DjPanJan Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Max load 120kg Im out 🐷🐷. I think there is many riders outside world who with charger/gear/backpack can hit 120kg 260pounds easily. Maybee just get out suspension add cage and 800+Wh and increase limit to 150kg 330lbs like sherman do/have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 S18 has wrap around bumper protecting the suspension. That suspension looks vulnerable to trail abuse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmark Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, OldFartRides said: S18 has wrap around bumper protecting the suspension. That suspension looks vulnerable to trail abuse. The inner fender? The S20 also has an inner fender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) I must say, they sure do know how to make a damn sexy looking wheel. Too sexy and it hurts WAY too much to knock the new off it. Fine line to walk for sure. I'm thinking $3k is at the top fringes of what the market SHOULD bear for any of these eucs. Its good to see the s20 isnt WAY outta line in this regard. Does it have built in music? I'll be watching and hoping that perhaps its a real winner for certain styles and will be nearer the $2k mark in a gently used market next year. As a reference, I don't think the Sherman is worth more than $3k by any stretch of the imagination. Begode at $4k? Get real.... @itsmark i think he's referring to the SHOCK and how it protrudes from the rear without a lot of body protection. Fenders are typically a problem because they hug tires so closely and low spec rims combined with knobby tires = rubbing. Edited August 26, 2021 by ShanesPlanet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: I must say, they sure do know how to make a damn sexy looking wheel. Too sexy and it hurts WAY too much to knock the new off it. Fine line to walk for sure. I'm thinking $3k is at the top fringes of what the market SHOULD bear for any of these eucs. Its good to see the s20 isnt WAY outta line in this regard. Does it have built in music? I'll be watching and hoping that perhaps its a real winner for certain styles and will be nearer the $2k mark in a gently used market next year. As a reference, I don't think the Sherman is worth more than $3k by any stretch of the imagination. Begode at $4k? Get real.... @itsmark i think he's referring to the SHOCK and how it protrudes from the rear without a lot of body protection. Fenders are typically a problem because they hug tires so closely and low spec rims combined with knobby tires = rubbing. No speakers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jon Stern said: No speakers. Ah well, can't have it all. Its easier to add music than it is to reduce weight. I gotta quit reading this spec sheet or my hope overrides my common sense and my wallet gets too damn light. Cmon Shane, focus on it having no speakers and being unproven.... cmon Shane, you can wait it out.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Paul Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: I must say, they sure do know how to make a damn sexy looking wheel. Too sexy and it hurts WAY too much to knock the new off it. I love the overall design of it, the only thing that off-putting to me is the bright red plastic 'accent' pieces. Make it look more like a toy for a 12 year old than an adult vehicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Denny Paul said: off-putting to me is the bright red plastic 'accent' pieces @Jack King Song says (paraphrasing): you can have any color, as long as it's red. Or... when you change the tire, paint it pink! He mentioned that adding color options for the first batch complicates initial production, and this is a totally reasonable statement. Same goes for the tire, it'll be either the H666 or the Sherman knobby or the hybrid tire GW is shipping, but no options for sure in batch 1. I'm not a fan of the red either, but pink would tie in nicely with my circus bear tutu. I'm very glad it's actually an 18" tire, not larger. Was worried about maneuverability. Edited August 26, 2021 by Tawpie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 It's a 14" rim, which most (all?) of the 18" and 20" wheels have. It seems like stock this will have a 20" tire fitted, possibly the k262 knobby the sherman had as the knobby option, not sure for the street option. Plenty of aftermarket options as well, such as the Shinko 241/244. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyzeus Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) This looks very cool, it also looks VERY vulnerable to crash damage. I want to knock it a little bit compared to something like veteran's wheels which seem more durable to crash damage but I can't really. This wheel is a sport bike basically. You would be hard pressed to crash a sport bike going more than 20 some mph probably and not have to do some serious repairs to get it drivable again. So it may actually be more durable than a sport bike if the plastic components don't go flying everywhere and the battery compartments stay in tact. However it is also more likely to crash obviously due to it's one wheeled nature. I'm pleased that the display is recessed in case it takes a full tumble and if you leave the seat on you will have even more padding over the display/mobo area. Perhaps some lightweight plastic crash panels sold separately that could be added to protect the sides of the wheel and act as crumple zones in a more serious crash where the wheel really goes tumbling would be nice for those who want to go offroading with it. Talking like real light, cheap, easily replaceable like how you could replace the panels on some of the older king songs for relatively cheap. To me this easily looks better than what begodeway has on offer with the hero(though the shell looks more durable on the hero at first take to me) and you don't necessarily have to wait two years to see how it plays out when it comes to fire safety risk because of King Song's record vs gotway. I love this competition and seeing king song move more out of their past comfort zone and I'm excited to see how inmotion responds with the v13 and to see veterans eventual take on a suspension wheel. Will they be able to hit a similar suspension performance/weight ratio while making the wheel more durable. We'll see. if this ships in a state that performs as claimed and isn't full of QC defects, then gold star to King Song but I reserve the right to retract my gold star if you f*** it up Edited August 26, 2021 by Heyzeus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 @The Fat Unicyclist Between THIS, the GW Hero, the V12 and the Veteran Abram you guys are gonna be BUSY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyzeus Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) Looking at the design more, one advantage I see of this pulled back/exposed front shell is that it doesn't get in the way of the front of the wheel so this wheel might actually be relatively easy to trolley up and down stairs rather than carry if the wheel has the right tread and can grip the stair well. Is the sherman easy to trolley up stairs, the s20 is similarly exposed? Edited August 26, 2021 by Heyzeus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, ShanesPlanet said: Ah well, can't have it all. Its easier to add music than it is to reduce weight. I gotta quit reading this spec sheet or my hope overrides my common sense and my wallet gets too damn light. Cmon Shane, focus on it having no speakers and being unproven.... cmon Shane, you can wait it out.... Go ahead and order it! You can buy stereo Bluetooth speakers the size and shape of a Skoal can that sound great. Just Velcro one on each side of the wheel. $35- $60 for the set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmark Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Sounds like it should fit the larger off road tires and it has 130mm of suspension travel. As long as the hollow bore motor/bearings can take an impact it sounds like this wheel should be a beast off-road. I've put my deposit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Heyzeus said: This looks very cool, it also looks VERY vulnerable to crash damage. I want to knock it a little bit compared to something like veteran's wheels which seem more durable to crash damage but I can't really. What's so vulnerable about it? It seems pretty barebones and robust, batteryboxes, suspension, top part with controller, bumper, no shell, seems like it could be pretty durable to me, the Sherman on the other hand the roll cage is not as protective as you think, it can detach from the shell and even deform, it's not super hard, an unfortunate hit on the sidepanels can cause damage to BMS, looks can be deceiving. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Heyzeus said: Looking at the design more, one advantage I see of this pulled back/exposed front shell is that it doesn't get in the way of the front of the wheel so this wheel might actually be relatively easy to trolley up and down stairs rather than carry if the wheel has the right tread and can grip the stair well. Is the sherman easy to trolley up stairs, the s20 is similarly exposed? It doesn't work like that, the tire will spin if you try to trolley it up stairs without any load on it, fortunately it seems to have many places you can grab it and carry though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaon Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rawnei said: the tire will spin if you try to trolley it up stairs without any load on it not on latest s18 firmware (2.07), the wheel will not spin, it will only give enouph force to get it up the step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Does it have a trolley handle? Is the seat a seat? Is seat a trolley handle? Is it adjustable? PS that's a great looking wheel. Are there any real images of the wheel or videos of people riding it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said: Does it have a trolley handle? Is the seat a seat? Is seat a trolley handle? Check the 3rd to last image here, it's an animation of the trolley handle: https://www.kingsongs20.com/specifications 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyzeus Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, Rawnei said: What's so vulnerable about it? The suspension linkage in particular looks like it would be vulnerable to being bent/damaged if it took a tumble, has the s18 had issues with the linkage getting damaged in crashes, it's pretty similar I guess but I haven't followed it closesly. Like I said though, it's a sport bike, if you crashed a sport bike at 20mph it would probably be f'd up too and cost more to fix than this. So...just don't crash it at high speed I guess, lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Check the 3rd to last image here, it's an animation of the trolley handle: https://www.kingsongs20.com/specifications Well spotted! Odd that they've chosen an MSX style handle design. I'd of preferred it if the "seat" tilted up and acted as a handle. If it is a seat then it will be interesting how the display lighting will highlight the riders crotch area as they ride along emphasising how manly it is to be riding an EUC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post itsmark Posted August 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) I noticed the pedals seem to hit the power pads when they are folded up. I am fine with this as long as the pedals have some way of staying up even though they aren't flush with the side of the wheel. It would bother me though if they don't stay put and just flop around instead. Edited August 27, 2021 by itsmark 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shure2 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 What's everyone's opinion on the battery. This should be a 4p arrangement with the LG cell realistically outputting 10A Therefore the battery can provide 40A total. I think the Sherman is nearer 100A? Some efficiency gain at 126v vs 100v though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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