16x. The 16x pedals felt way looser and had more floatiness to them better enabling me to actually leverage, and it is by no means feel like an underpowered wheel. I have  a feeling gotway just applies a blank ride feel to all their wheels without any consideration to wheel size or motor power...