Gasmantle

Thanks, I want a Mten3 for short runs at fairly low speed but wondered how well the tyre copes. From what I have heard from other members it seems like even 20 mph is very fast on a small wheel.

I don't want to derail this thread but I'm curious about this tube vs tubeless thing as I'm planning to buy a Mten3 in a few days. Do tubeless tyres lose their pressure over time, how well do they cope if you hit a sudden obstruction ?

I agree with @PennBrucewhen I first learnt to ride I would bend the knee opposite to the direction I wanted to turn, it works well and once you can reliably steer your wheel you can start learning other methods and improve your technique.

Yeah, I'm sure you are right. I can't ever see EUC's being legal on UK roads, the best we can hope for is the police turning a blind eye if they see someone riding in a safe manner. The only remote chance of getting of getting legalisation is if there is suddenly a massive change of mindset and people see them as a sensible urban transport solution to commute to the office etc but with emphasis on higher powered wheels catering for enthusiasts like us we have no chance. I've spoken to my MP whilst discussing something else and he was far from convinced about them.

All ready there is mounting opposition :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53253194 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51375903 Legalisation of EUC's isn't going to be an easy battle.

I think the pertinent point is not whether you can carry something but how it looks in the case for legalisation. All of us can carry things but it isn't a good look when it comes to the legalisation debate. The reality is EUC legalisation is going to be an uphill struggle in the UK - just look at the comments section at the foot of the new article in my original post. A significant proportion of the public are against even low speed hired scooters let alone EUC's - anything that paints a negative image is going to make the case for legalisation harder to win. The guy in the photo was delivering food items to the vulnerable during the lockdown but has totally ruined what should have been a great PR exercise, he should have had his hands free or even made a publicity stunt out of just visiting the elderly on his EUC. If that guy had say been wearing a HV vest and going around visiting people and a video went viral he would have advanced the cause greatly - instead he has ruined a great opportunity.

We do want them for light shopping but surely you can see that if you are trying to get governments to legalise them it would make more sense to carry shopping in a backpack. It's not so much what we view as safe it's what the MP's see as safe that matters in the overall decision making.

I guess we all do occasionally but if you are using that kind of image to promote EUC's then it probably isn't a good choice. Let's face it we are trying to get these things legalised so our case needs to be as strong as possible, it won't take a lot to steer MP's away from legalisation.

Yea, I kinda thought the same thing. My worry is it gives the owner of the hire company a great incentive to try an prevent legalisation of privately owned vehicles.

To be fair I don't think it is unreasonable for any politician to look at how other governments tackle a particular issue and look at other countries statistics etc. Looking at what happens elsewhere is part of a responsible attitude in looking at the evidence and reaching a sensible decision. In looking at evidence (particularly one that maybe unknown territory, like EUC's) I'd say it is very likely a politician would want to see what EUC's are capable of and how they fit in with the present traffic regime. Let's be fair here, I know a lot of politicians aren't known for applying common sense but if the get they impression EUC's are high speed machines predominately used by adrenalin junkies then they are going to be cautious and vote against legalisation. All that some people are saying here is a considerable number of youtube videos are now showing high speed riding often in the vicinity of children or dense urban traffic and that is painting a bad picture just when we are trying to get governments to see EUC's as sensible urban transport. No-one here wants to see EUC's banned but I honestly think that's the way we are heading if people insist on riding like maniacs in public' The conversation here has moved it's emphasis on to legalisation etc and I guess we are all a little bit guilty of putting our own interests first but we also need to remember it is also one of public safety. No matter how well a person can control their wheel accidents do happen and higher speeds increase the likelihood of injury (or death), it stands to reason a very serious incident will happen to an innocent member of the public before long if people insist on riding at 35+ mph in busy traffic or near pedestrians.

In London if someone rode an EUC at the speed that some of the halfwits in NewYork do when showing off for their youtube fans they'd get reported by members of the public. The simple fact is the police would arrest someone riding an EUC at high speed in the city. That would effectively kill any chance we have of pushing our case for legalisation.

Not directly about EUC's but this article may be of interest to some. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53219331 The legalisation only applies to hired vehicles and is only a 12 month trial. I'd like to think it is at least a step in the right direction but feedback from the general public in the comments section at the bottom of the page shows there is significant opposition to the move.

We don't need to ban the sale of EUC's capable of more than 31mph, we just need to ban the halfwits doing so in public parks and built up areas then posting their stupidity for the world to see.

I'd say it is almost certain. To say that the crazy riding you do in New York doesn't affect others is incredibly naive. The USA maybe a bit more flexible about turning a blind eye to EUC's but I can assure you here in the UK things are taken seriously so politicians by and large are reluctant to legalise anything where there is even the remotest risk. I accept that our politicians are often far too cautious but that is the reality and we have to live with it. At the moment we have a Prime Minister who despite his faults is in principle pro 'green' transport, he's done his bit to promote bicycles and get people out of cars - if ever we in the UK are going to get EUC's legalised it is now. The last thing we need is half wits in New York openly posting on you tube how stupid they are. Use a bit of common sense, if you want to ride like an idiot do it somewhere that endangers you and no-one else - don't for one minute think that your stupidity doesn't reflect on the rest of us and influence legislation.

Just a thought but it may be worth asking @stephenwhat size he bought and how well it fits. I'd be interested to know if his has any permanent size marking inside. There's no way you'd be able to ride in the dark. Even this morning in broad daylight I kept having to lift the visor up to check the weather as I thought I was about to get caught in a storm, when I looked it was overcast but certainly not dark and stormy. In my case the front stops just under my chin and it kinda feels right but I don't have another helmet to compare it against. I think the reality is when you are buying something that has questionable sizing and quality control from the other side of the world you are taking a bit of a chance and relying on a bit of luck but if you get one that fits they are worth the £75 asking price.