EMA Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: The pedal angle is so steep that everyone omits it because it is ridiculously steep. Most also don't mention it because it can be easily filed down to make it flatter. thanks, i suppose every "test rider" told this to GW , so maybe they'll adjust it for us......maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: The pedal angle is so steep that everyone omits it because it is ridiculously steep. Most also don't mention it because it can be easily filed down to make it flatter. Don't file the pedals! ... until you ride it for at least 30 minutes. The contact points between pedals and pedal arms need to wear-in, and often cause the pedal angle to decrease dramatically during the first bumpy ride. Removing material from new pedals could easily result in too little angle after they wear in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said: Don't file the pedals! ... until you ride it for at least 30 minutes. The contact points between pedals and pedal arms need to wear-in, and often cause the pedal angle to decrease dramatically during the first bumpy ride. Removing material from new pedals could easily result in too little angle after they wear in. I am now liking the pedal angle makes the MSP more agile than its predecessors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Afeez Kay said: I am now liking the pedal angle makes the MSP more agile than its predecessors Afeez, I was wondering how you liked the name MST (M Super Torque) since the pro might not be the best name for the new wheel. Just a thought. Might pitch it to Gotway. Might be too late now but Gotway has the final say. I think MST might clear some confusion/disappointment when people wonder why its not faster than the MSX (100v) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, Flyboy10 said: Afeez, I was wondering how you liked the name MST (M Super Torque) since the pro might not be the best name for the new wheel. Just a thought. Might pitch it to Gotway. Might be too late now but Gotway has the final say. I think MST might clear some confusion/disappointment when people wonder why its not faster than the MSX (100v) "why are they calling this the pro why not just the torque edition along with the other 100v which would be the speed edition like the MCM4" i got dibs on that name xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rywokast said: why are they calling this the pro If my memory serves me correctly @Afeez Kay suggested MSP instead of MSX V2 because this wheel wasn't exactly an MSX. Hence they called it the MSP because Afeez called it that before any tests were done so there was no way of knowing what the wheel would actually perform like. **Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to spread false info.** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick McCutcheon Posted February 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Just thought I leave EUCO's review of the MSP here for those curious. Edited February 11, 2020 by Nick McCutcheon 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Nick McCutcheon said: Just thought I leave EUCO's review of the MSP here for those curious. What's the point of the MSPro? If it rides the same as the MSX but is notably slower... Maybe that new motor will do something for the upcoming bigger diameter wheel or maybe a smaller diameter wheel (Nikola Pro?). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick McCutcheon Posted February 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: What's the point of the MSPro? If it rides the same as the MSX but is notably slower... Maybe that new motor will do something for the upcoming bigger diameter wheel or maybe a smaller diameter wheel (Nikola Pro?). It definitely does have better power delivery/get-up-and-go than my 1845wh MSX (which weighs the same as the MSP), and I haven't ridden an 84v MSX extensively, but I'm sure it would appear nicer to ride and a bit more powerful than that wheel. The 1230wh MSX is lighter so it may not be an ideal comparison, but at least the MSP can keep pace with a wheel lighter than itself. I remember reading somewhere that this wheel is supposed to replace/be a better option than the 84v MSX in GW's lineup, but don't quote me on that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: What's the point of the MSPro? If it rides the same as the MSX but is notably slower... It has noticeably more torque going up hills. If you lived in San Francisco or some other mountainous/hilly region, you'd be much better off with an MSPro over the MSX. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Mh ok the video didn't really say that, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted February 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Nick McCutcheon said: Just thought I leave EUCO's review of the MSP here for those curious. I wrote a comment on YouTube: Great review! Nice work and nice riding guys! I see this model as a refresh of the 84v. If we look back at just about every wheel so far there has been no magic when it comes to range. A Wh is usually a Wh. Some wheels like the 18XL and 16X going a bit lower into voltage but that voltage running off very quickly. An interesting thing to see was how the 1230Wh 100V compared to the 1800Wh MSP when it comes to voltage dipping. At 04:44 in the clip while getting up to speed (both wheels are fully charged) 100V 40MPH 44% battery or 89.9V MSP 35MPH 72% battery 94.3V Both configurations are 24s4p but the 18650 cells in the 1230Wh 100v are definitely digging deep.Of course there is a speed variation to consider as well but it looks like the 5000mah cells offset the 24s4p so it behaves more like a 18650 24s6p config. Mathematically it all seems sound and comparable to the 1845Wh 100v regarding battery. Minus the top speed but with more torque. I'm sure it will find it's place on the market. Some people don't want to ride at 60 kmh but given the possibility they might... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazarinho Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) On 2/10/2020 at 2:42 AM, Flyboy10 said: The pedal angle is so steep that everyone omits it because it is ridiculously steep. @Afeez Kay briefly let me ride his MSP at the Winter Games in Brussels (for which many thanks! ), and I have to say the pedal angle wasn't quite as bad as I thought it would be. It felt stable and locked in. I've never ridden an MSX though, so I can't compare. Edited February 11, 2020 by Tazarinho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Tazarinho said: It felt stable and locked in. I concur. But try riding like that for 60 miles or over very bumpy terrain. I've never felt more secure on a wheel. But there's a reason why most cars don't have a 5-point harness, if you get my analogy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: If my memory serves me correctly @Afeez Kay suggested MSP instead of MSX V2 because this wheel wasn't exactly an MSX. Hence they called it the MSP because Afeez called it that before any tests were done so there was no way of knowing what the wheel would actually perform like. **Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to spread false info.** Sure, the name MSX Pro was the original name, I suggested taking the ‘X’ out, so this is another variant of the MSuper series, mind you this was before I rode the wheel. MST , T for Torque to get you out of corners faster, than a normal 100v, may be ideal. I am not sure if Gotway gave a lot of thought into the naming scheme, they were probably just looking for something to call their new wheel. so MST is what I would suggest, but hey this is just my opinion based on my experience with the wheel. Edited February 11, 2020 by Afeez Kay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Mh ok the video didn't really say that, thanks. I didn't watch the latest video here, but I saw a different one the other week where they had both a 100v MSX and a MSPro and were racing them up a hill side-by-side and the MSPro climbed way faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick McCutcheon Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, AtlasP said: I didn't watch the latest video here, but I saw a different one the other week where they had both a 100v MSX and a MSPro and were racing them up a hill side-by-side and the MSPro climbed way faster. Do you remember if it was the 1845 or 1230 wh MSX? Wheel weight seems to make a difference in my personal tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I think it was this video. The guys he's talking to don't seem like the type that go half measures on their rides so I'd guess it would be the larger model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick McCutcheon Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said: I think it was this video. The guys he's talking to don't seem like the type that go half measures on their rides so I'd guess it would be the larger model. I believe in this video they also compared against the MSX 84v, which would produce a much more noticable difference vs. the MSP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Nick McCutcheon said: I believe in this video they also compared against the MSX 84v, which would produce a much more noticable difference vs. the MSP. Fact! they state it several times in the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I think the MSP is a good upgrade from the 84v MSX 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrd777 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: I think the MSP is a good upgrade from the 84v MSX Kind of disagree, as I feel the difference isn’t worth the upgrade. It’s really not that much a difference, I was surprised.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FlyboyEUC Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) I guess a proper range test and long distance Hill climb are the only tests left to do. I think the MSP will outlast the 84v in both scenarios but it's only speculation. I was surprised that the MSP wasn't more... well, more! Sounds like this long range uphill test will be happening on Feb 22nd 😉 Edited February 12, 2020 by Flyboy10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Flyboy10 said: I guess a proper range test and long distance Hill climb are the only tests left to do. With that dihedral angle though... Might be difficult to find someone who even can. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, mrelwood said: With that dihedral angle though... Might be difficult to find someone who even can. I get mine on Saturday. Will soon find out 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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