stephen Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: According to my range test completed today, I'm afraid @stephen's fat ass won't make 80-miles, but you're probably in the ballpark ☹️,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,😂 Edited July 8, 2020 by stephen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) Kuji Rolls Facebook post 1Hour ago "Got about five miles before the new street tire got unseated and the inner tube popped. Not sure of root cause, but maybe my preference of 15-20psi pressures had something to do with it." Edited July 8, 2020 by fbhb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Wow thats alarming, even at 15psi. It has a thick bead too, looks almost like a tubeless motorbike tyre. Even less reason for it to pop off. I am wondering if the skinny euc rim is too narrow for the intended fitment of that tyre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted July 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Planemo said: Wow thats alarming, even at 15psi. It has a thick bead too, looks almost like a tubeless motorbike tyre. Even less reason for it to pop off. I am wondering if the skinny euc rim is too narrow for the intended fitment of that tyre. Yep, it is a 2.75-14 Kenda K340 motorcycle tire he just put on the Sherman yesterday! Having said that, the Knobby Kenda is the same motorcycle sized tire too and has had no issues at Kuji's lower pressures. Edited July 8, 2020 by fbhb 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Planemo said: Wow thats alarming, even at 15psi. It has a thick bead too, looks almost like a tubeless motorbike tyre. Even less reason for it to pop off. I am wondering if the skinny euc rim is too narrow for the intended fitment of that tyre. Looks like it, and not by a little. Much stiffer tread area on the street version. I wonder what the ACTUAL tire measurements are. No doubt, running so low on such a heavy wheel, with a tread profile that is both stiff and wide for the rim. Not great to see, but i wonder if a reasonable amount of pressure, would have mitigated this as it seems it was side load induced? Im sure Kuji will air it up and try again. Edited July 8, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted July 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Jon Stern said: Nothing phallic about this picture whatsoever. No, sirree! Better now? (Sorry Marty I could not resist😋) 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted July 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 hours ago, fbhb said: Kuji Rolls Facebook post 1Hour ago "Got about five miles before the new street tire got unseated and the inner tube popped. Not sure of root cause, but maybe my preference of 15-20psi pressures had something to do with it." @UniVehje recently tried a Veerubber tire that looked like a good fit for his 18XL. It had the same issue, the tire wouldn’t stay on the rim and started to bulge. He catched it early enough not to have anything sudden happen while riding, but after a few retries searing the tire we concluded that the tire just isn’t a suitable fit. Not sure how this is possible, or whether it could be just a manufacturing one-off, but it does rarely happen. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 Gotway Died For Me Today I just returned from a 26-mile 5300-ft climb to the top of Mt Baldy. I rode it hard and fast and pretended I had an infinite battery - zero battery management. I arrived in a record 1 hour and 20 minutes to the top of the ski lifts. I had five out of eight bars remaining, 89 volts. After riding down the mountain 26-miles I had five out of eight bars and 87 volts. It was an absolutely amazing ride. I honestly have no desire to ride any of my Gotway wheels and certainly not any KingSong. Sure, those other wheels still have their purposes, but my God, when you just want to go out and ride, the Sherman is incredible. I say this after now having ridden the wheel for 295-miles. Give yourself 50-miles of riding before passing judgement :-) I do feel a little melancholy saying this because Gotway has been such a great brand for me. My message is for the passionate EUC riders out there. It's not the perfect wheel for walking your dog, shopping, mellow rides in the woods, etc. But if you want to ride like the wind without a care in the world, get a Sherman! 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Mt Baldy. That's overheat hill/includes overheat hill? Could you/do you want to take a look at the motor wires/conbectors after the ride!? Would be interesting if the show any signs of burden/heat after a climbing/burden test! Should be easy accessible according to https://ecodrift.ru/2020/07/05/razbiraem-veteran-sherman-iz-pervoj-postavki-mnogo-udivitelnyh-otkrytij/ (ecodrifts teardown report)? 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: But if you want to ride like the wind without a care in the world, get a Sherman! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chriull said: That's overheat hill/includes overheat hill? Could you/do you want to take a look at the motor wires/conbectors after the ride!? Would be interesting if the show any signs of burden/heat after a climbing/burden test! Should be easy accessible according to https://ecodrift.ru/2020/07/05/razbiraem-veteran-sherman-iz-pervoj-postavki-mnogo-udivitelnyh-otkrytij/ (ecodrifts teardown report)? Yes, I know about the melting wires issue. I will be opening and inspecting the wires before I do my test and then afterwards. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTilt Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Chriull said: Should be easy accessible according to https://ecodrift.ru/2020/07/05/razbiraem-veteran-sherman-iz-pervoj-postavki-mnogo-udivitelnyh-otkrytij/ (ecodrifts teardown report)? The significant dirt and rust on the bearings, magnets and motor windings for a brand new wheel is concerning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will R Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Yes, I know about the melting wires issue. I will be opening and inspecting the wires before I do my test and then afterwards. This is gonna be fun to watch 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will R Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, FullTilt said: The significant dirt and rust on the bearings, magnets and motor windings for a brand new wheel is concerning. Veteran have said that that was an isolated issue in the very first pre-pro batch, of which ecodrift received their first wheel. This is not apparently inclusive of the production models. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippoPig Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, Will R said: Veteran have said that that was an isolated issue in the very first pre-pro batch, of which ecodrift received their first wheel. This is not apparently inclusive of the production models. Phew 😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patton250 Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 I sense grasping at straws‘s to find flaws. LOL that rhymes. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 It looks like @palachzzz has added Veteran Sherman support to WheelLog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryman Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Gotway Died For Me Today I just returned from a 26-mile 5300-ft climb to the top of Mt Baldy. I rode it hard and fast and pretended I had an infinite battery - zero battery management. I arrived in a record 1 hour and 20 minutes to the top of the ski lifts. I had five out of eight bars remaining, 89 volts. After riding down the mountain 26-miles I had five out of eight bars and 87 volts. It was an absolutely amazing ride. I honestly have no desire to ride any of my Gotway wheels and certainly not any KingSong. Sure, those other wheels still have their purposes, but my God, when you just want to go out and ride, the Sherman is incredible. I say this after now having ridden the wheel for 295-miles. Give yourself 50-miles of riding before passing judgement :-) I do feel a little melancholy saying this because Gotway has been such a great brand for me. My message is for the passionate EUC riders out there. It's not the perfect wheel for walking your dog, shopping, mellow rides in the woods, etc. But if you want to ride like the wind without a care in the world, get a Sherman! Marty, PM me your wife's cell. I need to warn her that you have a unhealthy relationship starting here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 I love this wheel, but I'm not too sure it's for me. Lately I've been doing more on-road cruising and less off-roading, but any wheel I get needs to be able to do everything, and I have my doubts whether this (or me, as the rider trying to control it) would fair well in very technical, off-road sections where the 16X or the MSP excel (which is why I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing some off-road riding, overheat hill, etc. on it). But even if it does prove capable, at that weight point (1/2 my weight), I don't really see it being ideal for long off-road sections with a lot of weight shifting and slow riding. Probably not what it was designed for. But this is just subjective conjecture based on zero evidence, Veteran might blow our minds yet again as they raise the bar in every single department (with their very first wheel!) On the other hand, even if I didn't plan on doing any off-roading on it, I'm not too sure I'd trust myself with this wheel. I trust myself with my Kingsongs, I trust I'd be able to responsibly adapt to an MSP, but I'd never heard, from any non-NYC rider, anything like "this wheel is screaming to be ridden fast". If you (Marty) are cruising it at 50 km/h when your usual cruising speed on GWs is 40 km/h, and I'm considering upgrading to a GW because I'm starting to find 45 km/h too slow, I really (and sadly) don't think it would be wise to get the Sherman, I'd probably end up seriously hurting myself and/or someone else before the I hit the 1,000 km mark on it... The good news (for me) is...this is Veteran's first wheel. Seeing how many things they got right, I might just postpone that upgrade to the MSP and see what Veteran has in store. An 1800Wh, more torque-oriented Sherman (MSP competitor), but with Veteran quality is definitely something I'm willing to wait for before forking out what the MSP costs, when I'm not too sold on the shell durability, having to grind down the pedals upon receiving it, the exposed speakers, etc. If the Sherman has proved anything to me, it's that anything Gotway can do, they can do better. It also looks like they've taken the best from all MFs, so I have the feeling that whatever they decide to make (slower city-wheel with speakers and flashy lights, a high-torque off-roader, with or without suspension...), they'll do it well. May the waiting game begin... Then again, how patient I and responsible I can be remains to be seen. If the Sherman proves great off-road, I might end up ordering one, and drafting my will while I wait for it to arrive 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bvoland Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 6:27 PM, Marty Backe said: Here's where I'm going to capture all of my Veteran Sherman experiences. In this picture you can see me with the EWheels supplied wheel, via NYC. The pads are separate generic power pads that EWheels had made by KingSong. I have placed my order for this wheel and after ~75-miles of riding it, I have absolutely zero regrets with the purchase. Marty, I appreciate you directing me to your Sherman thread. I have been reading through your comments and thoughts on the wheel and decided to quote you in this section because it sums it up nicely. I purchased my first wheel the Nikola Plus in 8/19 based on watching your review of the 84V and 100V and decided on the 100V even though it was my first wheel. I am sort of a speed demon and so elected to go with the 100V and it has been an amazing wheel and could not be happier. I am now looking for a cruising wheel that is still off road capable but mainly for long rides at higher speeds. I believe the Veteran Sherman will definitely do that for me and in watching your first video on the Veteran Sherman I could see your thrill and excitement and I do not think I have seen that from you before so rather than wait to compare it with the New Monster Pro. I just sent an email to Jason at eWheels and will be ordering my wheel. Thanks for your great content and keep up the great work for the EUC community. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Bvoland said: Marty, I appreciate you directing me to your Sherman thread. I have been reading through your comments and thoughts on the wheel and decided to quote you in this section because it sums it up nicely. I purchased my first wheel the Nikola Plus in 8/19 based on watching your review of the 84V and 100V and decided on the 100V even though it was my first wheel. I am sort of a speed demon and so elected to go with the 100V and it has been an amazing wheel and could not be happier. I am now looking for a cruising wheel that is still off road capable but mainly for long rides at higher speeds. I believe the Veteran Sherman will definitely do that for me and in watching your first video on the Veteran Sherman I could see your thrill and excitement and I do not think I have seen that from you before so rather than wait to compare it with the New Monster Pro. I just sent an email to Jason at eWheels and will be ordering my wheel. Thanks for your great content and keep up the great work for the EUC community. I truly believe you will not be disappointed! Thanks for the comments Edited July 9, 2020 by Marty Backe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 57 minutes ago, travsformation said: I love this wheel, but I'm not too sure it's for me. Lately I've been doing more on-road cruising and less off-roading, but any wheel I get needs to be able to do everything, and I have my doubts whether this (or me, as the rider trying to control it) would fair well in very technical, off-road sections where the 16X or the MSP excel (which is why I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing some off-road riding, overheat hill, etc. on it). But even if it does prove capable, at that weight point (1/2 my weight), I don't really see it being ideal for long off-road sections with a lot of weight shifting and slow riding. Probably not what it was designed for. But this is just subjective conjecture based on zero evidence, Veteran might blow our minds yet again as they raise the bar in every single department (with their very first wheel!) On the other hand, even if I didn't plan on doing any off-roading on it, I'm not too sure I'd trust myself with this wheel. I trust myself with my Kingsongs, I trust I'd be able to responsibly adapt to an MSP, but I'd never heard, from any non-NYC rider, anything like "this wheel is screaming to be ridden fast". If you (Marty) are cruising it at 50 km/h when your usual cruising speed on GWs is 40 km/h, and I'm considering upgrading to a GW because I'm starting to find 45 km/h too slow, I really (and sadly) don't think it would be wise to get the Sherman, I'd probably end up seriously hurting myself and/or someone else before the I hit the 1,000 km mark on it... The good news (for me) is...this is Veteran's first wheel. Seeing how many things they got right, I might just postpone that upgrade to the MSP and see what Veteran has in store. An 1800Wh, more torque-oriented Sherman (MSP competitor), but with Veteran quality is definitely something I'm willing to wait for before forking out what the MSP costs, when I'm not too sold on the shell durability, having to grind down the pedals upon receiving it, the exposed speakers, etc. If the Sherman has proved anything to me, it's that anything Gotway can do, they can do better. It also looks like they've taken the best from all MFs, so I have the feeling that whatever they decide to make (slower city-wheel with speakers and flashy lights, a high-torque off-roader, with or without suspension...), they'll do it well. May the waiting game begin... Then again, how patient I and responsible I can be remains to be seen. If the Sherman proves great off-road, I might end up ordering one, and drafting my will while I wait for it to arrive I agree that the Sherman is not a great wheel for technical off-road riding. But God, is it a thrilling wheel for road/pavement riding 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 The Weight! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I agree that the Sherman is not a great wheel for technical off-road riding. But God, is it a thrilling wheel for road/pavement riding Well it certainly has the coolest tire for off roading of any wheel I’ve seen come standard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I agree that the Sherman is not a great wheel for technical off-road riding. But God, is it a thrilling wheel for road/pavement riding So Marty, I'm really interested in this wheel. But what would be the advantage over my Monster V3? I ride it at 50km/h basically all the time, and I don't have stability problems. So the reason to get one of these would be acceleration and range? Why don't you ride your Monster at 50km/h? Is the Veteran as stable as the Monster? Edited July 9, 2020 by erk1024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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