Nifrigel Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 KingSong tends to fix and improve their products after the release, turning owners of the first batch units into beta-testers of sort. However, all of the recent KingSong wheels were pretty decent at the time of release. Yes, KS-18L had a nice long history of fixes and improvements and the 2019 KS18L V2 is clearly superior compared to the first batch 2018 KS18L (I personally owned both versions), however even the first batch KS-18L was by no means inferior to the V10F for example. V10F receiving no after-release improvements doesn't mean that Inmotion better polish their products so there is nothing to improve after release — it just means that KingSong strive to make their wheels even better and Inmotion don't. Frustration over owning a first batch KingSong wheel that becomes outdated is just an unfortunate, but nessecary side effect of a generally positive phenomenon. Getting your wheel earlier is already enough of a compensation for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hollinghurst Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Really liked the Speedyfeet review. Some great tips for a future S18 owner. Good to see the (minor) issues found are being sorted. Its unlikely any actual serious issues that KS have faced in the past will be repeated. Although there are lots of new innovations going on with this wheel so i can see why people might be apprehensive. Apprehensions I have (decided I will risk it): new control board with no fan overheating Suspension breaking lack of modern wheel features (RGB&speakers) something getting trapped somewhere changing a tire external 780Wh battery being pointless/awkward to use. KS jarring kickback dead on arrival. wobbles (resolved by learning the wheel probably) range (not actually bothered much) gotway bringing out a better version breaking it. breaking myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nic Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 @MickeyMicklos I beat you to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUChristian Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 I have to say, this unscientific review is more scientific than most other reviews and I couldn’t ask for more. Great review and kept me captivated. interesting that most see this as keyed into off-road riding. Obvious benefits but I am a street rider in PA where the roads are garbage and this would be huge for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkflame808 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Kingsong. You created a beast of a wheel. Complete the evolution and put a tubeless tire on it. who wants to risk a instaflat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTilt Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Duf as (K)night rider, need some sound effects for KIT's red tail lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FreeRide Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Nice to see some different reviews. Nice contrast to between Ian's candor and EVx which gets 'soaked' with 1.25mm of water leaving a cup with most of it on the ground. Hollywood from NY, but still fun. Edited June 16, 2020 by FreeRide 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, FreeRide said: Nice to see some different reviews. Nice contrast to between Ian's candor and EVx which gets 'soaked' with 1.25mm of water leaving a cup with most of it on the ground. Hollywood from NY, but still fun. Well it looked more like 1.25 cm than mm...but I don't expect US people to get it right. But why he did it in metric instead of US inches I don't get. But I do agree it is nice that more reviewers start posting some rides and thoughts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Unventor said: Well it looked more like 1.25 cm than mm...but I don't expect US people to get it right. But why he did it in metric instead of US inches I don't get. But I do agree it is nice that more reviewers start posting some rides and thoughts. What was funny to me is he started talking 1/16 and other crap with metric. You are right, it was a lot more than 1.25mm. I think maybe his is trying to learn metric, but is having a really hard time. He''s very creative, numbers might not be his thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..... Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Unventor said: Well it looked more like 1.25 cm than mm...but I don't expect US people to get it right. But why he did it in metric instead of US inches I don't get. But I do agree it is nice that more reviewers start posting some rides and thoughts. Thats not fair, you can't judge us ALL by the video of an asshat. I would have rather seen the water dumped onto the wheel as this would have told me something useful. Seriously, like I didnt already know that a suspension will make a ride smoother. The v11 should pass the cup test too. Fwiw, I skimmed the vid, maybe i missed something useful? Doubt it. I have resigned to assume that I will have to risk my own investment and do a proper test. You know, hose the fukn thing off. Drop it down a rocky hill. Hard braking until it tosses me to pavement. Actual range until it stops. The usual stuff. I like to think in inches and miles, but hell Im an american that was raised in the public school system. I find it amazing how people are justifying the problems with the wheel, by claiming its a prototype. If you can't get the basics right (like tire rubbing, valve placement, panel glue) in the first stages of ideas, why should we assume it will get better? I mean shit, Ford doesnt have to release a car, just to be told how clearances in wheel wells work. Chevy didnt release a truck, ONLY to have the public tell them it needs a windshield! Some things are basic, why would I ignore simple errors by a company, when theres a lot of VERY finicky things they could miss instead. GLitches are expected, obvious design flaws.... cmon guys. Well, its getting close to time to ship, so when will ANYONE see a production model? Maybe they'll fix all of these 'minor' issues before shipping, but why in the world would we just assume it will happen? Oh right, because they fixed the issue of panels falling off during kuji's ride, before sending more to other 'reviewers'. Oh well, I'm goiing to roll the dice, as I've been burned before and survived. Hopefully this won't happen, but Im also accepting the fact that maybe it won't meet MY minimum standards and we may get to see a vid of what happens when an s18 gets tossed off a mountain and into a lake... Wait... that would be bad for the lake. ... Edited June 16, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rywokast Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: Thats not fair, you can't judge us ALL by the video of an asshat. I would have rather seen the water dumped onto the wheel as this would have told me something useful. Seriously, like I didnt already know that a suspension will make a ride smoother. The v11 should pass the cup test too. Fwiw, I skimmed the vid, maybe i missed something useful? Doubt it. I have resigned to assume that I will have to risk my own investment and do a proper test. You know, hose the fukn thing off. Drop it down a rocky hill. Hard braking until it tosses me to pavement. Actual range until it stops. The usual stuff. I like to think in inches and miles, but hell Im an american that was raised in the public school system. I find it amazing how people are justifying the problems with the wheel, by claiming its a prototype. Well, its getting close to time to ship, so when will ANYONE see a production model? Not being able to get to those shock valves is somewhat of an issue in my book. Maybe they'll fix all of these 'minor' issues before shipping, but why in the world would we just assume it will happen? Oh right, because they fixed the issue of panels falling off during kuji's ride, before sending more to other 'reviewers'. Oh well, I'm goiing to roll the dice, as I've been burned before and survived. Hopefully this won't happen, but Im also accepting the fact that maybe it won't meet MY minimum standards and we may get to see a vid of what happens when an s18 gets tossed off a mountain and into a lake... Wait... that would be bad for the lake. ... i was thinking the same thing about filling the shocks seems to be something they didnt really consider.. however it should be a really simple fix by just putting on a 90 degree adapter, you should be able to cap it and just leave it on honestly if youre constantly adjusting pressure or trying to figure it out.. i think this is pretty much the real deal we are way past prototype stage now lol likely there will be a lot of minor adjustments in the second batch or v2 like the 16x and 18L.. i think they arent able to do these tests because its actually not their wheel its a loaner and they have to pass it on and keep it functional lol, so yea hosing it down and smashing it will either have to be a video by kingsong or with your own wheel.. and yea the metperial was funny i commented on that on youtube.. instant catch from a non american 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..... Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Cmon reviewers, you want people to subscribe. You want people to 'like' your pages. You want people to see you as businessmen. Toss $2k down on the barrel, tell the company that you will TRY to not damage it, and then... beat the piss out of it. Worse comes to worse, you eat the $2k as a bizz expense and get MAD PROPS from those of us who arent on a business related budget. Why even accept the terms for a review, if you have to baby the damn thing and worry? I really HOPE someone puts some thought and carelessness into a review, before I have to. I'd much rather watch someone else risk the wheel, but I'll do what i gotta do. I figured installing a valve angle could help, as long as theres room for it. I'd imagine that some people will adjust their shocks frequently, according to ride plans. THen theres the times when you let a skinny fukr ride the wheel as set up for a fat ass. Then of course, as shocks age, youll find they leak and need checked/filled more regularly. Its not a big deal at all. What irks me is... didnt the company try to fill the damn thing just ONCE? I'm sure they did and decided to NOT redesign anything to accommodate better use. A special pump could work, but then you HAVE to buy that type. Its not the little details that bother me as much as its the detail of KS not addressing it BEFORE displaying it for all of us to judge. They should know by now, some of us are overboard critical. For those that aren't, be thankful that not everyone accepts mediocrity, and us critical asshats are what makes a manufacturer HAVE to keep upping their game. Good enough is never good enough! Edited June 16, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evX_Mick Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, FreeRide said: What was funny to me is he started talking 1/16 and other crap with metric. You are right, it was a lot more than 1.25mm. I think maybe his is trying to learn metric, but is having a really hard time. He''s very creative, numbers might not be his thing. never been a more statement about me hahaha 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon Stern Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Unventor said: Well it looked more like 1.25 cm than mm...but I don't expect US people to get it right. But why he did it in metric instead of US inches I don't get. Maybe because the imperial measurement system is crap? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jon Stern said: Maybe because the imperial measurement system is crap? yup.. the majority of the planet by far uses metric, and imperial makes absolutely no sense.. every measurement is completely arbitrary, doing math with imperial is the absolute worst I had to learn both in school because Americans refuse to change and I hated it so much haha 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxdude Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Well would you look at that? Thanks @Duf! The loose pad is annoying, though. They said they're addressing things like that for the production run, so 🤞 Edited June 16, 2020 by redfoxdude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..... Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Rywokast said: yup.. the majority of the planet by far uses metric, and imperial makes absolutely no sense.. every measurement is completely arbitrary, doing math with imperial is the absolute worst I had to learn both in school because Americans refuse to change and I hated it so much haha I was a kid when the public USA school systems tried to teach us metric. I think it was around 1986 or so? I do recall that us kids were still only 4th grade and even by then, it was a mission of failure. Kind of like teaching any of us in the midwest, Spanish. Yes it would be handy, but none of us was surrounded by metric or Spanish. I think the schools nixxed the metric idea after 1 semester. Seems they were more interested in teaching us idiots, things like : reading...basic math. It was only once I was well into my 30's, that I learned most of the common metric measurements. I can say this.. its stupid easier in metric. Everything is damn near multiples of 10. The issue arises when trying to go from one to another. The other problem is the perspective of it all. I mean shit, I know how far one mile seems. You ask me how far 1500 mteres is, and I have to do the math to miles for a basic grasp. At best, I can do a basic estimate in my head, based on simple math conversions. I can totally see how a LOT of imperial system users, would never find a need to know both. Its quite silly, but at least it sets us apart. Isnt being stubborn an american trait too. Hooray for USA! Thank goodness, KS DID give us a way to try and fill it. They may NEED to send a manual in english for these.... Edited June 16, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ShanesPlanet said: I was a kid when the public USA school systems tried to teach us metric. I think it was around 1986 or so? I do recall that us kids were still only 4th grade and even by then, it was a mission of failure. Kind of like teaching any of us in the midwest, Spanish. Yes it would be handy, but none of us was surrounded by metric or Spanish. I think the schools nixxed the metric idea after 1 semester. Seems they were more interested in teaching us idiots, things like : reading...basic math. It was only once I was well into my 30's, that I learned most of the common metric measurements. I can say this.. its stupid easier in metric. Everything is damn near multiples of 10. The issue arises when trying to go from one to another. The other problem is the perspective of it all. I mean shit, I know how far one mile seems. You ask me how far 1500 mteres is, and I have to do the math to miles for a basic grasp. At best, I can do a basic estimate in my head, based on simple math conversions. I can totally see how a LOT of imperial system users, would never find a need to know both. Its quite silly, but at least it sets us apart. Isnt being stubborn an american trait too. Hooray for USA! Thank goodness, KS DID give us a way to try and fill it. They may NEED to send a manual in english for these.... This is why the UK changed to metric for the things where you needed to do calculations (physics without metric is a mess of constants), but left the personal reckoning stuff as imperial. Miles on roads didn't need to change, as people aren't using those miles to calculate anything other than how long it'll take (and maybe how much petrol) to get there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGiroquoi Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Here in Quebec too we are teached the metric system, but people still use a lot of imperial in construction. Plus roads are in kms but sometimes also showing miles to help the Americans living next to us.. plus put everything bilingual french/english and you have an approximate of the complexity we face here !😄 Edited June 16, 2020 by Eric plam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyzeus Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: I find it amazing how people are justifying the problems with the wheel, by claiming its a prototype. Usually I'm skeptical of reviews of prototypes or review units sent out to YouTube reviewers. Most manufacturers tend to either make sure the review units are the best of the batch or put heavy restrictions on the reviews of prototypes. The crazy thing here is, if anything I would have expected the wheel sent to speedy feet to have better quality control then what may end up in the average riders hands since this is going to be the wheel and review that might influence many people's buying decision. Like with laptops, whenever reviewers review the prototypes they're often not allowed to do benchmarks or talk about performance metrics as part of their agreement with the company. if they get sent a review unit of final hardware it's often the cream of the quality controlled crop. The one with the best thermals, the one with the best binned chip, one that's already been inspected and made sure passes with flying colors and may not be indicative of what you get when you order online or pick one up at the store. The reviewer does their review, says thermals are great, then you go buy laptop and get thermal throttling because the factory happened to do a horrible paste job on your unit. So the fact that reviewers are getting wheels that have panels popping off or tire rubbing (seriously did you not even try the wheel out before you sent it out) does not really inspire confidence. Seems like they're really doing a rush job here if they don't even have time to properly test the wheel before sending it to a major distributor like Speedy feet. Words like, "oh don't worry feel free to put your deposit down, it'll be fixed in the production batch" are a dime a dozen especially when coming from a Chinese manufacturer. Edited June 16, 2020 by Heyzeus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post null Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) I've noticed US Americans are adapting a bit to metric regarding EUCs. You can see it from the use of "kph" which is a direct translation of "mph". This is not a very good way of shortening it, because it skips the unit: Meter. kph is Kilo (1000) Per Hour. 1000 what per hour? Doesn't say. kph have been used before, mainly by non metric countries, but that doesn't make it a good habit. Europe, home of metric, uses km/h. kmh is better than kph if you want short. Anything but leaving out the main unit.. </2c rambling> Edited June 16, 2020 by null 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockyTop Posted June 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, null said: I've noticed US Americans are adapting a bit to metric regarding EUCs. You can see it from the use of "kph" which is a direct translation of "mph". This is not a very good way of shortening it, because it skips the unit: Meter. kph is Kilo (1000) Per Hour. 1000 what per hour? Doesn't say. kph have been used before, mainly by non metric countries, but that doesn't make it a good habit. The EU, home of metric, uses km/h. kmh is better than kph if you want short. Anything but leaving out the main unit.. If you are going to use metric one might as well do it properly.. </2c rambling> True ....... But are you guys going to stop saying mileage when you mean......... kilometereage? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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