EMA Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, erk1024 said: There's another thing to consider and that is with a larger diameter wheel, you're less likely to get a "death wobble" like Kuji experienced going fast on the Sherman (with the street tire). This wheel should have more stability. But people say the Sherman is remarkably stable (esp with the off-road tire) so who knows? But TBH, going that fast on an EUC doesn't seems like a great idea. there's no match in stability between a 24' and a 20' wheel, not even comparable, even the actual 22' monster overkill any other wheel on this point. 60km/h on the monster is like 50km/h on msp and similar (but you probably know becouse you have one ) BTW 24inch is godlike Edited August 11, 2020 by EMA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seage Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I cant wait for your beta tes- early adopters to get the wheel! I just purchased a monster V3 (still waiting on gotway for 3 months to send it, lol) after waiting quite some time, for them to refine it and all that nonsense. Im going to do the same here. Gonna keep my Monster in good condition and wait and see what happens with the pro. Its gonna be crazy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted August 11, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Nick McCutcheon said: LIFT SPEED OF 106kmh!! I may have to cancel my Sherman preorder, as the only reason I'm getting it is for the speed. I briefly looked at the EX, but the new spec release of an 86kmh lift speed left me a little disappointed, as I'm not after torque so much. The Sherman has a similar lift speed to this Monster Pro, but its alarm begins at 70% power instead of GW's 80%, so I imagine it would be difficult to discern how far you are into the "danger zone". I always respect the beep on my MSX100v and have thus never had a high speed cutout, but this speed is often 39-40mph for me at 100% even though I know I can "safely" push it to 45-46 before I'll begin to enter the cutout zone. Hopefully the Monster Pro will start beeping at those higher speeds! Or maybe I should just learn to read the wheel and watch out for pedal dip at higher speeds like some other riders have mastered... Keep in mind that the Sherman rides closer to a MSX type wheel. The Monster Pro is going to be huge which may limit your desire to use it in various conditions (trails?) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post erk1024 Posted August 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, EMA said: there's no match in stability between a 24' and a 20' wheel, not even comparable, even the actual 22' monster overkill any other wheel on this point. 60km/h on the monster is like 50km/h on msp and similar I completely agree. Just to clear up some confusing discrepancies in measurements. Sherman, MSP, MSX ... are traditionally called 18" wheels, but the outer diameter when you get a tire installed is 19.5" or 20" with the Sherman's off-road tire. Monster V1 - V3 is called a 22" wheel, but the outer diameter of the tire is actually 23.2" Monster Pro - called a 24" wheel and it's outer diameter is 24" Using outer diameter, we get: Sherman, MSP, MSX - 19.5" (road), 20" (off-road w Kenda tire) Monster - 23.2" Monster Pro - 24" The roadworthiness and stability of the Monster Pro should be pretty awesome. And with almost twice the power as the V3 (on paper) it should have reasonably good torque. (Motor torque is reduced linearly by the radius which is only increasing by less than half an inch, but power is almost double.) Won't know until we get a chance to try one out, of course. Edited August 11, 2020 by erk1024 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick McCutcheon Posted August 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Keep in mind that the Sherman rides closer to a MSX type wheel. The Monster Pro is going to be huge which may limit your desire to use it in various conditions (trails?) There's no way I can sell my MSX at this point, it's just too much fun and I can use it for so much. It's currently my "get places fast" wheel as well, but I'm feeling limited by the speed and small range that comes with that speed. Either the Monster Pro or the Sherman will be my main "car replacement" vehicle, and the MSX will be another wheel in the stable for shorter trips or trails. Edited August 12, 2020 by Nick McCutcheon 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/11/2020 at 10:08 AM, erk1024 said: There's another thing to consider and that is with a larger diameter wheel, you're less likely to get a "death wobble" like Kuji experienced going fast on the Sherman (with the street tire). This wheel should have more stability. But people say the Sherman is remarkably stable (esp with the off-road tire) so who knows? But TBH, going that fast on an EUC doesn't seems like a great idea. Zero stability issues on the Sherman even speeds north of 40 mph with the off-road. I’m not a particularly skilled rider or anything but it’s so easy and effortless to push it and push hard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 6/1/2020 at 7:57 PM, Marty Backe said: Maybe Gotway should call it Godzilla (hey, they asked our opinion about the Monster and took our suggested name). EDIT: And here it is ... Marketing fail if they haven’t already renamed it Godzilla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 ....or King Ghidorah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eve Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 how likely is it that moster pro can go as fast as Sherman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrd777 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, eve said: how likely is it that moster pro can go as fast as Sherman? It has a free load speed of 106 km/h ... so I assume it will go the same speed. I’m hoping it has faster acceleration. Gotway obviously put this out to compete with the Sherman, so I expect it to be the King. ( and I’m not referring to Kingsong). I believe it’s currently in production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eve Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 @Mrd777 Yeah my exact thoughts. Aside from the competing part. I dont think theyre in the same category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Mrd777 said: It has a free load speed of 106 km/h ... so I assume it will go the same speed. I’m hoping it has faster acceleration. Gotway obviously put this out to compete with the Sherman, so I expect it to be the King. ( and I’m not referring to Kingsong). I believe it’s currently in production. I didn’t see this as a direct competitor to The Veteran... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvan Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 We can always compare. But for GMP a free speed of 106 klm / h is higher than the sherman. A 3500 watt motor is much better than the Sherman. A 24 inch wheel is more stable than Sherman. A 3600 watt hour battery is always more than a sherman. 😉 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ben Kim Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Yvan said: We can always compare. But for GMP a free speed of 106 klm / h is higher than the sherman. A 3500 watt motor is much better than the Sherman. A 24 inch wheel is more stable than Sherman. A 3600 watt hour battery is always more than a sherman. 😉 1. Sherman’s have a 107 kmh no load speed. 2. 3500W is nominal rating, the power level the motor can run indefinitely, not an indicator of how fast it is, see #4 for more detail 3. 2.75” vs 3”, but likely true. 4. 3600Wh with only 8p, hence will have more voltage sag, and lower sustained power output than the Veteran Sherman (7.3A *8 vs 10A *10). Not to mention, Gotways are dead at 3.3V vs 3.1V on Veteran, so in terms of “more range” I would argue the difference will be of the 3-5 mile variety. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GothamMike Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 Gotway needs to improve durability. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, GothamMike said: Gotway needs to improve durability. Some of their wheels are pretty durable actually, Nikola is a tank, the Mten3 and MCM5 can also take a hit. It's the larger more popular wheels (mSuper, Monster) that split on impact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryon01 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Ben Kim said: 1. Sherman’s have a 107 kmh no load speed. 2. 3500W is nominal rating, the power level the motor can run indefinitely, not an indicator of how fast it is, see #4 for more detail 3. 2.75” vs 3”, but likely true. 4. 3600Wh with only 8p, hence will have more voltage sag, and lower sustained power output than the Veteran Sherman (7.3A *8 vs 10A *10). Not to mention, Gotways are dead at 3.3V vs 3.1V on Veteran, so in terms of “more range” I would argue the difference will be of the 3-5 mile variety. Voltage sag is a function of ESR of the batteries. If you look at the ESR or a 21700 cell in 8p, versus 18650 cell in 10p, you'd see the resistance, and hence sag, is lower in the 21700. The cells themselves have lots more surface area in them. In general, you can barely compare 2 cells of the same size like you did as they are highly dependent on other choices that relate to capacity, much less cells of differing sizes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, GothamMike said: Gotway needs to improve durability. GotWay just needs to improve, period!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 recent msx/msp shell do take a hit, a lot actually, if you're able to split a shell in 2020 you've probably crashed at 40mph (i don't see this kind of use with others wheels ... ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 10 hours ago, bryon01 said: Voltage sag is a function of ESR of the batteries. If you look at the ESR or a 21700 cell in 8p, versus 18650 cell in 10p, you'd see the resistance, and hence sag, is lower in the 21700. The cells themselves have lots more surface area in them. In general, you can barely compare 2 cells of the same size like you did as they are highly dependent on other choices that relate to capacity, much less cells of differing sizes. You fail to mention lower resistance is if you are comparing a single cell to a single cell. If you compared resistance of an 18650 pack to a 21700 pack with equivalent Wh, you’d see the difference is significantly less. Now when you compare the internal resistance of a single daisy-chained 8p 21700 pack like Gotway historically does to the 2x 5p setup of a Veteran, the Veteran will have lower overall resistance than the Monster Pro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, EMA said: recent msx/msp shell do take a hit Nah, it's still the same construction that MSuper's have been since MSV3. Our locals have blown MSP shells apart on two separate occasions in the last month from crashes at ~25mph. Wrap it in pads, then it can really take a beating. Edited August 31, 2020 by RagingGrandpa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippoPig Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 hours ago, EMA said: recent msx/msp shell do take a hit, a lot actually, if you're able to split a shell in 2020 you've probably crashed at 40mph (i don't see this kind of use with others wheels ... ) Mine is rock solid (2018) I’ve had to replace pedals and pins but the shell is basically as it was when I bought it (not quite seamlessly together - but not a gap that I’m concerned about). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shura Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 4:52 PM, fbhb said: GotWay just needs to improve, period!!! Hi fbhb, I had sent you my mobile number to your inbox. Can you please call me. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryon01 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 9:35 AM, Ben Kim said: You fail to mention lower resistance is if you are comparing a single cell to a single cell. If you compared resistance of an 18650 pack to a 21700 pack with equivalent Wh, you’d see the difference is significantly less. Now when you compare the internal resistance of a single daisy-chained 8p 21700 pack like Gotway historically does to the 2x 5p setup of a Veteran, the Veteran will have lower overall resistance than the Monster Pro. Pretty sure I directly stated you are incorrect and used the terms 8p and 10p. Still true that you are incorrect. I have an excess of battery data in my head from my day job. I don't intend to do your homework for you though as you can easily dig up the data online and prove this to yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beekersguy Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) How accurate do you believe the 106 kph lift speed to be? Wouldn't that put top speed a tick below 55 mph? Edited September 8, 2020 by Beekersguy changed above to below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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