King Song S18 Discussion

[mrelwood]

Unless he meant that he talked KS into lowering the pedals a bit based on the prototype.

[FreeRide]

2 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

Unless he meant that he talked KS into lowering the pedals a bit based on the prototype.

Didn't sound like that at all. 

[Phong Vu]

After watch Euco unboxing, I realized that the lift switch is mostly not available for this wheel
I meant, what you need to do (put the button and pull out the handle) is mostly the same with turn off the wheel and then lift.

[FreeRide]

2 minutes ago, Phong Vu said:

After watch Euco unboxing, I realized that the lift switch is mostly not available for this wheel
I meant, what you need to do (put the button and pull out the handle) is mostly the same with turn off the wheel and then lift.

Yup.

[Unventor]

48 minutes ago, Phong Vu said:

After watch Euco unboxing, I realized that the lift switch is mostly not available for this wheel
I meant, what you need to do (put the button and pull out the handle) is mostly the same with turn off the wheel and then lift.

Well the lift switch is when you lift the trolley to carry position. In  ride or trolley possition it will balance due motor is engaged.

If you turn off the wheel you normally loose BT connection (if your tour tracking, not good) and you have a boot up time turning on the wheel.

So it has benefits to use lift handle possition. So that is a new solution to previous design.

I just this the V11 way is better solution. A fixed lifting handle with a button activating when you lift the wheel.

[.....]

I'm not a fan of pushing buttons while lifting. KS solution isnt a bad one, as at least theres no lift sensor calibration issues going to arise. I'd rather not have to lift the trolley at all to lift the wheel (like previous models), but it sure beats me having to worry about holding a button like on my retarded gotway.

[FlyboyEUC]

Here are my jumbled thoughts after riding both wheels in the parking lot and looking over each one in detail.

S18

• tailored for smaller riders, the kuji pad is really low. I'm 5'10" and my shoe size is US Mens 9.
• meant for off-roading and jumping
• lights have a wider throw at the cost of brightness
• tail light is kinda cool but not effective at all
• the inner shell (tire guard thing) rubs the battery pack of the wheel. That's that loud noise everyone hears while the suspension moves, thin rubber or felt will fix that. This shell also feels very very cheap. I think it will be the first thing to break. It is very close to the tire and might prevent any other tire from being used.
• lots of sharp corners on the paneling to cut fingers on
• trolley handle is decent but a little buggy to get the wheel to disengage. You have to slide it around a couple times until it locks in place
• more nimble than v11 and shorter
• less (un)sprung weight which is better mechanically
• I prefer the beeping to inmotions loud "welcome"
• overall in person it just looks cheap because of the huge hole in the top and sharp edges

V11

• headlight and tail light is like no other, it puts the MSP to shame. the lights are literally automotive grade
• suspension is smooth but less performance oriented than the S18. its also simpler because its one air piston holding you up, the s18 is a little more complex.
• build quality is amazing, it looks like the Z10's older brother. everything is packaged very nicely.
• very difficult to pump up the tire
• trolley handle is very sturdy and has a spring in it that pops up the handle when you release the switch holding it down
• side panels move up and down which make powerpads very difficult to attach but then again i've never seen powerpads on an inmotion wheel.
• without pads the v11 can't jump

I hope to ride both wheels more especially at high speed over bumps. But both of these wheels are amazing in their own way. If you are primarily a night rider than you should get the V11, if you are a daytime skatepark and quarry rider, the S18. I'll edit this as I think of more stuff but these are my initial thoughts.

[EUChristian]

1 hour ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I'm not a fan of pushing buttons while lifting. KS solution isnt a bad one, as at least theres no lift sensor calibration issues going to arise. I'd rather not have to lift the trolley at all to lift the wheel (like previous models), but it sure beats me having to worry about holding a button like on my retarded gotway.

Absolutely agree. The button on my MTen3 is incredibly annoying. I wouldn’t even mind the button that much if it was designed in the least bit for comfort. Instead it’s literally a pain to hold in. 

[davinche]

5 minutes ago, EUChristian said:

Absolutely agree. The button on my MTen3 is incredibly annoying. I wouldn’t even mind the button that much if it was designed in the least bit for comfort. Instead it’s literally a pain to hold in. 

Button can be done right though... eg: Inmotion. But I think they hold a patent or something for the button under the handle.

[redfoxdude]

4 hours ago, mrelwood said:

What stood out for me in his review and EUCO's unboxing:

• ...
• The separate clear plastic in front of the headlight is open from the bottom, making a dust trap in front of the headlight.
• ...
• The lights really pale next to the V11.
• Filling the top compartment of the shock traps the pump hose.
• ...

Yeah, I was immediately disappointed about the dust trap potential of that window in front of the light. Hopefully not too much dust gets kicked up in there. At least it seems like it would be pretty accessible to clean. In terms of brightness, I don't know if EUCO's video really showed the brightness. If the light behaves anything like my 16X did, it is actually significantly dimmer when not in motion. My GotWays are like that too, actually. Kinda nice to keep from blinding people when I'm not moving. I'm sure the S18 is not as bright as the V11 though, that thing is the real deal!
As for the trapping of the pump hose, it has been shown that you can access the valve through the hole in the side of the case (I wonder if that's why that hole is so large, I had no idea why it was larger than necessary to expose those bolts.) Kinda finicky I guess, but lots of shocks have their valve in a very similar position unfortunately. Better than having to sit on the wheel, though.

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by redfoxdude

[fbhb]

Kuji has explained how the pedals are adjusted in the comments to the video, as quoted below. He stated in the video that he asked King Song to add in the ability to adjust the pedal height, in order to tailor the wheel's jump pads to each individual's preference!

 

Nicholas McCutcheon12 hours ago

Awesome review Kuji! I was able to dial in the suspension pretty well on the S18, but I didn't know you could adjust the pedal height, as my ankles are a bit too high to "lock in" in the stock configuration. How would you go about adjusting the pedal height?

 

Kuji Rolls

8 hours ago

There's 4 screws around the pedal and 4 more small screws in the front and back. You gotta slide the entire plate down. I offset it by one small screw.

 

Nicholas McCutcheon4 hours ago

Cool, I'll give it a go. Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by fbhb

[B08AH]

14 hours ago, mrelwood said:

I must add though that I haven't seen even Kuji jump that effortlessly before. S18 is a jumper for sure.

"heavy expensive pogo stick"(c) Kuji

[RayRay]

19 hours ago, Flyboy10 said:

If you are primarily a night rider than you should get the V11, if you are a daytime skatepark and quarry rider, the S18.

I don't know if I'm ready to become a "quarry rider", but do you have any thoughts about the upgrade appeal of either of these?

Specifically, coming from a previous model Kingsong or Inmotion; (Gotway owners would never consider a slower wheel an upgrade.)

[mike_bike_kite]

20 hours ago, Flyboy10 said:

If you are primarily a night rider than you should get the V11, if you are a daytime skatepark and quarry rider, the S18. I'll edit this as I think of more stuff but these are my initial thoughts.

I think there's lot's of ways of looking at it. If you want the best suspension then get the S18. If you want a range longer than 30 miles or need the best headlamp out there AND never have to lift the wheel then get the V11. I'd be very happy with either.

[FinRider]

26 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

I think there's lot's of ways of looking at it. If you want the best suspension then get the S18. If you want a range longer than 30 miles or need the best headlamp out there AND never have to lift the wheel then get the V11. I'd be very happy with either.

This is a great a point. Most of us would be happy with either... suspensionwill be a game changer, especially for new riders like me where pot-holes and unexpected curbs jolt the bejeezus out of me. 
 

30 miles is ok for me, many may see it as a deturrent though.

[FullTilt]

 

31 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

AND never have to lift the wheel then get the V11.

They increased the weight of the S18 to 25kg so it's now just 2kg (4.4lbs) lighter. 

[Ben Kim]

9 hours ago, FullTilt said:

 

They increased the weight of the S18 to 25kg so it's now just 2kg (4.4lbs) lighter. 

Jumped on the S18 tonight. $1580 shipped to the USA, couldn’t resist. 

[.....]

14 minutes ago, Ben Kim said:

Jumped on the S18 tonight. $1580 shipped to the USA, couldn’t resist. 

Wow! Seems a steal of a deal. I am under the impression that I'll be paying a tad more. Where'd you order from? Not that I'd change mine, just curious. Congrats!

[Ben Kim]

1 minute ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Wow! Seems a steal of a deal. I am under the impression that I'll be paying a tad more. Where'd you order from? Not that I'd change mine, just curious. Congrats!

China. 

[.....]

You know, I'd hate to admit it, but I think  I'll miss having speakers on the sks18. Its not a big deal and theres MANY ways to overcome it. I just do kind of enjoy a slow scenic ride thru the hood on my 18L with music playing. Again, no big deal. Battery space is scarce, so I can understand the compromise.  All the more reasons to own more than one variety I suppose.... Cmon shipping date, I'm wondering if Jason has a concrete timeline or if theyre still trying to hire a glue guy for final?

[Ben Kim]

14 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

You know, I'd hate to admit it, but I think  I'll miss having speakers on the sks18. Its not a big deal and theres MANY ways to overcome it. I just do kind of enjoy a slow scenic ride thru the hood on my 18L with music playing. Again, no big deal. Battery space is scarce, so I can understand the compromise.  All the more reasons to own more than one variety I suppose.... Cmon shipping date, I'm wondering if Jason has a concrete timeline or if theyre still trying to hire a glue guy for final?

I went from owning two wheels with speakers to none in an instant (Nikola is getting sold when the S18 comes), so I'm also not sure how I'll adjust to not having speakers for GPS.  I do have a bluetooth neck speaker, but that's one more annoying gadget to charge that I'd rather not bother with.  I'm sure I'll adjust, I just won't be overly happy about it! This will probably be more of an issue on the Sherman than the S18, since S18 is comparatively short range.  

[chrisdab]

18 hours ago, FinRider said:

30 miles is ok for me, many may see it as a deturrent though.

The batteries can degrade over time, 30 mile range could become 20 mile range. 

[chrisdab]

8 hours ago, Ben Kim said:

China. 

Can you get the V11 with the direct from China discount?

[Ben Kim]

23 minutes ago, chrisdab said:

Can you get the V11 with the direct from China discount?

Nope. eWheels is the cheapest game in town for that wheel. 

[FlyboyEUC]

19 hours ago, RayRay said:

I don't know if I'm ready to become a "quarry rider", but do you have any thoughts about the upgrade appeal of either of these?

Specifically, coming from a previous model Kingsong or Inmotion; (Gotway owners would never consider a slower wheel an upgrade.)

I'd say the v11 is definitely a great upgrade to any Inmotion wheel. The s18 is only worth it if you are coming from a wheel smaller than the 16s strictly because of the battery. I can't imagine many people will sell their 16x or 18xl to purchase an s18. 

P.S. I've heard reports of the v11 not being a good mountain wheel or rainy weather wheel. Just throwing that out there

Edited June 19, 2020 by Flyboy10