Popular Post em1barns Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, Bobwheel said: It's all about money. You may know we are using the same handle of V5 for V10, and because V10 is much heavier than V5, so the problem get amplified. We found out this problem couples of months ago, but we were not sure how big the market would be, and we hesitated to make a new mould which will cost lots of money. When you spoil people, they get used to it . Hope this model turns into a commercial success for you, so you can keep the competition healthy and alert. I ordered mine on April 3rd (full deposit, no refund), so you still have some believers . I like your mix of engineering and design touch, so keep up the good work! Your greater involvement with the community is also something great to see. 2018 is definitely going to be an exciting year for EUC, with all big 4 vendors releasing their new high-end models. Hopefully the rider base is extending fast enough so they can all get successful enough to continue investment and innovation. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 hours ago, trya said: Inmotion V10F disassembly and internals (pre-production model) - from @EcoDrift https://ecodrift.ru/wiki/monokolesa/predseriynyy_inmotion_v10f_ne_kataemsya_a_izuchaem_ustroystvo/ Looks very well built! Love the gasket under the handle and the general "closedness". And if I ever need a wheel for drug running, I'm going to get the V10 5 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Great set of pictures. Among other things I learned that it has a fuse just like the KingSong wheels. 30-amp (KS uses a 40-amp). And it's just as inaccessible as the older KS wheels too . Is this a joke/preproduction number? This instantly makes the V10(F) go from potential mountain powerhouse to... well, not so much that. Why not 40A (it has a 4P battery after all) or 60A or some better number? Maybe I'm expecting too much? Marty, consider wearing your full face helmet when you test it on your hill of death, in case you join @Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"'s club. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MacPara Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Looks very well built! Love the gasket under the handle and the general "closedness". And if I ever need a wheel for drug running, I'm going to get the V10 Is this a joke/preproduction number? This instantly makes the V10(F) go from potential mountain powerhouse to... well, not so much that. Why not 40A (it has a 4P battery after all) or 60A or some better number? Maybe I'm expecting too much? Marty, consider wearing your full face helmet when you test it on your hill of death, in case you join @Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"'s club. Higher voltage requires less current to reach a certain level of power. It also causes less loss in cable runs due to the lower current. 30A @ 84V will be just fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Looks very well built! Love the gasket under the handle and the general "closedness". And if I ever need a wheel for drug running, I'm going to get the V10 Is this a joke/preproduction number? This instantly makes the V10(F) go from potential mountain powerhouse to... well, not so much that. Why not 40A (it has a 4P battery after all) or 60A or some better number? Maybe I'm expecting too much? Marty, consider wearing your full face helmet when you test it on your hill of death, in case you join @Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"'s club. The 84*30 = 2520W should be enough for the announced 2000W nominal. But just not too much room for peak power.... Regarding the 30A having to pass all the internal resistances (battery, mosfets, coils) the announced 2kW could also be quite the peak power? Or the fuse is very very very slow-blow/time lag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trya Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 from @EcoDrift new pedals: the rubber can be detached, but there are no screws 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Chriull said: The 84*30 = 2520W should be enough for the announced 2000W nominal. But just not too much room for peak power.... Regarding the 30A having to pass all the internal resistances (battery, mosfets, coils) the announced 2kW could also be quite the peak power? Or the fuse is very very very slow-blow/time lag. After just completing my 2-hour mountain stress test, I can say that the wheel does manage to overheat instead of blowing a fuse Details will be in the other thread. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, trya said: from @EcoDrift new pedals: the rubber can be detached, but there are no screws After completing my mountain stress test, I can say that I love the pedals but dislike the rubber very much. If it were my wheel or I got one, the first thing that I would do is rip off the rubber and install something with grip tape. I can't speak to slipperiness when wet (I live in Southern California ), but when riding rough mountainous trials, I was fighting to keep my feet on the pedals sometimes. I had one good fall because of this and a few near misses. It's all on video to be posted in my Tribulations thread. Edited April 20, 2018 by Marty Backe 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatcat Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: After completing my mountain stress test, I can say that I love the pedals but dislike the rubber very much. If it were my wheel or I got one, the first thing that I would do is rip off the rubber and install something with grip tape. I can't speak to slipperiness when wet (I live in Southern California ), but when riding rough mountainous trials, I was fighting to keep my feet on the pedals sometimes. I had one good fall because of this and a few near misses. It's all on video to be posted in my Tribulations thread. Same dumb idea as on the gt16. I’m using screw in studs to make sure i have grip. Grip tape works too, but rubber isn’t really the best material to keep them glued on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: After completing my mountain stress test, I can say that I love the pedals but dislike the rubber very much. If it were my wheel or I got one, the first thing that I would do is rip off the rubber and install something with grip tape. I can't speak to slipperiness when wet (I live in Southern California ), but when riding rough mountainous trials, I was fighting to keep my feet on the pedals sometimes. I had one good fall because of this and a few near misses. It's all on video to be posted in my Tribulations thread. In one of the range test live streams that @Jeffrey Scott Will did I asked about the rubber and slipperiness when wet. He said he hadn't ridden it in the rain but also added that he would look into the option of offering a conversion option for grip tape. Jeffrey? @Bobwheel? Any plans to make this an option for those who dislike the rubber? A swappable insert of some kind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Scott Will Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, WARPed1701D said: In one of the range test live streams that @Jeffrey Scott Will did I asked about the rubber and slipperiness when wet. He said he hadn't ridden it in the rain but also added that he would look into the option of offering a conversion option for grip tape. Jeffrey? @Bobwheel? Any plans to make this an option for those who dislike the rubber? A swappable insert of some kind? I don't believe it's in active development - it's just something I noticed could be a possibility considering how the rubber is like an insert that one could easily replace. I would personally love to see it! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Scatcat said: Same dumb idea as on the gt16. I’m using screw in studs to make sure i have grip. Grip tape works too, but rubber isn’t really the best material to keep them glued on. I would remove the rubber and install a new substrate to attach the grip tape to. Doesn't look to be too difficult. If you don't trail ride it's probably not an issue. Edited April 20, 2018 by Marty Backe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Trying to think outside of the box here, but why can't someone make a rubber pad with grip material embedded on top? Would the hard pieces of corundum just fall out? Or if there is some sort of flexible adhesive that can bond to the rubber/silicone/whatever, maybe attach a coat onto the pad? It would be nice to get the best of both worlds... for long distance riding comfort and off-roading grip. Looking at the rubber pad pattern, maybe trying to tape pieces of slim grip tape in between the grooves might work... I don't know how well the adhesive backing sticks to that material though... plus if the pad is flexing it might detach over time? Edited April 20, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that0n3guy Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, WARPed1701D said: Any plans to make this an option for those who dislike the rubber? Looks like it would be very easy to 3D print some inserts and then just put griptape on top of that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Or if there is some sort of flexible adhesive that can bond to the rubber/silicone/whatever, maybe attach a coat onto the pad? As @Scatcat stated, the same kind of rubber inset pedal cover was implemented on the GT16 prior, except the V10F rubber inset feels much more substantial and thicker than the Rockwheel's. As for an adhesive, bond, etc. solution, Rockwheel after the inital GT16v1 was out, did just that via adhesive (below). I'm hoping IM will do a proper inset alternative, preferably with just a flat, ungriptape'd surface bed so we can apply our own griptape (Mob Grip!) 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Or maybe just cut out footprint shaped grip tape pieces and attach them to the bottom of your shoes! You could then get a grip on the ENTIRE WORLD! Everything would be so grippy! Edited April 20, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatcat Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, houseofjob said: As @Scatcat stated, the same kind of rubber inset pedal cover was implemented on the GT16 prior, except the V10F rubber inset feels much more substantial and thicker than the Rockwheel's. As for an adhesive, bond, etc. solution, Rockwheel after the inital GT16v1 was out, did just that via adhesive (below). I'm hoping IM will do a proper inset alternative, preferably with just a flat, ungriptape'd surface bed so we can apply our own griptape (Mob Grip!) One of those sit on my right pedal, the left one lies beside the trail somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em1barns Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Best of both worlds: Poron Pushin Cushion and grip tape. Easy to cut, you get comfort and grip. Edited April 20, 2018 by em1barns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, that0n3guy said: Looks like it would be very easy to 3D print some inserts and then just put griptape on top of that. That was my thoughts.....but only easy if you have a 3D printer . @Duf! For my kind of riding (commuting) I think the rubber is a better option to take some of the shock out the ride but I can see situations where people will want grip tape instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroman Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 3D print should work but considering the quality of something you stand on a lot with friction, weight and over time I think a solid option could be to laser scan the rubber piece and CNC mill from alu, if no CNC at hand then could just cut out the pieces and tig them together, should also give some options and a fun small lunch brake project. Edited April 20, 2018 by Electroman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that0n3guy Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I wonder if you put grip tape strips in the main grooves if that would be good enough. Add enough grip yet be inset enough that it won't peal off easily. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fat Unicyclist Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Or maybe just cut out footprint shaped grip tape pieces and attach them to the bottom of your shoes! You could then get a grip on the ENTIRE WORLD! Everything would be so grippy! And you can strap carpet to your feet too for around the house... Even with several extra "pairs" for guests, you can have carpet underfoot through the whole house for only a few $$$ ! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasenutty Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: And you can strap carpet to your feet too for around the house... Even with several extra "pairs" for guests, you can have carpet underfoot through the whole house for only a few $$$ ! Why stop at the feet? Carpet your whole body for still much cheaper than the whole house 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 Oh oh I think I've started a movement. Well if you can't get to the mountain, make the mountain come to you I always say! Still I think there would be advantages of having a grippy, yet cushiony pedal pad. I love my Telsa sandpaper pedals, but for longer trips I wonder whether a fatigue mat sort of foam that gives a little would be beneficial. I try to think well what would I prefer to stand on for two hours - a hard piece of sandpaper or a medium spongy mat or both? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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