King Song S18 Discussion

[Phong Vu]

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Edited April 15, 2020 by meepmeepmayer

[null]

Looking forward to more info.

[Stillhart]

Adjustable in what way?  Just preload?  Or compression/dampening too?

[Asphalt]

Here are my wild speculations from what’s been revealed in the teaser video:

Spokes indicate an 18-inch wheel.

Tire looks thick enough to be 3-inches wide.

Handle looks like it runs parallel to the axle instead of the Kingsong standard diagonal. The should allow for more symmetrical balancing and positioning of components. Also room for suspension components.

Exposed frame looks cool, but I worry about rain, water going in and water coming up!

Shell looks like it is sloped for power-pad-like leveraging with legs.

The angle of the exposed frame suggests multi-link suspension.

Looking forward to everyone else’s rampant speculation over the next 24-hours!

Edited April 8, 2020 by Asphalt
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[mo_euc]

When can we expect the official information on this new wheel ??

[Rehab1]

Ok.... this is nuts! Are there Chinese spies peeking through the windows of every EUC manufacturing plant stealing intellectual property?

 

[Marty Backe]

There is speculation that it's a re-purposed 18S. I hope it isn't because I was never a big fan of the tall shell.

[Marty Backe]

This is looking like one mean MF

[Rywokast]

what the hell.. is that unfinished, like its going to be all exposed like that?? i mean it looks super cool, but that would worry me a lot not just for water.. unless there is like separate compartments inside for the electronics? 1100 wh saddens me though, i thought maybe this would crush the v11 but i need more batteries to justify the price im sure this is going to be as expensive or more than the v11

[Marty Backe]

4 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

what the hell.. is that unfinished, like its going to be all exposed like that?? i mean it looks super cool, but that would worry me a lot not just for water.. unless there is like separate compartments inside for the electronics? 1100 wh saddens me though, i thought maybe this would crush the v11 but i need more batteries to justify the price im sure this is going to be as expensive or more than the v11

Yeah, the KingSong prices have been steep lately. Gotway seems to be the leader in affordable performance wheels.

This won't be a cheap wheel.

But Kuji has been saying it eats speed bumps like nothing. This will be the wheel that you can read a newspaper while riding.

[Rywokast]

7 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Yeah, the KingSong prices have been steep lately. Gotway seems to be the leader in affordable performance wheels.

This won't be a cheap wheel.

But Kuji has been saying it eats speed bumps like nothing. This will be the wheel that you can read a newspaper while riding.

very interesting.. normally while reading and riding i am terrified in the back of my mind a little bit, but thats part of the fun of it xD idk though it may be good to have a wheel for when you want to go out late at night or going into uncharted territory that you dont have to worry about a pothole jumping out at you  i am still far from buying into this suspension thing for EUCs certainly going to wait a bit and let other people be the guinea pigs.. not to mention, no offense to KS i love you but your last couple launches have not been so smooth hmmm.. actually now that i think of it the last inmotion launch was terrible with the v10 too... and the z10 had its share of problems.. for once gotway has the best track record recently lol, i think from now on i will wait until revision 2 of any new euc

Edited April 8, 2020 by Rywokast

[Marty Backe]

9 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

very interesting.. normally while reading and riding i am terrified in the back of my mind a little bit, but thats part of the fun of it xD idk though it may be good to have a wheel for when you want to go out late at night or going into uncharted territory that you dont have to worry about a pothole jumping out at you  i am still far from buying into this suspension thing for EUCs certainly going to wait a bit and let other people be the guinea pigs.. not to mention, no offense to KS i love you but your last couple launches have not been so smooth hmmm.. actually now that i think of it the last inmotion launch was terrible with the v10 too... and the z10 had its share of problems.. for once gotway has the best track record recently lol, i think from now on i will wait until revision 2 of any new euc

Wise, but not very fun 

[Rywokast]

10 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Wise, but not very fun 

yea i know haha.. i always say it, but then im so impatient that right after the first review i want it! lol

[Asphalt]

Are those red packs the batteries? If so, it appears as though there are more battery packs towards the front. Will be interesting to feel how the wheel handles.

There’s also a fragile-looking cable run for the rear batteries to the main board. I hope they’ve tested this machine for durability.

[Rywokast]

34 minutes ago, Asphalt said:

Are those red packs the batteries? If so, it appears as though there are more battery packs towards the front. Will be interesting to feel how the wheel handles.

There’s also a fragile-looking cable run for the rear batteries to the main board. I hope they’ve tested this machine for durability.

dear god i hope not lol... or if it is, i hope thats a bullet/water proof casing and not shrink wrap lmao

Edited April 8, 2020 by Rywokast

[mrelwood]

If the photo above is the final design of the S18:

• The wheel is not suitable for off road riding. Just a single fall on dirt would get sand and mud in the suspension mechanism. A single slow speed tumble on a rocky path could render the suspension and possibly the whole wheel unusable.
• First photo we see already has rather thick DIY packaging foam added for sidepads?! Lacking in comfort much?
• 1110Wh is right there among the smallest 18" EUC batteries since something like 2016.
• (EDIT: I meant "one of the smallest", and that only maybe two (slightly) smaller ones have been in production since 2016 or so.)
• The shapes and lines of the design look very unsleek, unpractical, and unneccessary.
• The (EDIT: reminicient of the) ChaoYang H-5102 tire is a street tire, pure and simple. The CST C-1488 of the current 18XL would be at least manageable off-road.
• The pedals seem low even without a rider.

Hence, no matter if I could have a cup of tea on top of the wheel not splashing despite riding down steep stairs at speed, and even if it would enable me to ride up actual stairs worth 40°, and even if it wouldn't cost more than $1000, I'd have no interest in buying one. Maybe if Inmotion didn't have a properly covered off-road capable wheel with 30% larger battery, great lights, and if the S18 really did cost $1000. Even an XL version of this is an obvious hard pass for me. I don't even know who I could recommend getting one.

Edited April 8, 2020 by mrelwood

[Phong Vu]

11 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

• The wheel is not suitable for off road riding. Just a single fall on dirt would get sand and mud in the suspension mechanism. A single slow speed tumble on a rocky path could render the suspension and possibly the whole wheel unusable.

I rode a lot of underbone and naked bikes, and I don't think dirt, sand or rain could do anything to those suspension.

However, it's true that a hit (or few hit) in a right direction to a rock/curb could be the end of the rear suspension.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Phong Vu

[Rywokast]

15 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

If the photo above is the final design of the S18:

• The wheel is not suitable for off road riding. Just a single fall on dirt would get sand and mud in the suspension mechanism. A single slow speed tumble on a rocky path could render the suspension and possibly the whole wheel unusable.
• First photo we see already has rather thick DIY packaging foam added for sidepads?! Lacking in comfort much?
• 1110Wh is right there among the smallest 18" EUC batteries since something like 2016.
• The shapes and lines of the design look very unsleek, unpractical, and unneccessary.
• The ChaoYang H-5102 tire is a street tire, pure and simple. The CST C-1488 of the current 18XL would be at least manageable off-road.

Hence, no matter if I could have a cup of tea on top of the wheel not splashing despite riding down steep stairs at speed, and even if it would enable me to ride up actual stairs worth 40°, and even if it wouldn't cost more than $1000, I'd have no interest in buying one. Maybe if Inmotion didn't have a properly covered off-road capable wheel with 30% larger battery, great lights, and if the S18 really did cost $1000. Even an XL version of this is an obvious hard pass for me. I don't even know who I could recommend getting one.

ouch.. i do agree on all points though.. i am really hoping this is just a prototype showing off the internals and there will be some sort of covering shell (clear would be really awesome) because yea despite the major suspension it looks very uncomfortable on its own... i thought the C-1488 was the original XL tire and the H-5102 was its successor? the first 18XL i owned had the 1488 and the second like a year later had the 5102.. but thats not the h-5102 tire on there... though it looks equally as slick, i dont think ive ever seen it before

edit: this is the tread pattern... except that is for a mobility scooter lmao.. not sure where this exact tire is from

Edited April 8, 2020 by Rywokast

[Asphalt]

On closer inspection it looks like there’s an internal wheel cover, so that should prevent the bidet effect.

[Rywokast]

1 minute ago, Asphalt said:

On closer inspection it looks like there’s an internal wheel cover, so that should prevent the bidet effect.

did not notice that at all lol... bidet effect rofl, well in 2020 some may have appreciated that

[Asphalt]

If those red blocks are indeed battery packs, then it looks like there’s room for more batteries above the rear pack if they’re willing to have it visible in the exposed section.

This leads me to think that there may be a cover. Kingsong might just be showing it with the cover removed to highlight the suspension.

[mrelwood]

 

13 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

i thought the C-1488 was the original XL tire and the H-5102 was its successor? the first 18XL i owned had the 1488 and the second like a year later had the 5102..

I didn't know it came with the CST early on! Late last summer, a bit before the 2200W motor update my brother received a new 18XL with the stronger white inner shell and the C-1488 tire. So far I had only seen 18XLs with the H-5102.

13 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

but thats not the h-5102 tire on there... though it looks equally as slick, i dont think ive ever seen it before

Good catch! Yep, looks like maybe a direct response to the H-5102 from another brand.

[Asphalt]

This looks like a good latch point for a theoretical cover.

[Rywokast]

25 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

I didn't know it came with the CST early on! Late last summer, a bit before the 2200W motor update my brother received a new 18XL with the stronger white inner shell and the C-1488 tire. So far I had only seen 18XLs with the H-5102.

Good catch! Yep, looks like maybe a direct response to the H-5102 from another brand.

oh sorry i lied.. i just checked both mine have the h-5102 lol i was getting it mixed up with my V3S+ which had the c-1488, though the first one was all black shell and second was white inner shell.... hmmm, then i have never seen an 18L/XL with the 1488 so yea they probably changed it, though part of me thinks they switch tires sometimes due to pricing or stock.. hasnt the 16x had like three different tires lol, 16s has also had three i think i remember way back it was a super hard kenda tire.. msx has had two? im not sure if their decisions regarding tire is deliberate from feedback, or just supply lol

Edited April 8, 2020 by Rywokast

[Rywokast]

1 minute ago, Asphalt said:

This looks like a good latch point for a theoretical cover.

could be could be.. if they hadnt covered it up with a velcro swatch we might be able to tell lmao... im thinking that instead of people bitching about colours, maybe for the first time they will actually allow customization.. like these side panels pop off easy and they make a whole bunch of colors/designs you can hot swap... that would be awesome, i remember they experimented with those dumb stickers for the 16x lol