My Sherman Trials, Tribulations, and Triumphs

[meepmeepmayer]

3 minutes ago, eve said:

The real question is why is it called Veteran Sherman. Shouldnt it be LeaperKim Sherman?  @Marty Backe do you know anything about this?

See here:

On 6/13/2020 at 9:01 AM, Ben Kim said:

Leaperkim is the company and Veteran is the brand, sort of how Kebye is the company and Gotway is the brand.  You're overthinking things.

[Girth Brooks]

On 7/7/2020 at 1:02 AM, Blueblade said:

 Now only if they can figure out some suspension for this thing, and maybe it would be the ultimate offroad wheel ever!

I am dying to buy a new wheel and my next will have suspension. After seeing all the reviews of this wheel, I am locked in to wait it out until Sherman (hopefully) makes a suspension wheel.

[eve]

Oh thanks meep. :O I see.

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, eve said:

The real question is why is it called Veteran Sherman. Shouldnt it be LeaperKim Sherman?  @Marty Backe do you know anything about this?

LeaperKim is the "Corporate" name I'm guessing. Did you know that Gotway is actually KEBYE?

1 hour ago, Girth Brooks said:

I am dying to buy a new wheel and my next will have suspension. After seeing all the reviews of this wheel, I am locked in to wait it out until Sherman (hopefully) makes a suspension wheel.

You're probably in for a long wait 

[erk1024]

13 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

LeaperKim is the "Corporate" name I'm guessing. Did you know that Gotway is actually KEBYE?

I've heard the Chevrolet doesn't even make the Corvette, it's actually some company named "General Motors". Sounds like some shady corporation. And Chevrolet is just a "brand name"--whatever that is. All I know is that Corvette's go really fast, and that's good enough for me.  

Edited July 10, 2020 by erk1024

[shellac]

5 hours ago, travsformation said:

He does mention at 7:34 that you have to hit obstacles straight on, with the wheel upright, since if you hit them at an angle, it's easy to scrape the tubing. Not the kind of consideration I'd want to have on the back of my mind while riding a "19-inch" wheel. Then again, this wheel is still ridiculously alluring, I want it anyway 😅

 

I’m confused by this statement. What’s meant by scraping the tubing? You mean the sidewall of the tire or the actual tube that’s inside the tire? 

[fbhb]

2 minutes ago, shellac said:

I’m confused by this statement. What’s meant by scraping the tubing? You mean the sidewall of the tire or the actual tube that’s inside the tire? 

He means the metal tubing that wraps around the shell.

[erk1024]

2 minutes ago, shellac said:

I’m confused by this statement. What’s meant by scraping the tubing? You mean the sidewall of the tire or the actual tube that’s inside the tire?

I think he means the metal tubes on the outside. If you watch Hsaing's video, they couldn't climb stairs because they'd hit the corner of the exterior metal tubing. 

[shellac]

3 minutes ago, fbhb said:

He means the metal tubing that wraps around the shell.

Ah that makes sense. I’m used to calling that the roll bar. 

[Marty Backe]

On 7/6/2020 at 10:41 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

Latest video I see on your channel is your unboxing

I'm confused as apparently you are. I have various Sherman videos on my channel and of course they've all been posted in this thread.

[Marty Backe]

 

[Tazarinho]

4 hours ago, travsformation said:

So are you ordering a Sherman then? 

If I do, either the wheel or my girlfriend will probably kill me.  

For me the range, combined with good handling are what's most appealing.
The speed is scary and enticing at the same time, but it's a powerful drug, and as with most drugs,  the more you cross the line, the more the line fades and rematerialises a little bit further. And the faster you have gone, the more lower speeds seem boring. So you keep telling yourself you're on the good side of the line.

I think this wheel has a very high potential of causing serious injury, not just because it can go so fast as there are other very fast wheels. But this one seems to make it seem so effortless and drags you into the deep end before you know it.

Only Ian from speedyfeet seems to have resisted so far, keeping tiltback at 43 km/h.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Tazarinho
double post

[Marty Backe]

9 minutes ago, Tazarinho said:

If I do, either the wheel or my girlfriend will probably kill me.  

For me the range, combined with good handling are what's most appealing.
The speed is scary and enticing at the same time, but it's a powerful drug, and as with most drugs,  the more you cross the line, the more the line fades and rematerialises a little bit further. And the faster you have gone, the more lower speeds seem boring. So you keep telling yourself you're on the good side of the line.

I think this wheel has a very high potential of causing serious injury, not just because it can go so fast as there are other very fast wheels. But this one seems to make it seem so effortless and drags you into the deep end before you know it.

Only Ian from speedyfeet seems to have resisted so far, keeping tiltback at 43 km/h.

That really does seem insanely slow in 2020, even for me. If I were to cap the speed I'd be comfortable at 50km/h.

I think Ian just says that for the video because he has to project a safe image. I bet he secretly rides faster when the camera isn't out 

[Ben Kim]

4 hours ago, eve said:

The real question is why is it called Veteran Sherman. Shouldnt it be LeaperKim Sherman?  @Marty Backe do you know anything about this?

Why aren’t the MSX monster and Nikola not called Kebye? 

[Marty Backe]

First Serious Off-Road Experience

 

This afternoon I had an opportunity to finally take the Sherman on some serious off-road trails. I think I could sell my MSP, which I wasn't expecting to be able to say.

I assumed because of its mass that the Sherman probably was not going to excel here. I was wrong! It exhibits amazing low-speed torque and is very nimble. I love the tire. If you have any trails in your future I would seriously consider sticking with this tire instead of going for the road tire. It eats up everything. Even though the tire is essentially the identical size of what's on the MSX/MSP, the tread is much beefier which ends up extending to the sides also. The effect is that the tire feels wider and is that much better than the MSP tire.

I climbed very steep and rugged hills, slowly, with the Sherman. No problem. It was a joy. Now going down hill was another story ...

Previously I had experienced some downhill rides where I needed to brake, and to be honest, it wasn't the greatest feeling. But the Sherman allows you, via the LCD panel, to change the tilt of the pedals forwards or backwards 1 to 5 degrees, in 1-degree increments. Takes literally about 15-seconds.

So at the top of one of these steep hills, I reached down and tilted the pedals 2-degrees forward. Wow, what a difference. I could descend the hill slowly in total control without having to squeeze the shell for dear life. A great experience.

Oh, and the temp's were in the high 80's and after various strenuous activities, the Sherman never went above 65-degrees Celsius

I'm doing my Overheat Hill test this Sunday morning, including letting heavyweight @Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" give it a spin. After today I have confidence that it's going to perform brilliantly.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Marty Backe

[travsformation]

Damn it! The thing is, I agree with the below statement and sentiment 100%:

8 hours ago, Tazarinho said:

For me the range, combined with good handling are what's most appealing.
The speed is scary and enticing at the same time, but it's a powerful drug, and as with most drugs,  the more you cross the line, the more the line fades and rematerialises a little bit further. And the faster you have gone, the more lower speeds seem boring. So you keep telling yourself you're on the good side of the line.

I think this wheel has a very high potential of causing serious injury, not just because it can go so fast as there are other very fast wheels. But this one seems to make it seem so effortless and drags you into the deep end before you know it.

That's spot on! In my case, 35 km/h used to be my cruising speed, 40 km/h felt fast to me. Then 40 km/h became my cruising speed, with occasional 45km/h bursts. Now my cruising speed is 45 km/h and because I don't trust the 16X enough to push it any further, but I do want an upgrade so I can safely bump it up to 50 km/h with sufficient safety margin (looks like my speed/safety line moves up in 5 km/h increments). Coming from a Kingsong, the MSP would be a step up. But with the dihedral and whatnot, I reckon it'll feel awkward to ride and lower my confidence, which I think is a good thing: it'll force me to take it easy, be cautious, respect the wheel, learn how to ride it and slowly get a feel for it. 

All accounts on the Sherman stress how nice and comfortable to ride it is, how stable it is at speed, how riding it below 50 km/h feels slow. Simply put: I don't trust myself with this wheel.

Yet the Sherman's allure is strong, so when the responsible parts of my brain flounders, I remind my self of its potential shortcomings in terms of off-roading.

And then Marty goes and publishes this... 

2 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I assumed because of its mass that the Sherman probably was not going to excel here. I was wrong! It exhibits amazing low-speed torque and is very nimble.

I climbed very steep and rugged hills, slowly, with the Sherman. No problem. It was a joy.

I'm going to need a lot of self-discipline to keep from buying this wheel (and eventually killing myself). 😂

Marty, please tell me the clearance is crap, the roll bars constantly scrape against obstacles and it's in no way able to outdo the MSP for offroading 🙏😅

 

[travsformation]

2 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

So at the top of one of these steep hills, I reached down and tilted the pedals 2-degrees forward. Wow, what a difference. I could descend the hill slowly in total control without having to squeeze the shell for dear life. A great experience.

Tilting them FORWARD to get better control downhill??? I would have thought it would be better to tilt them back...

[meepmeepmayer]

11 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I'm confused as apparently you are. I have various Sherman videos on my channel and of course they've all been posted in this thread.

Everything is good, I see all your videos! That comment was long ago before you uploaded your first range test video (but you made it sound like it was already on Youtube). You answered twice that it wasn't up yet, so I think your own thread is confusing you Everything is good, I see all your videos.

[meepmeepmayer]

53 minutes ago, travsformation said:

Tilting them FORWARD to get better control downhill??? I would have thought it would be better to tilt them back...

Tiltforward means it is easier to push your heels down onto the rear part of the pedals and brake

[travsformation]

1 hour ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Tiltforward means it is easier to push your heels down onto the rear part of the pedals and brake

Thanks meep! That explains why I've been having slightly more trouble braking on my 16X since I tilted the pedals backward 1º for off-roading. It isn't bad, but enough that I noticed. I would have figured that the angle would predispose one's weight distribution backwards and make it easier, but yeah, it's harder to dig your heels it... 😅

[Dancer]

The K262 Sherman tire is developed for moto trials. They always ride at low pressure.

 

[Nekko 2]

On 7/10/2020 at 1:41 AM, Marty Backe said:

Great video. And those are the most impressive power pads that I've seen 

Thank you for all these videos you just just made about the Sherman. Overdue thanks as well for all the other ones that I've been following over the years ever since the days of ACM washing (we've come a long way).

Regarding off trail, in the french video, at 1:58 it says the Sherman is precise for spots requiring technique. Starting at 6:07 he shares his feelings about the Sherman. The lights are very powerful , with a much wider coverage than than any lights mounted on other wheels right now. Great for off roading with the only downside that you can blind incoming people though the vertical angle can be adjusted.

Around 7:15 he says that for those who have an 'extreme'  riding style the tire is awesome with an excellent grip and great for street riding as well as off road. He does mention that the tubular frame has to be kept in mind when off roading because while taking an obstacle facing head on is fine, hitting an obstacle with the side bars will make you fall. When it comes to jumping, don't expect MSX level agility especially if you pull the wheel while jumping because the Sherman is heavy, but you can jump using the speed and power of the wheel and pull it to a certain extent. For climbing steps, he says that it's doable, even without making too much noise (see demonstration). With some practice, you can lift the wheel and have the tire hit the edges of the steps and thus climb without too much trouble. Veteran is fairly tall so very stable but not as tall as the Monster so much more maneuverable : a good compromise.

On the tire again : very good on all type of terrains. The knobs are very comfy and since tightly spaced don't make too much noise. For off road riding, much better than an MSX with a regular tire. Safer and more comfortable.

Last detail : the trolley handle recedes inside the body of the wheel so in the case of a fall, it won't be so prone to breaking as is the case for the MSX handle .

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Nekko 2

[Marty Backe]

3 hours ago, travsformation said:

Thanks meep! That explains why I've been having slightly more trouble braking on my 16X since I tilted the pedals backward 1º for off-roading. It isn't bad, but enough that I noticed. I would have figured that the angle would predispose one's weight distribution backwards and make it easier, but yeah, it's harder to dig your heels it... 😅

If I don't want to be tilting the pedals forwards and backwards (for a bunch of trail riding), just leaving it 2-degrees backwards feels great. Braking is where it's most useful for me.

This dynamic ability with the Sherman is fantastic. You will love it.

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, Nekko 2 said:

Thank you for all these videos you just just made about the Sherman. Overdue thanks as well for all the other ones that I've been following over the years ever since the days of ACM washing (we've come a long way).

Regarding off trail, in the french video, at 1:58 it says the Sherman is precise for spots requiring technique. Starting at 6:07 he shares his feelings about the Sherman. The lights are very powerful , with a very wider coverage than than any lights mounted on other wheels right now. Great for off roading with the only downside that you can blind incoming people though the vertical angle can be adjusted.

Around 7:15 he says that for those who have an 'extreme'  riding style the tire is awesome with an excellent grip and great for street riding as well as off road. He does mention that the tubular frame has to be kept in mind when off roading because while taking an obstacle facing head on is fine, hitting an obstacle with the side bars will make you fall. When it comes to jumping, don't expect MSX level agility especially if you pull the wheel while jumping because the Sherman is heavy, but you can jump using the speed and power of the wheel and pull it to a certain extent. For climbing steps, he says that it's doable, even without making too much noise (see demonstration). With some practice, you can lift the wheel and have the tire hit the edges of the steps and thus climb without too much trouble. Veteran is fairly tall so very stable but not as tall as the Monster so much more maneuverable : a good compromise.

On the tire again : very good on all type of terrains. The knobs are very comfy and since tightly spaced don't make too much noise. For off road riding, much better than an MSX with a regular tire. Safer and more comfortable.

Last detail : the trolley handle recedes inside the body of the wheel so in the case of a fall, it won't be so prone to breaking as is the case for the MSX handle .

 

I really agree with all these statements  And I really love the tire. No way am I getting a street tire on my personal Sherman.

[Ben Kim]

DC rider hit 52 mph GPS verified on her Sherman today.