Popular Post Seba Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Chriull said: Your phone/the bluetooth connection/the wheels/euc world or whatever has some problems - seems as there are duplicate values within some hundredth of a second.... Maybe this as an already known "problem"? This is a problem how Gotway protocol is handled. It's because wheel data is sent in chunks and each chunk trigger CSV line write. I however decided to rewrite Gotway support entirely from scratch. This week I will get Nikola, so I will be able to finish & test it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridefast51 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Newbie here; and all over this! Just got my first classic 1000w and learned i need 2000w. With Sadly No understanding of speed limit programming. Im top heavy and bob at low speeds. Specs say "safe speed" 20kmh, does this mean its set to it? And what means no they wont change their programs? The speed upgrades are not from Gotway? If this were so id be back to my king song 18xl crush if theirs were upgraded in house. Even tho im huge, and also drooling for the monster 2500w. And that thumb button i guess wont ever get accidentally pressed? And works with seat? funny side story, i ordered a geriatric walker with 10" wheels and gonna try to use it for training, upper and lower body now and getting all into thinking how im gonna travel around with it possibly relieving feet just a lil for arm workout. and to rest even more than seat on wheel pushing walker with feet straps, ill sit on walker seat and pull myself around with it maybe even with a leash if I get really tired, like at publix wheeling through there or flea market or somewhere slow paced with good surface., it got a basket under seat. And i think ill be able to reverse seating direction if casters work better on front or back, maybe different at different speeds. So thatll be better now that smaller 19" has 2500w, lighter to control with feet and trolley handle happens to be in rear of wheel so i can hold it from walker seating position.. Im heard 45 mph. What's with the EUCService site? I placed an order for a monster and it said I will get an invoice in email, that was yesterday. Its probly coming right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ridefast51 said: Specs say "safe speed" 20kmh, does this mean its set to it? In China, where the manufacturers are, there's some kind of 20kph speed limit mandate for personal electric vehicles. That's why they used to flat out lie about the wheels having a top speed of 20kph (just for the spec sheet). They mellowed that down to "safe speed" without mentioning any other speed (like the real top speed). It means absolutely nothing. The MSPro will as fast at is is going to be. How fast that is? We will see. Edited January 29, 2020 by meepmeepmayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 @EMA and @mrelwood Good guesses! I didn't think the voltage drop would possibly give away the battery size. No one got it 100% correct but you got the majority of it right. The wheels were a 1230wh MSX and the 1800wh MSP. Rider Flyboy is lighter than rider Nick by maybe 25 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: @EMA and @mrelwood Good guesses! I didn't think the voltage drop would possibly give away the battery size. No one got it 100% correct but you got the majority of it right. The wheels were a 1230wh MSX and the 1800wh MSP. Rider Flyboy is lighter than rider Nick by maybe 25 lbs. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefteris Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 8:35 PM, Seba said: This is a problem how Gotway protocol is handled. It's because wheel data is sent in chunks and each chunk trigger CSV line write. I however decided to rewrite Gotway support entirely from scratch. This week I will get Nikola, so I will be able to finish & test it. And a request add an option when a Gotway wheel is connected to be able to see the battery real time like its now but a measure of the last 5 or 10 or 15 seconds like when wheels like ninebot do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 4:15 PM, Planemo said: So several people are saying the MSX has tiltback even when turned off? I have never seen (whilst checking alarms via lift speeds) or felt any tiltback on mine, but then I havent actually measured it either. Maybe I will. Intrigued. it doesn't feel like tiltback, it feels more like a gradual incline based on speed, subconsiously keeps you from going full speed without realising, this is why i think it's awesome and underappreciated 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrd777 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 I gave the pro a quick go today, it’s certainly a fabulous wheel, however I don’t see it in the category of an upgrade if you already own a 84v or 100volt. The wheel definitely has more “roll on” speed, however not enough to call it “Pro” On the new dual speaker ( for those who care ) it’s still not there, terribly quality. The side button cutoff switch is awkward, and you would probably be better off turning off the wheel if you have a flight of stairs to conquest. Overall I’m disappointed .. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Mrd777 said: I gave the pro a quick go today, it’s certainly a fabulous wheel, however I don’t see it in the category of an upgrade if you already own a 84v or 100volt. The wheel definitely has more “roll on” speed, however not enough to call it “Pro” On the new dual speaker ( for those who care ) it’s still not there, terribly quality. The side button cutoff switch is awkward, and you would probably be better off turning off the wheel if you have a flight of stairs to conquest. Overall I’m disappointed .. By "roll on speed" do you mean acceleration? Still waiting for a Pro from EWheels (frustrating that everyone but EWheels seems to have a Pro for riding/testing) but I agree that "Pro" seems a bit of a joke. They should have gone with something like MSX+. Then again, I'm just going to call it MSP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: but I agree that "Pro" seems a bit of a joke It's pretty obvious they're still just trying to push their underwhelming 21700-based refreshes because of the benefit to them (the manufacturer) even though there's no real benefit (and potentially some drawbacks) for actual riders/consumers. Previous attempts to just market the 21700 cells didn't work, so now they throw a few half-assed features like a poorly implemented cutoff switch and add 'Pro' to the name... I gotta imagine the better dealers have been lukewarm on the 21700-based refreshes (for the same reasons the community is) which is why Gotway seems to be prioritizing getting them to any no-name shop that is willing to say how 'good' they are, instead of getting them in the hands of the real dealers first. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Afeez Kay Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Marty Backe said: By "roll on speed" do you mean acceleration? Still waiting for a Pro from EWheels (frustrating that everyone but EWheels seems to have a Pro for riding/testing) but I agree that "Pro" seems a bit of a joke. They should have gone with something like MSX+. Then again, I'm just going to call it MSP. erides.co.uk has not received the MSPro too for the UK market, but hopefully the MSPro should be delivered by UPS this week. In regards to the naming of the MSP, It was originally going to be called the MSX PRO, which would have probably been even more confusion, as it would suggest that this is a pro version of the eXtreme series of the MSuper lineage of Gotway wheels. I was responsible for brushing up the press release for the MSP and suggested to remove the 'X' and let this be another variation of the MSuper; effectively this is the Torque (high acceleration) version of the MSuper series. The torque(acceleration) will be useful for competition such as the Winter Games in Brussels, where circuit racing and being able to accelerate out of corners is important, as opposed to top speed. The steep pedal angle is suppose to aid better cornering. saying that it seems a tad bit too steep, lets see when I review the MSP. The improvements that I would suggest are: better trolley handle design, even if they could somehow have the scorpion type trolley that is present on the V10f. I would also suggest removing the speakers, use the extra space to expand the battery capacity with higher quality 21700 cells batteries (I believe Sanyo makes the best in the business, but then again the price of the wheel will increase), thus improving the range and performance of the MSPro. Then it may be worthy of the name 'Pro' Edited February 3, 2020 by Afeez Kay 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrd777 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: By "roll on speed" do you mean acceleration? Hey Marty. There doesn't seem to be more acceleration from a standstill like we experience with our mcm5's... I just feel more power from 15mph, then "rolling on" to 25mph. ( but not a lot) By the way the NYC crew I was with, really put these wheels to the test. fearless.. As I mentioned my expectations were high, and was let down being excited about this new motor. We tested (gps) where the 80% beep level started on a fairly full battery and it was 32mph. I can totally understand your frustration why you haven't got your hands on a "pro", we are all curious of your opinion. Jason might be scootered up at the moment ..lol Edited February 3, 2020 by Mrd777 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Mrd777 said: Hey Marty. There doesn't seem to be more acceleration from a standstill like we experience with our mcm5's... I just feel more power from 15mph, then "rolling on" to 25mph. ( but not a lot) By the way the NYC crew I was with, really put these wheels to the test. fearless.. As I mentioned my expectations were high, and was let down being excited about this new motor. We tested (gps) where the 80% beep level started on a fairly full battery and it was 32mph. I can totally understand your frustration why you haven't got your hands on a "pro", we are all curious of your opinion. Jason might be scootered up at the moment ..lol Mickey, in NYC, has the EWheels MSP. As soon as he's done with it I'm supposed to get it. He's had it for over a week now but I haven't heard a peep from him. Hopefully I'll get it before March. 32mph is OK for me, but that sounds particularly slow for an MSX. Lots of people won't like for that reason. I'm just interested to see how it does in the mountains. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefteris Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 The hills, the best testing area for an EUC, most of them burn-out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Does anyone know the Kv rating on the MSP motor vs the MSX motor? Seems like Gotway didn’t maintain the Kv when changing to the MSP 2500W motor from the MSX 2000W motor. If so, they went with thinner wires around the longer magnets, to produce higher torque, at the expense of speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, Asphalt said: Does anyone know the Kv rating on the MSP motor vs the MSX motor? Seems like Gotway didn’t maintain the Kv when changing to the MSP 2500W motor from the MSX 2000W motor. Seems so: 29 minutes ago, Asphalt said: If so, they went with thinner wires around the longer magnets, to produce higher torque, at the expense of speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 12:55 PM, Marty Backe said: 32mph is OK for me, but that sounds particularly slow for an MSX. Lots of people won't like for that reason. This maybe explains their motivation for making a 20" version. The new motor would have more top speed with a larger wheel (given the same rpm). Of course you're losing torque by increasing wheel size. I DO like to ride my Gotway's near the 48kph tiltback often, so that doesn't leave much headroom to 32mph. But a Monster or a larger-wheel MSX with more torque could be fun too. I find the stability of the Monster really compelling. But it sounds like the difference in torque is marginal? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) On 2/4/2020 at 10:16 PM, erk1024 said: This maybe explains their motivation for making a 20" version. The new motor would have more top speed with a larger wheel (given the same rpm). Of course you're losing torque by increasing wheel size. I DO like to ride my Gotway's near the 48kph tiltback often, so that doesn't leave much headroom to 32mph. But a Monster or a larger-wheel MSX with more torque could be fun too. I find the stability of the Monster really compelling. But it sounds like the difference in torque is marginal? 33mph is three beeps for a 70kg rider MSP is notMSX V2, it is a somewhat different variant to the MSuper series. When you ride the MSP at speeds over 10mph, then you start to understand what the MSP brings to the market. MSP is not MSX V2 Edited February 6, 2020 by Afeez Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Afeez Kay said: 33mph is three beeps for a 70kg rider Just to confirm, did Andy not ride it with the alarms off, meaning it would have been the 5 beep alarm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Afeez Kay said: 33mph is three beeps for a 70kg rider Weight doesn't matter, the 80% alarm on Gotways is actually just a speed alarm. That's been established and confirmed a few times. But yeah, I think it would work because I wouldn't go faster than 31mph, and that's probably enough below 33mph that I wouldn't hit the beeps and in theory, 20% torque left. I'd also say that "extra acceleration after 10mph" is kind of the vibe the 100V Monster V3 has as well. It's slower from the start, but the acceleration doesn't seem to taper off much and before you know it, you're going 50kph. So then the question is: is the extra oomf out of the new motor worth shelling out the cash for? And I think we won't know until more folks (e.g. @Marty Backe) have a chance to ride it. Edited February 6, 2020 by erk1024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, erk1024 said: Weight doesn't matter, the 80% alarm on Gotways is actually just a speed alarm. That's been established and confirmed a few times. But yeah, I think it would work because I wouldn't go faster than 31mph, and that's probably enough below 33mph that I wouldn't hit the beeps and in theory, 20% torque left. I'd also say that "extra acceleration after 10mph" is kind of the vibe the 100V Monster V3 has as well. It's slower from the start, but the acceleration doesn't seem to taper off much and before you know it, you're going 50kph. So then the question is: is the extra oomf out of the new motor worth shelling out the cash for? And I think we won't know until more folks (e.g. @Marty Backe) have a chance to ride it. I am liking it so far. It has some grunt. Will have to get lean pads to really tap into that torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Planemo Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, erk1024 said: Weight doesn't matter, the 80% alarm on Gotways is actually just a speed alarm. Its not just a speed alarm, its based on voltage too. So a heavier rider will create more duress and therefore more battery sag = lower speed when beeps trigger. Its also why the 80% lift speed on my 84v MSX is 36mph but 32/33 is about all I get when riding it. A lighter rider might get 34/35 before beeps. And I have confirmed that the alarm heard on the MSPro at 33mph was indeed the final 5 beep alarm. I wanted to clear that up because some may have thought it was the 2nd alarm when it was referred to as '3 beeps'. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 what about pedal angle ? it's the same or not ? no one speaks about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FlyboyEUC Posted February 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2020 11 hours ago, EMA said: what about pedal angle ? it's the same or not ? no one speaks about that The pedal angle is so steep that everyone omits it because it is ridiculously steep. Most also don't mention it because it can be easily filed down to make it flatter. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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