Popular Post mike_bike_kite Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 To be fair though, in all of the NYC videos I've seen, all of the 2 ton SUV's are patiently waiting in traffic while it's the EUC's that are using the streets as a race track. In the video above (where the wheel cuts out) there are two people trying to cross the road as he sets off on a speed test. If we don't want to give ammunition to PEV haters then we need to ride a little more carefully in public places rather than just assume we're in the right because we're riding an EUC. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, meepmeepmayer said: We need to keep that in mind instead of giving (fake) ammunition to PEV haters. I think that any 'fake' ammunition on the math pales into insignificance in relation to the very graphic vid in question doing the rounds. As I say, I'm not criticising the video (or the riders) but I also think its pointless to criticise the math. That said, as you are a mod I take on board your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, Planemo said: That said, as you are a mod I take on board your comments. All my opinions are my personal opinions. Has nothing to do with modding. We mods don't get extra privileges there, neither what we can say, nor what others can or cannot say! (If you feel otherwise, please complain!) Post whatever you want to post Anyways, that new Veteran Sherman wheel... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: neither what we can say, nor what others can or cannot say! (If you feel otherwise, please complain!) Post whatever you want to post Weird?! Whats the point of having mods if you don't have the ability to ask people what/what not to say? No complaints here btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, Planemo said: Weird?! Whats the point of having mods We are in reality just some volunteer bureaucrates approving new posts as 99.9% of this work. ... and some cleanup, post/topic movement... We should be renamed to auxiliary admins (or this bureaucrats ) - moderating is just needed once things get really out of order. 49 minutes ago, Planemo said: if you don't have the ability to ask people what/what not to say? "Inbetween" moderation should noone really want... 45 minutes ago, Planemo said: No complaints here btw Thanks! 1 hour ago, meepmeepmayer said: Post whatever you want to post A trap? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Planemo said: Weird?! Whats the point of having mods if you don't have the ability to ask people what/what not to say? "Post what you want to post" - I meant that mods don't get more leeway than anybody else in comparison. Bad wording. 18 minutes ago, Chriull said: A trap? And more work for us? No thanks - Anyways, that new Veteran wheel sure is niceI wonder how the range per Wh turns out with all that apparent power delivery. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nils Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 4 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: "Post what you want to post" - I meant that mods don't get more leeway than anybody else in comparison. Bad wording. And more work for us? No thanks - Anyways, that new Veteran wheel sure is niceI wonder how the range per Wh turns out with all that apparent power delivery. Sure, whatever. Here's a picture of a cat 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boogieman Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Michael Tucker said: This video is definitive proof that riders should be leery of this wheel's prowess, despite the rugged facade. Some riders at the meet-up said they saw 50% voltage sag under heavy load. If Alex (the rider who fell) was 280lbs, was riding aggressive, fast and "heavy" on that bump with a wheel that was already at 60% battery (stated by observers of still screen images), voltage sag could have put the battery at just 10%. Which would explain a cut-out of a high powered wheel at relatively low speed with no damaged internal components. Its a proof of nothing. 1. 50% voltage sag, "some of the guys said"? So the voltage went from 100.2V to 50.1V, that would put battery meter at zero (or negative). Nr 1, get the facts right :-) 2. A cutout is something a wheel doesn't recover from until power off on (or well, thats how gotway recover...which I guess the guys refer everything to...one manifacturer) If guys chirping would know that,they wouldn't call that a cutout. A different profile on sudden movements in 0-5 km/h YES CUTOUT 😂 Edited June 23, 2020 by Boogieman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Argh, this is infuriating The same 200lb/90kg+, barely a year-to-two years riding NYC riders are complaining up-the-chain to Veteran about pedal dip on the demo wheel on turns, when I'm pretty sure they never properly calibrated, which is like EUC 101. I don't trust these Veteran engineers to "fix" this (can't say it's really a problem if you haven't calibrated properly, anyone on here knows this), because they are the same guys who "fixed" the "lack of torque" on the MSV3 going to the MSX, which wasn't really a lack of torque, it was a lack of a proper hard mode, as the MSV3 was all soft mode, but they overcompensated by making the MSX ALL HARD MODE, MSX Soft mode is still rock hard. It's a wait-and-see here, but if they neuter this wheel's soft mode with such fixes, I am demanding my US pre-order money back, I didn't buy the MSX mainly for this reason, and I sure as hell won't buy a Veteran if it's HARD HARD HARD. Edited June 24, 2020 by houseofjob 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someguy152 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 14 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said: To be fair though, in all of the NYC videos I've seen, all of the 2 ton SUV's are patiently waiting in traffic while it's the EUC's that are using the streets as a race track would have to agree there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, houseofjob said: Argh, this is infuriating The same 200lb/90kg+, barely a year-to-two years riding NYC riders are complaining up-the-chain to Veteran about pedal dip on the demo wheel on turns, when I'm pretty sure they never properly calibrated, which is like EUC 101. I don't trust these Veteran engineers to "fix" this (can't say it's really a problem if you haven't calibrated properly, anyone on here knows this), because they are the same guys who "fixed" the "lack of torque" on the MSV3 going to the MSX, which wasn't really a lack of torque, it was a lack of a proper hard mode, as the MSV3 was all soft mode, but they overcompensated by making the MSX ALL HARD MODE, MSX Soft mode is still rock hard. It's a wait-and-see here, but if they neuter this wheel's soft mode with such fixes, I am demanding my US pre-order money back, I didn't buy the MSX mainly for this reason, and I sure as hell won't buy a Veteran if it's HARD HARD HARD. Preach brother! One 280 lb whale cuts the wheel out (TRYING to cut the wheel out) and all of a sudden everyone's in a panic. Don't do the Kuji superman lean and and learn your wheel's limits for f***'s sake. I also don't believe Veteran can leave soft mode alone while appeasing the fatties with a proper hard mode, so I'd also be concerned for you since I like a little sway in my wheels (just not the ocean wave dippy action of "OG" soft mode). I could make the Mten3 cutout on command but I don't do it because I know the wheel's limits. On the bright side, my Sherman is a 1st batch wheel, so what I experienced at the demo is likely what my personal wheel will feel like when I receive it. Edited June 24, 2020 by Ben Kim 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ben Kim said: Preach brother! One 280 lb whale cuts the wheel out (TRYING to cut the wheel out) and all of a sudden everyone's in a panic. Don't do the Kuji superman lean and and learn your wheel's limits for f***'s sake. I also don't believe Veteran can leave soft mode alone while appeasing the fatties with a proper hard mode, so I'd also be concerned for you since I like a little sway in my wheels (just not the ocean wave dippy action of "OG" soft mode). I could make the Mten3 cutout on command but I don't do it because I know the wheel's limits. On the bright side, my Sherman is a 1st batch wheel, so what I experienced at the demo is likely what my personal wheel will feel like when I receive it. Yeah, I've yet to see Gotway be able to provide in one of their wheels Both Brickwall Hard mode AND OG Gotway Soft Mode in one package, one side is ALWAYS compromised, either the Soft side, or the Hard, so counting on these ex-Gotway Veteran engineers not to compromise one of these modes here does not look good. I sincerely hope I don't regret going with eWheels on this Veteran purchase, as much as I love @Jason McNeil. Edited June 24, 2020 by houseofjob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 hours ago, houseofjob said: Argh, this is infuriating The same 200lb/90kg+, barely a year-to-two years riding NYC riders are complaining up-the-chain to Veteran about pedal dip on the demo wheel on turns, when I'm pretty sure they never properly calibrated, which is like EUC 101. I don't trust these Veteran engineers to "fix" this (can't say it's really a problem if you haven't calibrated properly, anyone on here knows this), because they are the same guys who "fixed" the "lack of torque" on the MSV3 going to the MSX, which wasn't really a lack of torque, it was a lack of a proper hard mode, as the MSV3 was all soft mode, but they overcompensated by making the MSX ALL HARD MODE, MSX Soft mode is still rock hard. It's a wait-and-see here, but if they neuter this wheel's soft mode with such fixes, I am demanding my US pre-order money back, I didn't buy the MSX mainly for this reason, and I sure as hell won't buy a Veteran if it's HARD HARD HARD. Thankfully my new Tesla V2 still has a real soft mode and a hard mode that's harder than the MSX/MSP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Chriull said: We are in reality just some volunteer bureaucrates approving new posts as 99.9% of this work. ... and some cleanup, post/topic movement... We should be renamed to auxiliary admins (or this bureaucrats ) - moderating is just needed once things get really out of order. "Inbetween" moderation should noone really want... Thanks! A trap? That would be so cool if we could change the text on this Forum from Moderator to Bureaucrat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Thankfully my new Tesla V2 still has a real soft mode and a hard mode that's harder than the MSX/MSP Yes, that's what I hear (as I started riding soft after this wheel came out). Perhaps what I hated about the Tesla, low pedals and narrow tire, have now been fixed with this 2020 version 🧐 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, houseofjob said: Perhaps what I hated about the Tesla, low pedals and narrow tire, have now been fixed with this 2020 version 🧐 I don't believe that either of your 2 main concerns have been addressed, @Marty Backe can confirm for sure though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, fbhb said: I don't believe that either of your 2 main concerns have been addressed, @Marty Backe can confirm for sure though! Correct. The only substantive difference that I see is the speakers and some fit & finish. That being said, I do enjoy owning a Tesla for that narrow tire ride. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 hours ago, houseofjob said: Yeah, I've yet to see Gotway be able to provide in one of their wheels Both Brickwall Hard mode AND OG Gotway Soft Mode in one package, one side is ALWAYS compromised, either the Soft side, or the Hard, so counting on these ex-Gotway Veteran engineers not to compromise one of these modes here does not look good. I sincerely hope I don't regret going with eWheels on this Veteran purchase, as much as I love @Jason McNeil. like we discussed, waiting to get the bugs out in later revisions can be counterproductive with China. Many times, to save a buck or as a kneejerk reaction, we see later batches regress poorly in quality and design. No company is more guilty of this than Gotway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zege Posted June 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2020 Found this on reddit, not mine. But very informative. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esbu Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, zege said: Found this on reddit, not mine. But very informative. Good job to find and post it. First Sherman video I really like look and listen to it. Edited June 24, 2020 by Esbu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Nice to see a first real review of the Sherman, and good job getting and sharing it from Hsiang. I'm still not convinced the fall was an actual cut out due to it being airborne right before, while accelerating, and it looks to me it tilts forward because it doesn't have road to grip on. IDK. Other little point I believe the young torque guy said to u-stride he could do it with a MSP (hence stride wanted to see it on his) but he didn't manage due to not having pads. (18:05) Edited June 24, 2020 by null 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, null said: Nice to see a first real review of the Sherman, and good job getting and sharing it from Hsiang. I'm still not convinced the fall was an actual cut out due to it being airborne right before, while accelerating, and it looks to me it tilts forward because it doesn't have road to grip on. IDK. Other little point I believe the young torque guy said to u-stride he could do it with a MSP (hence stride wanted to see it on his) but he didn't manage due to not having pads. (18:05) Even if it was airborne the gyro should have caught it and kept him upright if it were able to support his weight. That bump and the fact he was in a full on frontal lean, caused the amp limit to spike and dropped him. Can happen to anyone actually. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ben Kim said: Even if it was airborne the gyro should have caught it and kept him upright if it were able to support his weight. That bump and the fact he was in a full on frontal lean, caused the amp limit to spike and dropped him. Can happen to anyone actually. If the rider Is airborne yes, but if the wheel is airborne, and the rider pushes the pedals down, it will tilt. (the wheel having nothing to grip on) It should ideally catch him even from a 30+degree angle upon landing, but there could be loss of control in such an event also. He mentioned it just suddenly let him go, normally overlean has a fade. So as it cuts sharp its either a technical failure or a loss of ground grip as far as I can understand. edit: maybe the landing ate the power margin, still seems a bit weak or buggy in that case to me. If you can't ride a bump being a big guy. Edited June 24, 2020 by null Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, null said: If the rider Is airborne yes, but if the wheel is airborne, and the rider pushes the pedals down, it will tilt. (the wheel having nothing to grip on) It should ideally catch him even from a 30+degree angle upon landing, but there could be loss of control in such an event also. He mentioned it just suddenly let him go, normally overlean has a fade. So as it cuts sharp its either a technical failure or a loss of ground grip as far as I can understand. The Sherman has a hard amp limit to protect the board from failure, I don't think there is leeway in that regard for Veteran. He was airborne for literally fractions of a second, in any normal use case that would not have happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Ben Kim said: The Sherman has a hard amp limit to protect the board from failure, Would not be the worst idea - especially with a 10p configuration! This could fry otherwise any mosfet/cable/connector/motor with ease... Although some warning before would be nice! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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