..... Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ben Kim said: The last few pages are tough to read. Seems enthusiasm for this wheel has hit rock bottom! Don't mind me, I'm always quick to react critically. I just want to be somewhat happy with this wheel so badly. If I didnt want it to succeed as much as I do, I wouldn't care enough to be disappointed. There's just so many choices out and more on the way each day. To be fair, I havent given other manufacturers so much s**t because I'm not that interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Hatfield Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I'm kinda surprised by the reverberations of that speedy feet review. The only concern I had before that review was the battery size. After the review? Battery size. Nothing else phased my interest in this wheel. I think they can figure out a fender. EUC army showed you can get to the shock air ports by going through an opening in the structure. I also would think the app support will improve by release. And why have none of the other reviewers commented on that speed/brake wobble? Will Kingsong ever send Ian a pre-release wheel again? No matter how much he has to pay in shipping? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FinRider Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Ben Kim said: The last few pages are tough to read. Seems enthusiasm for this wheel has hit rock bottom! I don’t think so. We are just eager to find out more and while the information is scant we just bs instead.. this thread in itself is pretty useless bc it is just a bunch of speculation on very limited information. The real discussions will begin when the 1st batch is delivered and your everyday ”average joe’s” can chime in with their own 1st hand experience. In the meantime all info here is pretty much hearsay or reviews on pre-production models. imho the hype for these suspension wheels are very valid. I see it as adding an extra safety net for when you hit a pot-hole or too high curb drop off that jolts your brain to never-never land. Others see it as the ultimate off-road machines. To each their own. I myself can’t wait to get one, just don’t know yet if I am willing to spen 2 grand on something unknown that we all by now know will have some early batch defects... everyone needs to judge for themselves if they can afford and are willing to take the chance to be one of the early adopters into suspension euc, fully knowing that there will be issues. This will be true for all suspension wheels, as it is an unproven technology. Next year by this time we will know which approach was smarter... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, FinRider said: I don’t think so. We are just eager to find out more and while the information is scant we just bs instead.. this thread in itself is pretty useless bc it is just a bunch of speculation on very limited information. The real discussions will begin when the 1st batch is delivered and your everyday ”average joe’s” can chime in with their own 1st hand experience. In the meantime all info here is pretty much hearsay or reviews on pre-production models. imho the hype for these suspension wheels are very valid. I see it as adding an extra safety net for when you hit a pot-hole or too high curb drop off that jolts your brain to never-never land. Others see it as the ultimate off-road machines. To each their own. I myself can’t wait to get one, just don’t know yet if I am willing to spen 2 grand on something unknown that we all by now know will have some early batch defects... everyone needs to judge for themselves if they can afford and are willing to take the chance to be one of the early adopters into suspension euc, fully knowing that there will be issues. This will be true for all suspension wheels, as it is an unproven technology. Next year by this time we will know which approach was smarter... tbh i wasnt thinking this at first, but to me it seems smarter to go for the V11..... because at the worst you still have a traditional 18" wheel, except it is safer, thinner, and more well built than the ones weve had in the past.. with the S18 at worst you have an extremely heavy "less safe" 18L lol, however both of them would require extra maintenance and be more difficult to work on... i think i will have to wait to see a bunch of actual user reviews on production models as well as teardowns and maintenance videos, until then i dont think i want to be an early adopter because i never once even considered suspension, i never once thought it was something that was needed or an issue so for me the overall package has to be as good or better than current wheels with the added suspension as a nice bonus before theyll get my 2k 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EUChristian Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Nic said: I trust this man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spooky Chaser Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 Love kuji's review but it seemed so watered down due to the sponsorships! Can't risk saying anything that could be seen as negative, and as one of the only people with both an S18 and V11 I'd love to hear comparisons from him in the coming weeks. The production unit does seem to be built better than the pre-prod, and it's nice to see the side pads in action. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Antec Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, Spook Chaser said: Love kuji's review but it seemed so watered down due to the sponsorships! Can't risk saying anything that could be seen as negative, and as one of the only people with both an S18 and V11 I'd love to hear comparisons from him in the coming weeks. The production unit does seem to be built better than the pre-prod, and it's nice to see the side pads in action. We need to wait for independent impartial reviews, I love Kuji's videos but cant help but think this wasn't impartial. Why would be bad mouth a product that he helped develop and got paid for? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 It feels like I’m living in an alternate reality after watching Speedyfeet and Kuji Rolls reviews of the S18. Do I take the red or blue pill? I have pre-ordered the V11, but may change to S18 just for the jumping capabilities and superior suspension. First batch quality issues and range are the points holding me back from switching. The choice to switch is made all the more easier with my pre-order for the Sherman, which makes the V11 somewhat a redundant wheel for my needs now. I really love the selection of EUCS but hate making the hard choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I was sad to see the very tight tire clearance with the fender. This will present a real challenge passing debris (mud, mulch, gravel), and is incompatible with the all-terrain tires (K262) we've come to love on the other 18" EUC's. 'Fender delete' sounds quite risky, as the flex cable to the motor needs it for snag protection. Aftermarket fender business opportunity- go! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post B08AH Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Antec said: to wait for independent impartial reviews, I love Kuji's videos but cant help but think this wasn't impartial. All that impartial reviewers found so far is panels coming off and fender rubbing the wheel. And Kuji focused on suspension, closed his eyes to those "known defects". That is as I see it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxdude Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I'm a bit curious about the pedal adjustment he mentioned - apparently you can adjust the pedals up and down a little bit to get a proper fit with the ankle pads? Interesting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, B08AH said: All that impartial reviewers found so far is panels coming off and fender rubbing the wheel. And Kuji focused on suspension, closed his eyes to those "known defects". That is as I see it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) Problem #1 is that tire rub. The other stuff seemed trivial to me. In KR's video, sounds like plastic-to-plastic rubbing somewhere with the suspension movement. I had a DNM AOY-RC36 on my electric scooter, and it was amazeballs. Edited June 17, 2020 by xorbe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellac Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Mango said: It feels like I’m living in an alternate reality after watching Speedyfeet and Kuji Rolls reviews of the S18. Do I take the red or blue pill? I have pre-ordered the V11, but may change to S18 just for the jumping capabilities and superior suspension. First batch quality issues and range are the points holding me back from switching. The choice to switch is made all the more easier with my pre-order for the Sherman, which makes the V11 somewhat a redundant wheel for my needs now. I really love the selection of EUCS but hate making the hard choices. I think you want to compare the speedyfeet review of the S18 to a speedyfeet review of the V11, which doesn’t exist yet. It might be when Ian gets the V11 he finds even worse quality issues with it than the S18 Seems KR didn’t find build quality issues with either wheel, or maybe he did and he’s putting both wheels in a positive light. Either way if it’s between those two wheels makes sense to rely on the reviews from the same reviewer for comparison. Either that or wait until there are more reviews out there. Of note, evx and duf don’t seem to have issues with their S18 either so maybe Ian just got a lemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hollinghurst Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Hi there, i cant find any more info on the ewheels "780Wh external battery option" for the s18. all i've found is the 780Wh 42Volt version, which wouldn't work on an EUC since they're 84V... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdab Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Mango said: The choice to switch is made all the more easier with my pre-order for the Sherman, which makes the V11 somewhat a redundant wheel for my needs now. Why does the Sherman have equivalent ride stability to the V11? Does the 20" tire act like a suspension would over rough terrain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jj Luo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Daniel Hollinghurst said: Hi there, i cant find any more info on the ewheels "780Wh external battery option" for the s18. all i've found is the 780Wh 42Volt version, which wouldn't work on an EUC since they're 84V... This is the response I got from Ewheels. "We do have a 780Wh King Song battery bank in stock, which if used with the S18 would get you up to 1890Wh, for $650. It would be carried in a backpack and trickle charge the main batteries. on some models, like the Inmotion, the moment you plug in the power, it cuts the motor. King Song permits you to charge-on-the-go. For the question about the rate of charge, relative to consumption, it's rated for 3A x 84v = 252W, anything excess of this & you'll be operating in 'deficit mode'. It should not affect the battery longevity at all. " 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, chrisdab said: Why does the Sherman have equivalent ride stability to the V11? Does the 20" tire act like a suspension would over rough terrain? I think @Mango's point was that Sherman can eat up the miles, and S18 can jump and dance. V11 sits in between those two. (Sherman uses a 14" rim just like S18 and V11, so differences in stability are due to other things- suspension, battery layout, weight, ergonomics, tire type.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Nic said: This vid helps. Of course, its so weird how he likes it but others have small issue. FINALLY someone ran it thru a puddle then a SHOWER! Makes me feel a little less worried, tho now I wonder how biased this is? Obviously you cant fake that he was riding the hell out of it. I noticed a double chamber shock, not sure what EUCO was referring to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musk Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Mango said: It feels like I’m living in an alternate reality after watching Speedyfeet and Kuji Rolls reviews of the S18. Do I take the red or blue pill? This might be partially due to a review from a retailer vs a review from an enthusiast. If I owned a business selling, supporting, and repairing these devices I'm going to have a different lens when reviewing the product. A retailer is going to see this through a lens of customer interaction, training, support, maintenance etc... but an enthusiast can just evaluate it as a consumer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) Yeah, Kuji used to be one of my favourite reviewers since he really pushes the wheels. But I'm glad that at least he was open about taking part in the wheel design. That should make clear to the viewer that he's probably not the most subjective reviewer for the S18. What stood out for me in his review and EUCO's unboxing: 30 miles of range. Kuji's shower test. The control board is at the top, of course it's still ok after a few hours. What about battery case cable routings, the motor cable as it wears from constant movement, etc? Are they still waterproof after six months? The V10 that bursted into flames did so a few weeks after getting wet. Charge port cover. The cover seems very difficult to close properly. Dust and water free to enter. The separate clear plastic in front of the headlight is open from the bottom, making a dust trap in front of the headlight. The wheel does wobble a bit when Kuji carves and brakes at the same time. The wheel beeps a lot. Having to push the stiff button to lift out a carrying handle that doesn't slide smoothly, accompanied by frantic beeping. A big downer on daily practicality. The lights really pale next to the V11. Filling the top compartment of the shock traps the pump hose. Tiny slivers of contoured padding are probably insufficient for many, and difficult to attach more. The H-5102 tire (EUCO) is pretty good as long as you stay far away from wet unpaved sections. (EDIT:) The suspension is noisy. (EDIT:) I must add though that I haven't seen even Kuji jump that effortlessly before. S18 is a jumper for sure. 2 hours ago, shellac said: It might be when Ian gets the V11 he finds even worse quality issues with it than the S18 No signs of any such issues from any of the quick reviews so far. Many of the S18 issues were known or suspected beforehand. 43 minutes ago, musk said: This might be partially due to a review from a retailer vs a review from an enthusiast. To be precise, a review from a retailer who has always been un-americanly critical on his reviews, and a review from one of the designers. Edited June 17, 2020 by mrelwood 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Hmm, he talks about lowering the pedals and it did not sound like he was referring to simply setting the preload on the shock. He make it look very good, but he did comment on wobbles in the comments. He also seems to be taken with the Veteran, and ready to give up the s18 suspension for it... but of course the veteran would be even better with suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUChristian Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I believe you can physically alter pedal height based on how he spoke about it. Unsure how that’s accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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