FreeRide Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 hours ago, gon2fast said: I have been informed that the MS Pro may ship (US) in April. It may ship in March as they say, or in April, it may ship in May, or may even ship in February, it may it may, but June is not out of the question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 11:43 PM, Shad0z said: Something even more powerful will come out just a bit later. I saw the torque ratings. MTen4 Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Afeez Kay Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) my thoughts on the MS Pro.. The Gotway MSuper Pro. Reminds me of when Tesla released the Tesla Model Y. While on the outside, it is almost identical to the Tesla Model 3, some are now realising that the similarities are more than just skin deep, the adjustments in dimensions to the height and lift gate, not to mention the internal wiring of the Model Y makes it a more usable car and technologically advanced than the Tesla Model 3. The same can be said of the MSuper Pro(MSP) and it’s predecessor the MSuper X (MSX) You see, the MSP may look like a slight variation of the MSX but it is an entirely different animal. The 2600w motor, robust main board with bigger components, the new tyre thread, the now somewhat functional side vents, the lift sensor button(designed for right handed people, why Gotway 😆) and the double headlight, all add up to a machine that points to a superior EUC to its predecessor, the MSX. Shame I won’t have the MSP with me when I go to Brussels on the 7th for the winter games for rideables. When I had the opportunity to sit and have a meal with the owner of Gotway, he said his products are performance oriented, so I doubt Gotway will produce a wheel that will be a step back to the MSX. I will be getting my hands on the MSP very soon and will review the wheel with the EUC Tribe here in London, UK 🇬🇧. Sure, I would have liked a better trolley handle, and a wheel that doesn’t have headlights reminiscent of a spider’s🕷 eyes 👀 😆, but let’s be clear, the MSuper series was never designed for convenience, or for good looks, the MSuper series is a performance series, such as what the M series is to BMW, GT to Porsche and AMG to Mercedes. If you want to look good in group rides, get the Nikola... I know, I have one 😁 If you want convenience, get the KS16X. If you want an unapologetically, raw performance Electric Unicycle, get the MSuper Pro..🙌🏾😎 Edited January 21, 2020 by Afeez Kay 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said: robust main board with bigger components Do you have any concrete info on that? Type of mosfets and casing? Etc? The photos show ~50% bigger capacitors, but that alone means not much I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Afeez Kay Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Do you have any concrete info on that? Type of mosfets and casing? Etc? The photos show ~50% bigger capacitors, but that alone means not much I think. I get two in two weeks.. will try to report back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Do you have any concrete info on that? Type of mosfets and casing? Etc? The photos show ~50% bigger capacitors, but that alone means not much I think. Notice the much beefier DC-to-DC converter??? According to Jason that's been a weak point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) I thought the new model would have the Nicola/ACM flat-sandpaper pedals. Maybe that would be retailer-specific.She's a beaut though! No doubt about it! ..oh the speakers though, seem an obviously, laughably bad idea right? That's not just me who was like ..wha? Hahaha. Edited January 23, 2020 by Hatchet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hatchet said: oh the speakers though, seem an obviously, laughably bad idea right? That's not just me who was like ..wha? Hahaha. I did message gotway on facebook about this. Looks like they are at least looking a putting a "mesh" cover over them. I think they have got a lot of questions about that and the cut off button with the seat. Edited January 23, 2020 by scap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Brown Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Is it safe to assume that there are enough little changes to this wheel to be worried about first batch issues, or does having the MSX base make this a safer buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cory Brown said: Is it safe to assume that there are enough little changes to this wheel to be worried about first batch issues, or does having the MSX base make this a safer buy? It's a similar jump to the previous MSV3 -> MSX. (Did MSX first batch have issues?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted January 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RagingGrandpa said: It's a similar jump to the previous MSV3 -> MSX. (Did MSX first batch have issues?) No. The MSX was probably the best launch that Gotway ever had. It's been a very solid wheel. Unfortunately that's not a predictor for future releases. I'm afraid it's always a bit of a crap shoot with Gotway. Actually, IMO, it's a bit of a crap shoot with any wheel. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 18 hours ago, scap said: I did message gotway on facebook about this. Looks like they are at least looking a putting a "mesh" cover over them. I think they have got a lot of questions about that and the cut off button with the seat. I'd at least try to move them to the top of the wheel on the slope in front of/behind the handle so they point up at you in a cone instead of directly outward. Then you have the water issue with rain. Still, the tech exists, I see waterproof shower speakers on amazon, Gotway have access to this tech right? I'd really much rather no speakers than poorly-thought-out speakers I'd end up watching a 'how to fix' youtube video with @Marty Backe, ha. We'll see what they do, maybe it'll all be ok! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Cory Brown said: Is it safe to assume that there are enough little changes to this wheel to be worried about first batch issues, or does having the MSX base make this a safer buy? The jump to the stronger motor and 21700 batteries likely necessitates a new control board and firmware. There’s going to be more heat as well, with the dual headlights and potentially higher current draw with the new motor-battery combo. That’s a few too many possible failure points for my liking. I’m waiting for Marty’s Overheat Hill and range tests, Kuji’s max acceleration, braking and jumping tests, and Chooch’s off-road durability test, before I order the MSP. It’d be great to see Chris and Tishawn’s NYC maneuvering tests too, but I don’t know if they’re still videoing their rides much these days. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 3:19 AM, meepmeepmayer said: The MSPro mosfet casings look different (smaller gap between them? They're further under the board). I wonder if they use different mosfets. Also the capacitors are bigger (literally, and 1000 mF instead of 560). I wonder if this means something. Capacitors seems to be the same or very similar physical size. They have higher capacity, but lower rated voltage (100 V) because the wheel is 84 V. Capacitors in 100V Nikola are rated for 160 V. In theory, higher capacity means lower equivalent series resistance which is good, but in practice this is negligible for this case. MOSFETs are TO-247, probably the same as in other recent GW models. MOSFETs never were a weak point, as entire setup provide enormous load margin in terms of electric current. If TO-247 MOSFET failed, it was always a problem with lack of proper cooling or manufacturing faults (soldering errors etc.) IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Cory Brown said: Is it safe to assume that there are enough little changes to this wheel to be worried about first batch issues, or does having the MSX base make this a safer buy? 100v board are basically the same, nikola, msx, monster ... solid stuff we are riding for a while the battery too, nothing to worry about, specially when it's bigger the real change in this wheel is the motor, it's bigger, so it could draw more amps when pushing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Seba said: They have higher capacity, but lower rated voltage (100 V) because the wheel is 84 V. The MSP will be 100V according to the first post on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 16 hours ago, Cory Brown said: Is it safe to assume that there are enough little changes to this wheel to be worried about first batch issues, or does having the MSX base make this a safer buy? I decided to take my chances rather than buy the current MSX 100V and already have my deposit in for one of the first ones. I will still be monitoring the reviews and youtube as I think the popular youtubers will likely get to ride the wheel before the rest of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, scap said: The MSP will be 100V according to the first post on this thread. Then the pic of the board above either isnt an MSX Pro or GW are going to release an 84v Pro as well. You dont run 100v capacitors on a 100v wheel. Well spotted Seba. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Marty Backe said: No. The MSX was probably the best launch that Gotway ever had. It's been a very solid wheel. The very first MSXs had a strong 7 degree tiltback ”feature” that was supposed to give more stability at speed. But this was immediately removed/reduced. It could’ve been on pre-production demo units though, but I do remember at least three reports/reviews mentioning this. 14 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Unfortunately that's not a predictor for future releases. I’m afraid it's always a bit of a crap shoot with Gotway. That I do agree with.... Best to buy from a reputable distributor if one has to get aboard with the first batch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Quote You dont run 100v capacitors on a 100v wheel. The 100V MSX at least at some point did have capacitors rated at 100V. Just one of those Gotwayisms I guess... Edited January 24, 2020 by mrelwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, Planemo said: You dont run 100v capacitors on a 100v wheel. Especially that 100 V is just simplification, in fact 24S battery reach 100.8 V when fully charged, may even reach 102 V and mor eduring longer regenerative charging. Electrolytic caps are very sensitive to overvoltage and vents..... pufffffff.... ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It is now up on Loomo (Ali) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000651015942.html?pid=808_0002_0101&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.4000651015942&aff_trace_key=657650d61ef9471396b4421bb8b4bc94-1579527904494-09948-Y7bAZbY&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=4799amp-SacC2aMMRcDxDn9TGrz0uw1579864633359&browser_id=e2b67cec2288426ebf5dbae024a1357d&is_c=N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I don't want to order one now, but if they always write "including TAX", does that mean that there are absolutely no more taxes to pay in Europe? That means inclusive of customs duty and sales tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, buell47 said: I don't want to order one now, but if they always write "including TAX", does that mean that there are absolutely no more taxes to pay in Europe? That means inclusive of customs duty and sales tax. Correct. Just make sure to get it in print via the AliExpress messaging function. So you just ask them... they answer and verify that there will be no additional costs. To be on the safe side. None of my friends who have ordered from Ali have ever had to pay any taxes or customs or similar. My MSX came from Intelligent Walking Store and was sent from China. Some of my friends got their wheels from the European stock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Thanks Mike, you are right. I didn't think this was possible unless the shipments came from a European warehouse. Here their answer for other interested people: Hello dear. You don’t need pay any customs tax. We will pay the import sales tax. You don’t any other cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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