Gasmantle Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 It looks to me as if it is about the size and weight of a small wardrobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Marty Backe said: You had me going there for a second. I was thinking, "somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today" I love your commentary about off-roading and the suspension. Really, when have I ever wished to instantly lose 2 to 3 inches of clearance The scenarios with dynamically floating pedals can turn into quite a mess. I imagine this would change my choice of lines while riding. Jumping off a rock would cause the pedals to become lower once I land, some paths have rocks everywhere and I have to make split second decisions or just push through and hope for the best. Clearance is always what has saved me most and the second factor has been agility. However... it might work better than we imagine. Introducing a new system is a change and change leads to further development. 3 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said: I guess it depends on rider skill, local road conditions and whether they have children. 50kph is way faster than most of us want to go on our wheels. t would be interesting to get a report from @Sebaas to what percentage of riders regularly ride faster than 50kph. My guess would be very few. I understand what you mean. My view is that I don't like living in an apartment with a ceiling that is 164cm high and me being 163cm tall. With the ceiling slowly lowering itself as the day goes by. I would just love the possibility of being able to go faster now and then. 2 hours ago, GyroRideRz said: The design is clearly inspired by the Z10 for the top of the wheel and i love that 3 things worry me: 1- Is it really possible to do 50km/h with a tilt back that starts at 55 or do we have tilback at 50km/h which would be really annoying 2- Will it really be possible to cover a distance of 50km ( the 120km announced is a joke as usual and have to be divided by 2 in my opinion) with an average speed of 45-50km/h? Because if you have to drive at 25-30km/h to reach this autonomy, there's no point because you fall back into the big problem of the Z10. 3 - I applaud the innovation of the suspensions, but I have big doubts about the longevity of the thing for daily use + intensive offroad at the weekend. Can't wait to the first tests of this new beast 1- doubtful. Just like the 16X or my ex girlfriend it will say "please stop" just as the fun is getting started. 2 - No we would need much more battery for that. Almost twice as much. 3- Or maybe it will improve the longevity of the wheel! 1 hour ago, Unventor said: In the country I live the speed limit is 20kmh and you are treated as a cyclist in the general traffic laws. So I rather be able to go up to 45kmh legal, than having wheels that can go much fast than I ride for 2 reason: · I don't want to get into trouble (in case of a crash/with law or police/) · I don't want to stress myself (as speeds over 40kmh makes it hard for me to anticipate a large enough radius around me in daily traffic). So despite the specs I do see this as a game changer, maybe not in the way most others here do, but to me it look almost perfect balance beside 2 things, weatherproofing listed as IP55 and the pricing due to the lower battery. The order below is random, · As for trolley, look fine to me, I have seen worse solutions. · The lights look great on paper, first impression still okay, when you ride, I don't know yet. · As for rim size combined with tire, look great too. · The suspension part, I am looking forward to that. It might not be good for all type of use, but for me it would be great 99% of the time. I do have other wheels anyway... · Battery, a little disappointing, but I believe it is a trade of between power demand, space, weight, price. · The weight of the wheel, yes one of the heaviest wheels so far (I don’t recall if the GW monster is heavier), I doubt it matters much in the end, as I don't lift my wheel much. · No speakers, not an issue as I took @Mike Sacristan advice and bought myself a Bose BT speaker. (Soundlink micro). I rather use weight/space and money on other thingsin the wheel. · Side light, might be good, but in traffic laws here you must be yellow only. So in a way I am glad the disco light are gone. Again, I rather use weight/space and money on other things. Maybe a yellow reflector on the sides would be nice. I don’t think wheel is for everyone. But to me it ticks most boxes I have of wishes. But I had my fair share of 1st batch issue ( though that was KS) and not in direct need so I can sit on my hands this time. Maybe if we get some awesome reviews/reports how it rides and such I might change my mind. On the other hand we don't know much about the next wheel in october from inmotion and I think KS were making something too, but it has been pretty quit from them so far. (As for @Marty Backe it is at least 3” wide tire so it can’t be all dead.) I just have one big worry, how it is to service and how to maintain/clean this. Going from A to B with a timer over my head stresses me to no end. I am very afraid of riding faster than what is comfortable for me. I always try to stay 2 step ahead. It is definitely a game changer. It also looks that they mentioned redundant systems as a safety? We have been wishing for this for a year now on the forums. The last thing I have ever needed to maintain on my MTB is the suspension. 7 hours ago, mrelwood said: I have! Every single time my teeth hit eachother while riding on the sharp dips made by horseshoes on soft dirt. Or when riding on the overly coarse new gravel laid on my favourite outdoorsy cycleways. And so on. The maximum pedal height on the V11 is something like 6.5”, so there is a bit of something to give away from. Besides, the dangerously low reaching side panels will be scratching on rocks, roots and curbs loud enough to make you forget all about the pedal clearance! @Mike Sacristan, they have been working on the suspension for a full year. I’m sure there has been time to try out a prototype or a few before deciding to manufacture it in large scale and sell it as a flagship product. I’m sure they have already scratched a few worst functioning ideas, toward which your doubts might well have been more relevant. Haha yes now that you mention it... horseshoe tracks are terrible. It will all depend on their definition of off-roading. I am sure it will be comfortable to ride though. I guess I am just finding ways to dismiss this new wheel. I would probably feel different if the top speed was 60 kmh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UniVehje Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Simone Malicius said: another point.. so a part of you wants EUC to be a sport , nothing wrong with that ! but i believe majority of people see EUC as an alternative to daily commute and that is the main difference! needs will be different cause of this.. u want a very high top speed, i want 35/40km/h no more , you want a huge battery that will allow you to do 100KM and cause of it a very heavy wheel ,me i want a battery that will allow me to do 50KM and thus a lighter wheel ! As I was on my 60 km joyride today I was thinking about the V11 and feeling sad that I couldn’t do that with it I realized that it’s actually a perfect commuter wheel. Many of us enthusiasts wanted it to be a sport wheel but they introduced an SUV. We are a minority, there’s a huge market for this kind of wheel. I would buy it for that if the corona doesn’t wipe out my economy totally. It’s probably the most comfortable and best commuter wheel available. The battery is enough for normal daily commute also. My long rides are most likely at the extreme end of EUC users. I wish they’d make a V12 or V11S (sport) with bigger battery, higher speed for those who like it, stiffer suspension and rugged side covers. It would be a killer wheel for us enthusiasts also. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Simone Malicius said: and this bring me back to my personal " idea of EUC " why do i like inmotion? cause they set SAFETY FIRST ... as we have all seen by many videos reckless drivers wants/desire to keep TOP speed for the entire last of the battery and that will carry several problems , read cutoff or similars ! While Inmotion idea is more on safety direction... 50km/h is a lot over one single wheel so if it can keep it for the first 20% of battery and than gently slow down i would not mind at all and whoever is concerned about safety this should be applauded ! if we could ( i do.. ) for one moment STOP the idea of TOP SPEED we would see how much inmotion engineers have done on this wheel and this might be a trigger also for competition to start something new over euc world ! the thing of top speed to me sounds like when we were kids " who has it bigger .. " lol we are grown up and tell me , after so many years does it still count who has it bigger? About V11 i still have some doubts weight above all and i'm so curious to know how those suspensions will perform !!! i'd say that in this world wide moment innovation might be the key for the hope of a brighter future ! I think it's fantastic that this new wheel hits the sweet spot for a lot of riders here. Something for everyone. Most people were not expecting this to compete with Gotway in the speed race. But it would have been nice if it could have done ~56km/h because then it would safely due ~49-km/h without tilt-back. When the price is the same as a 100-volt Nikola, MSX, or MSP (1800wh batteries no less) than people can't help be compare directly to those wheels. I think it falls short. Maybe it'll end up being like the Z10. The Z10 was a $2200 wheel when it was released (that's what I paid). Now you can buy them for under $1800. Why? Because nobody wants to buy them at that inflated price. The V11 needs to be closer to $1800 to sell in quantity, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 hours ago, GyroRideRz said: The design is clearly inspired by the Z10 for the top of the wheel and i love that 3 things worry me: 1- Is it really possible to do 50km/h with a tilt back that starts at 55 or do we have tilback at 50km/h which would be really annoying2- Will it really be possible to cover a distance of 50km ( the 120km announced is a joke as usual and have to be divided by 2 in my opinion) with an average speed of 45-50km/h? Because if you have to drive at 25-30km/h to reach this autonomy, there's no point because you fall back into the big problem of the Z10. 3 - I applaud the innovation of the suspensions, but I have big doubts about the longevity of the thing for daily use + intensive offroad at the weekend. Can't wait to the first tests of this new beast I believe 120km is not a joke. Inmotion should be commended for providing the criteria for that range. If you read the spec's, it clearly states the rider weight and a riding speed of 20km/h At 20km/h the V11 most certainly could go 120km. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Glider Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I wish InMotion well with this release! They seem to me to have held the benchmark for quality and safety so far in many respects and this new offering is ambitious for sure. InMotion has enjoyed very significant sales numbers the last couple of years even though their product line offered significantly lower range and speed/performance than what other manufacturers produced. They go their own way it seems! I just hope that suspension doesn’t make the wheel feel ‘disconnected’ from the rider, especially off road where momentary control is so important. As for price, possibly time will bring it down a bit, but we live in an world where bicycles (non-motorized) cost upwards of $6,000 for the features that true enthusiasts want, so I’m not surprised by this price; but proof of execution remains to be seen! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: If it was a solid and flawless design they would have rode it to the stage or jumped off the stage to show the suspension in action My Chinese is a bit fuzzy but I think the moderator was yelling at the guy to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The V11 needs to be closer to $1800 to sell in quantity, IMO. SpeedyFeet has MSP on Sale for £1699.96 (pre-order) https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle-one-wheel-segway/products/gotway-msuper-pro-100v-electric-unicycle and V11 pre-order for £1995.00 for August delivery https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle-one-wheel-segway/products/inmotion-v11-electric-unicycle So MSP is £300 less than V11 during the sale and you will get it sooner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Vu Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: My Chinese is a bit fuzzy but I think the moderator was yelling at the guy to come back. I do think this interesting. By the way the guy wearing full armor and helmet, might be the plan was for him to show off, ride the wheel a little bit? try out the suspension? Could be some last minutes issue with the wheel so it can't be demo? Edited April 4, 2020 by Phong Vu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nic said: SpeedyFeet has MSP on Sale for £1699.96 (pre-order) https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle-one-wheel-segway/products/gotway-msuper-pro-100v-electric-unicycle and V11 pre-order for £1995.00 for August delivery https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle-one-wheel-segway/products/inmotion-v11-electric-unicycle So MSP is £300 less than V11 during the sale and you will get it sooner. It won’t be long before Ewheels and Inmotion USA follow suit. I’m sure @Jason McNeil is feverishly working on his pre-order announcement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpd Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Rehab1 said: It won’t be long before Ewheels and Inmotion USA follow suit. I’m sure @Jason McNeil is feverishly working on his pre-order announcement. I’ve already placed my preorder through euco, it says delivery is end of June. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Old Glider said: I wish InMotion well with this release! They seem to me to have held the benchmark for quality and safety so far in many respects and this new offering is ambitious for sure. InMotion has enjoyed very significant sales numbers the last couple of years even though their product line offered significantly lower range and speed/performance than what other manufacturers produced. They go their own way it seems! I just hope that suspension doesn’t make the wheel feel ‘disconnected’ from the rider, especially off road where momentary control is so important. As for price, possibly time will bring it down a bit, but we live in an world where bicycles (non-motorized) cost upwards of $6,000 for the features that true enthusiasts want, so I’m not surprised by this price; but proof of execution remains to be seen! I'm not surprised by the price also, but Inmotion doesn't exist in a vacuum. At $2300 people are going to look at what else can be gotten for the same or less. And let's not forget about ease of maintenance. Gotway wheels are the simplest to maintain. KingSong takes a bit more work (undoing their beautiful wiring harnesses, etc.). The Z10? A nightmare. This V11 looks to be a bit like the Z10. Very complex so probably it will be a pain in the butt to work on the tire or anything else in the wheel. Time will tell though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Given the spec's I'm not willing to depart with $2300 for this wheel. I have heard this "eh I'll skip" from you often enough that I'm not worried. Let Jason send you a review model at the earliest possibility, and then let's see. Looking forward to your (as in yours) V11 videos 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 7 hours ago, gon2fast said: Seems like the ideal wheel for seated riding... if the suspension is legit. Yes, they need to offer a seat asap. Notably missing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Most people were not expecting this to compete with Gotway in the speed race. But it would have been nice if it could have done ~56km/h because then it would safely due ~49-km/h without tilt-back. When the price is the same as a 100-volt Nikola, MSX, or MSP (1800wh batteries no less) than people can't help be compare directly to those wheels. I think it falls short. I don't agree that price of a wheel should only be correlated to top speed. While very fast cars tend to be extremely expensive (there are exceptions like the V8 Ariel Atom), there are also extremely expensive cars that sell based on other attributes. For example, a Rolls Royce Wraith costs about 50% more than a Ferrari 458, but is 50 mph slower. Different specs and features for different Serviceable Available Markets (SAMs) within the Total Available Market (TAM). Edited April 4, 2020 by Jon Stern 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FreeRide Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) While I don't care to correlate price with top speed, I do expect it to correlate with range/battery capacity. However; I'm willing to wait until we see how the wheel rides in the real world, on the streets and off road before I form an opinion on this one as no other one has suspension and that is the key here. How well does it work. Someone was asking for tighter suspension lalready when no one outside of IM even knows what the suspension is like. People are going a bit crazy here. Historically though I've been disappointed in the pricing of IM wheels, but never owned one, and since they are the best selling wheel, it hardly makes sense for them to lower their prices. I'd love to try an IM one day since speed above 50km/h is not important to me, but how the top speed is limited as the battery is drained is important. I'm still very excited to see how this new wheel performs. Edited April 4, 2020 by FreeRide 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, UniVehje said: As I was on my 60 km joyride today I was thinking about the V11 and feeling sad that I couldn’t do that with it I realized that it’s actually a perfect commuter wheel. That what I tried to say but with an argument to why in my message above. It isn't build to be extreme but as mid range commuter it is close to perfect. But still the first reviews are going to be very interesting if only the review understand it isn't a "take on GW topspeed wheel". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UniVehje Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: And let's not forget about ease of maintenance. Gotway wheels are the simplest to maintain. KingSong takes a bit more work (undoing their beautiful wiring harnesses, etc.). The Z10? A nightmare. This V11 looks to be a bit like the Z10. Very complex so probably it will be a pain in the butt to work on the tire or anything else in the wheel. Yeah, I’d like to be able to change a tire easily. But still this is what came to my mind reading this. One of them is surely easier to maintain. Edited April 4, 2020 by UniVehje 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Unventor said: ... It isn't build to be extreme but as mid range commuter it is close to perfect. ... This makes sense given IM's market focus in the past. They did say in that recent interview though that they were going to cater to the enthusiast's market more, but maybe the V11 is not the wheel for that. Still as it is it should be better able to handle more terrain than the V10, so maybe this is their first step in that direction. Especially if the top speed hols for 70% of the battery capacity, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Nothing new here, but a nice summary by @EcoDrift: Inmotion V11. Presentation took place 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jon Stern said: I don't agree that price of a wheel should only be correlated to top speed. While very fast cars tend to be extremely expensive (there are exceptions like the V8 Ariel Atom), there are also extremely expensive cars that sell based on other attributes. For example, a Rolls Royce Wraith costs about 50% more than a Ferrari 458, but is 50 mph slower. Different specs and features for different Serviceable Available Markets (SAMs) within the Total Available Market (TAM). I don't believe I said ONLY speed. The lack of battery for that price is the single biggest turn off for me. All the Gotway wheels that I just listed are cheaper than the V11 and have substantially larger battery packs. For all the riding that we do in Southern California, a 1400wh wheel just won't cut it. Of course for many other people the V11 will have a huge battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, FreeRide said: While I don't care to correlate price with top speed, I do expect it to correlate with range/battery capacity. However; I'm willing to wait until we see how the wheel rides in the real world, on the streets and off road before I form an opinion on this one as no other one has suspension and that is the key here. How well does it work. Someone was asking for tighter suspension lalready when no one outside of IM even knows what the suspension is like. People are going a bit crazy here. Historically though I've been disappointed in the pricing of IM wheels, but never owned one, and since they are the best selling wheel, it hardly makes sense for them to lower their prices. I'd love to try an IM one day since speed above 50km/h is not important to me, but how the top speed is limited as the battery is drained is important. I'm still very excited to see how this new wheel performs. I believe they are the best selling wheel because of their affordability. The V11 is absolutely not an affordable wheel. It's actually looking to be the most expensive wheel (outside the Monster) that you can buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 53 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: I have heard this "eh I'll skip" from you often enough that I'm not worried. Let Jason send you a review model at the earliest possibility, and then let's see. Looking forward to your (as in yours) V11 videos I've never bought an Inmotion wheel. What makes you think I'm going to buy one now, particularly at this inflated price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I don't believe I said ONLY speed. The lack of battery for that price is the single biggest turn off for me. All the Gotway wheels that I just listed are cheaper than the V11 and have substantially larger battery packs. For all the riding that we do in Southern California, a 1400wh wheel just won't cut it. Of course for many other people the V11 will have a huge battery. Agreed that the battery pack is rather on the small side. My point is that some segments of the market which are not looking for max speed and range, may be willing to pay a premium price for the other features. If the suspension works well (to be determined) some people will be happy to pay hundreds for that feature (which I'm also guessing adds a lot of cost to the manufacturing). Edited April 4, 2020 by Jon Stern 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jon Stern said: Agreed that the battery pack is rather on the small side. My point is that some segments of the market which is not looking for max speed and range, may be willing to pay a premium price for the other features. If the suspension works well (to be determined) some people will be happy to pay hundreds for that feature (which I'm also guessing adds a lot of cost to the manufacturing). I'm sure there's a market for this wheel. But all the communities that I'm involved with (here, Facebook, Telegram, person-to-person, etc) always discuss range, speed, and $$$. I don't think it's going to be a big seller, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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