Ninebot One Z : Z6-Z8-Z10

[houseofjob]

5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

I don't know man. Here's a gif I made. Looks like he's trying to put the wheel through its paces. Not sure how far back you'd need to brake fast. You can't lean much further back than that without falling off the wheel.

Your GIF makes it even clearer: he's cocking back to transition backwards, smoothly as @kasenutty is saying.

If you've ever pendulum'd before, you know it's not a good idea to do a hard jerky brake, doesn't promote good balance.

[kasenutty]

Just now, houseofjob said:

Your GIF makes it even clearer: he's cocking back to transition backwards, smoothly as @kasenutty is saying.

If you've ever pendulum'd before, you know it's not a good idea to do a hard jerky brake, doesn't promote good balance.

 

I've overleaned doing a hard jerky pendulum and fallen on my ass, so I only do them like this guy now. 

[houseofjob]

13 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

I've overleaned doing a hard jerky pendulum and fallen on my ass, so I only do them like this guy now. 

Exactly!

Same reason I personally don't believe in this "hard braking", you can get plenty of stopping distance doing this delayed rock back, combined with S-curving.

Even better with the seated EUCs like the Monster & KS18S, as you can pommel-horse dismount alongside the brake, reducing the wheel's momentum.

Edited May 3, 2018 by houseofjob

[US69]

For the braking:

I guess we have to wait for really serious reviews, or?

I still doubt that a 59V wheel can achieve the same power as a 84V wheel, my experience told me something different, but ok?

Perhaps 9b achieved something new?!

To the different voltage on downhill. Its funny, as the 9b has 6Parallel packs not 2...So i would give nothing to this numbers.

While yeah, if the 6P is "daisy chained" it might be that because of some reverse diodes the braking recharge might not be split properly!

Bad design, IF so....

I still dont get the overhype ? 

[EUCMania]

3 minutes ago, US69 said:

For the braking:

I guess we have to wait for really serious reviews, or?

I still doubt that a 59V wheel can achieve the same power as a 84V wheel, my experience told me something different, but ok?

Perhaps 9b achieved something new?!

To the different voltage on downhill. Its funny, as the 9b has 6Parallel packs not 2...So i would give nothing to this numbers.

While yeah, if the 6P is "daisy chained" it might be that because of some reverse diodes the braking recharge might not be split properly!

Bad design, IF so....

I still dont get the overhype ? 

I think it is 2 packs of 3p15S, because it does have 2 separate set of power wires from the battery pack(s)?

Edited May 3, 2018 by EUCMania

[US69]

57 minutes ago, EUCMania said:

I think it is 2 packs of 3p15S, because it does have 2 separate set of power wires from the battery pack(s)?

Its a 14s6p system... but i have seen no conclusion why it should have been set to 2x 14s3p?

[houseofjob]

1 hour ago, US69 said:

I still doubt that a 59V wheel can achieve the same power as a 84V wheel, my experience told me something different, but ok?

No, don't think the same power, but getting fairly close is good enough for me!

 

1 hour ago, US69 said:

I still dont get the overhype ? 

Design, plain and simple.

You're more of a performance rider I think, but for many, especially newbies, it's more visual (not to mention, newbies are usually buying blind since they don't know how to ride yet).

Although subjective, no one can style like Ninebot IMHO. Even if it falls short of the comparative competition, if the Z is remotely in the ballpark, they have a winner I think.

[EUCMania]

23 minutes ago, US69 said:

Its a 14s6p system... but i have seen no conclusion why it should have been set to 2x 14s3p?

In the video of test in Taiwan, the rider showed that after downhill charging, one pack is 31%, the other is 18% full.

[RoberAce]

On 5/3/2018 at 12:20 AM, Boogieman said:

Aunque es gracioso. 1000-1500 $ obtendrá un modelo de motocicleta así que más viejo (incluyendo el equipo de seguridad), pero al mismo precio EUC nuevo lo conseguirá

viajar en la ciudad rápido y ágil,

sin licencia,

no hay leyes sobre una cerveza en ruta,

con la capacidad de conseguir adrenalina cuando sea necesario, (por lo menos espero que sea posible, soy pasar el buceo parachte, coches de carreras y motocicletas pero esto parece loco y divertido ? una rueda, bastante poco fiable entre el usuario y una planta de la cara. Como referencia i "disparó" mi ninebot mini plus en una escalera ... lol ... fue muy lento ... quería pasar 20 km / h (me pasaron las bicicletas grrrr).

 

Debería ser la primera opción para adolescentes. Parece estar en Asia. Pensé que era un bicho raro hasta que vi personas aquí y en youtube a mi edad -hijo (44, 90 kg y 191 cm, y aunque soy más fuerte que a los 20 años, soy mucho más cuidadoso / lamer cuando se trata de correr riesgos ahora)

Si EUC existiera cuando tuviera 20 años, estaría enloquecido, porque lo estoy haciendo ahora. Acabo de comprar uno después de aburrirme con el mini plus después de un mes (aunque es bueno usarlo cuando recojo paquetes o hace tiradas cortas), que inicialmente planificó tonuse para trabajar 2 * 16km con carga entre ellos, pero me doy cuenta de que tomará jajaja por siempre, así que el plan actual es quitar los guardabarros y encontrar las ruedas más grandes del disómetro que caben, esperando que aumente la velocidad máxima ... aunque con peor aceleración / frenado y menos torque de seguridad / auto equilibrio ... tal vez no funcione bien, ver .

No puedo esperar a z10 más, especialmente después del clip de frenada, mi ninebot se detiene más rápido jajaja (2 * 400w nom, 2 * 800w pico ... hmm nah prob no), solo hay que decidir entre fácil agarrar tesla o muy difícil de encontrar acm v2 que parece ser una opción sólida para carreras largas. Aunque no estoy seguro de la diferencia en el manejo entre los dos, no he visto ninguna comparación real ? he visto algunos de los videos de backs de Marty y bastantes recorridos de tesla de alta velocidad (pero muy pocas carreras largas). De todos modos ... si z10 acelera como un hámster, mi espera ha terminado. Solo tengo que decidir entre los dos anteriores y supongo que se trata de poder / agilidad (tesla) o crusing de largo alcance (acm) si lo entiendes bien.

Me gustaría un buen "en betweener", pero si tengo que elegir, elijo accel / power / agility (¿todavía con suficiente alcance para un viaje de alta velocidad de 2 * 16 km hacia / desde el trabajo, supongo?

 

[mrelwood]

I really don't understand the idea of testing maximum braking or acceleration speeds on an EUC. Isn't the only way to find out the maximum to over do it and fall down?

Or are we talking about how snappy the braking and acceleration _feels_?

Edited May 4, 2018 by mrelwood

[Marty Backe]

6 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

I really don't understand the idea of testing maximum braking or acceleration speeds on an EUC. Isn't the only way to find out the maximum to over do it and fall down?

Or are we talking about how snappy the braking and acceleration _feels_?

Yeah, you don't know how often (usually on Facebook) I'll get the question, "what's it's maximum speed". Like I'm supposed to take each wheel that I write about and ride it until it cuts-out, thus learning its top speed. And I get the max acceleration and braking questions too.

Why don't people just buy their wheels and enjoy them under reasonable conditions? This isn't 2015. Just about every quality wheel can send us on our way at 20+ mph with nice acceleration and braking.

I ride defensively. I never have the need to "slam on the brakes" to avoid a collision or to accelerate and beat a car across an intersection 

[mezzanine]

22 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Yeah, you don't know how often (usually on Facebook) I'll get the question, "what's it's maximum speed". Like I'm supposed to take each wheel that I write about and ride it until it cuts-out, thus learning its top speed. And I get the max acceleration and braking questions too.

Why don't people just buy their wheels and enjoy them under reasonable conditions? This isn't 2015. Just about every quality wheel can send us on our way at 20+ mph with nice acceleration and braking.

I ride defensively. I never have the need to "slam on the brakes" to avoid a collision or to accelerate and beat a car across an intersection 

I wish there was a way to sticky this in the introductions forum or something.  Especially the last sentence.  

[mrelwood]

Exactly! The only "maximum" I know about 16S is the maximum grip on wet mud in a curve at around 20km/h... I measured it at "barely any".

 

52 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

I ride defensively.

As your signature substantiates: I ride a Gotway Mten3, ACM2, MSuper V3s+, Monster, Tesla 

But seriously, I think I know what you mean. I do love riding fast when it's safe to do so, but as soon as I might even scare an elder by doing that, I'm down to Lhotz speeds.

Today I was almost hit by a car when riding my Airwheel below walking speed. Seems the speeding driver hadn't thought people could come from the yard behind a garage to cross the driveway. No further (unnecessary) risks needed.

Edited May 4, 2018 by mrelwood

[who_the]

1 hour ago, mrelwood said:

I really don't understand the idea of testing maximum braking or acceleration speeds on an EUC.

I do.

Being aware the capabilities and limits of any piece of equipment, especially one whose failure could cause injury, is crucial intelligence. In a perfect world, EUC's would be crash tested much as cars are. A rig could apply progressively higher weights (and centers of gravity) and progressively higher speeds and deceleration until a true safety "curve" emerges.

[Marty Backe]

10 minutes ago, who_the said:

I do.

Being aware the capabilities and limits of any piece of equipment, especially one whose failure could cause injury, is crucial intelligence. In a perfect world, EUC's would be crash tested much as cars are. A rig could apply progressively higher weights (and centers of gravity) and progressively higher speeds and deceleration until a true safety "curve" emerges.

But the only way to truly test the capabilities is to ride to failure. At least for me, I have no desire to ride at 20-mph and then do a hard stop, for fear of breaking my ass when/if the wheel cuts-out 

I do remember you pushing the hell out of that Mten3, so I do recognize you as a tester type 

[mrelwood]

3 hours ago, who_the said:

I do.

Being aware the capabilities and limits of any piece of equipment, especially one whose failure could cause injury, is crucial intelligence.

Absolutely it is. But people are comparing maximum braking speeds based on test drives (without a fall), or even just on a video (without a fall). I wanted to hear if there is some intelligence in that which I just don’t understand. If not, the discussed ”awareness” is plain false.

[Shad0z]

i see you online z3n  

[houseofjob]

6 hours ago, who_the said:

Being aware the capabilities and limits of any piece of equipment, especially one whose failure could cause injury, is crucial intelligence. In a perfect world, EUC's would be crash tested much as cars are. A rig could apply progressively higher weights (and centers of gravity) and progressively higher speeds and deceleration until a true safety "curve" emerges.

Don't just speak it, make it!

Until we have an actual metric for max overlean / braking force, it's all just unexact word-of-mouth.

[Scatcat]

7 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Exactly! The only "maximum" I know about 16S is the maximum grip on wet mud in a curve at around 20km/h... I measured it at "barely any".

[jojo33]

Z8 first feedback http://bbs.ninebot.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=144751&extra=page%3D1%26filter%3Ddateline%26orderby%3Dlastpost%26dateline%3D604800

[Kael]

So... hard to control by the sounds of things. At least for that guy. Formal shoes might be understandably tricky!

[Boogieman]

17 hours ago, houseofjob said:

You're more of a performance rider I think, but for many, especially newbies, it's more visual (not to mention, newbies are usually buying blind since they don't know how to ride yet).

Spot on. I am still having problem to decide on first wheel as there are no shop where you can try the models here in sweden (and besides i have tomlearn first anyway so lol), but choices are

1 - GW tesla (awesome speed and handling, can start out with all safety on then back off...but seems quality/safety is horible, reading on elctricunicycles.eu that even stopped selling gotway completely)

2- Inmotion V10 (safe and decent at eberything but not best at anything...imo that translates to boring in the long run) I have super WIDE EU size 45-46  feet (imagine onee extra toe wide) so the pedals attract a lot. And i can se the sound system come very much in handy on beach BBQ's ? or beach coktailing.

3- Acm v2 (awesome range but seems a bit wide, strange stance. I love to ride my ninebot mini plus tight against the stick but thats mostly for immediate reaction on steering...so different i guess)

4- ninebot z10 (super cool with the wide wheel and should be great for going up down the "step from walkway to road" (dont know the english name), also suoer safe based on my mini plus...too safe...dont even do the promised speed. Cool features like follow mode a nf pretty adjustable settings. Some dangerous fw updates though that promote face plants even on the ninebot)

Super hard to choose..will use it to commute to work (16km one way)/gym/friends/GF and fun riding with (new) people I hopefully will meet that also rides...not common in sweden, adrenaline riding with full gear. A mix... So based on that v10 that is also a mix sounds right, but the unlocked speed of the Tesla teases me HARD ?

Trying to read up here and watch videos, but im the end it will be allmost a coin flip so i migjt just go with easiest to find and cheapest choice...the tesla. The v10 seems sold out until july, so that is a bit late as summer starts in a month. Tesla i can get for $1350 and have it here in 3weeks from china. Acm v2 i have not even found a reseller for ?

 

sorry, dont wanna steal the thread, just wanted to say that the comment was spot on and then my brain wandered ?

Edited May 4, 2018 by Boogieman

[meepmeepmayer]

46 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

1 - GW tesla (awesome speed and handling, can start out with all safety on then back off...but seems quality/safety is horible, reading on elctricunicycles.eu that even stopped selling gotway completely)

This shop is (was) known for spreading FUD and misinformation about GW wheels (otherwise the shop is perfectly fine, and great website). Ignore whatever they have to say about GW. GW quality is (with the new models) on par with the others where it matters, if you get over the initial "Will my board die right away?" bump that sometimes appears.

[Harold Farrenkopf]

I'm kind of losing interest in the Z because of the availability issues and delays. The 10VF looks much nicer and is closer to the NB1E+ souped up to extreme!

 

[Xoltri]

Lots of exciting wheels coming out this year, I'm keeping my eyes open for real world reports before choosing.