New Veteran "Abrams" 22-inch Wheel

[EMA]

14 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Aren't these "small hollow" with no axle? Or was there another change?

yes, basically it's the same "old axle" design with a bigger bearing (compared to old motors) and the axle substituted with a small hollow bore .

super robust and easy to work on, it's used from several months in all motors like rs-exn-m24pro, right now only the commander and the nikola use the old gen axle motor.

[Eucner]

12 hours ago, fbhb said:

the "smaller hollow bore" and went down to a 6012 bearing (60x90x18)

The 6012 bearing size is 60x95x18 mm.

[meepmeepmayer]

4 hours ago, EMA said:

basically it's the same

Ok, I can agree with that Stick an axle into the Begode motor and you have something like the Abrams motor. The rest is very similar. I thought you meant that Begode have axles now, so I was confused.

5 hours ago, Planemo said:

Does look good I admit

It is good! Begode are "in the news" when they do some seriously dumb shit, but that sometimes hides their seriously great innovations.

In comparison, the Abrams has an (unneeded) axle and very limited space for the motor cable, while the rest of the setup is very comparable.

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Anyways, Abrams. The construction seems very heavy. How much weight do you think could be saved simply with a lighter construction (that otherwise does the same)? Do you think it could be a 35kg wheel? 30kg?

The cast metal board casing can't be weight effective. And I wonder if a lighter motor is possible. Any ideas?

[Rawnei]

6 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Ok, I can agree with that Stick an axle into the Begode motor and you have something like the Abrams motor. The rest is very similar. I thought you meant that Begode have axles now, so I was confused.

It is good! Begode are "in the news" when they do some seriously dumb shit, but that sometimes hides their seriously great innovations.

In comparison, the Abrams has an (unneeded) axle and very limited space for the motor cable, while the rest of the setup is very comparable.

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Anyways, Abrams. The construction seems very heavy. How much weight do you think could be saved simply with a lighter construction (that otherwise does the same)? Do you think it could be a 35kg wheel? 30kg?

The cast metal board casing can't be weight effective. And I wonder if a lighter motor is possible. Any ideas?

The pedals alone must be 2-3kgs, can shave couple of Kgs with better lighter hexpedals (coughclarkcough). 😂

[meepmeepmayer]

10 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

The pedals alone must be 2-3kgs

Are you sure? >1kg per pedal seems crazy.

[EMA]

37 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

The pedals alone must be 2-3kgs, can shave couple of Kgs with better lighter hexpedals (coughclarkcough). 😂

lol really ? begode pedals coming at 900g are huge and super robust...

[fbhb]

15 hours ago, Eucner said:

The 6012 bearing size is 60x95x18 mm.

Yep, definitely my typo error there! I've edited the original post now, thanks @Eucner.

[Rawnei]

20 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Are you sure? >1kg per pedal seems crazy.

Considering begode hexpedals are 1kg per pedal and these are not hexpedals but solid pieces seems pretty a pretty reasonable guestimate.

[Kekafuch]

 

Dennis weighs most of the parts. Pedals around 1kg each. 

[That Guy]

Interesting… He doesn’t like the quality of the wheel at all. :-) Is in comparison with Sherman or V12?..

The vibration however is most likely not because of the motor - as another Russian team established recently, it was because the excessive blue goo in the tyre.

[GoldenOne]

It seems the abrams has something of an issue with cutting out when accelerating or braking in what most people would consider a 'moderate' fashion. Hopefully this gets resolved

Vid 1:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CXCI2SzgZ6Y/?utm_medium=share_sheet

 

Vid 2:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXBcqQpluli/?utm_medium=copy_link

[RagingGrandpa]

33 minutes ago, GoldenOne said:

It seems the abrams has something of an issue with cutting out when accelerating or braking in what most people would consider a 'moderate' fashion. Hopefully this gets resolved

Vid 1:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CXCI2SzgZ6Y/?utm_medium=share_sheet

 

Vid 2:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXBcqQpluli/?utm_medium=copy_link

Yikes. Not an overlean... a glitch! Hope it's just software.

Hopefully one of these early owners can show a video of some aggressive pendulum thrusting.
Sherman riders get familiar with the lowspeed overlean limits very quickly this way (even lightweight riders can make it dip)... interested to know if the Abrams can take more aggressive shoving, or less shoving, than Sherm.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by RagingGrandpa

[supercurio]

32 minutes ago, GoldenOne said:

It seems the abrams has something of an issue with cutting out when accelerating or braking in what most people would consider a 'moderate' fashion. Hopefully this gets resolved

Vid 1:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CXCI2SzgZ6Y/?utm_medium=share_sheet

 

Vid 2:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXBcqQpluli/?utm_medium=copy_link

Ow, not pretty 

It looks like when being over-powered in some capacity, unlike every other wheels where the controller tries to recover motor control as soon as it gets the torque to, this one just gives up altogether.

Pretty bad a demo wheel.
As-is, this wheel it not safe to ride, that should be fixed immediately with firmware before more people fall.
The two examples we have here are at close to zero rotation speed. Hopefully it cannot happen at higher speeds, otherwise imagine the same happen at any bump or pothole.

[That Guy]

It never fails to surprise me how such obvious issues as low speed cutout or vibration due to incorrectly installed tubeless tyre is not picked up by the manufacturer before the first shipments... :-( C'mon, LeaperKim, you almost convinced the audience you "got it" about how to do things right in terms of built quality?

I hope this cutout is coming out of the controller setup and is an easy firmware version matter... 

[mrelwood]

On 11/29/2021 at 7:44 AM, Kekafuch said:

 

 

[Kekafuch]

2 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said:

Yikes. Not an overlean... a glitch! Hope it's just software.

Hopefully one of these early owners can show a video of some aggressive pendulum thrusting.
Sherman riders get familiar with the lowspeed overlean limits very quickly this way (even lightweight riders can make it dip)... interested to know if the Abrams can take more aggressive shoving, or less shoving, than Sherm.

 

The eevees video showed a rider penduluming the Abrams till it overheated. They claim over 10 minites of this abusive activity. 

[DjPanJan]

Thisis why i always prefer opinions from Mr.Hagof ,Adam (wrongway), And MR. Backe.

 over

E-rides etc(i mean e-shop content) where is everything awesome great perfect unique.

Dont understand me wrong i love e-rides and other chanels content about EUC disasemblys videos opinions etc.

But for real buy opinion is first 3 names in this post primal source becasue i never make bad decision folowed this "holy" trio.  

About abrams time tell i was very sceptical about sherman but after they make sherman V2 i am happy owner this euc this mean abrams V2 still can be my next euc.

In next 5 months many things can change.  

 

[Kekafuch]

One guy bashes the build quality while the other praises it … 

https://youtu.be/Tf6ILyVi-UY

 

 

[Kekafuch]

5 hours ago, DjPanJan said:

Thisis why i always prefer opinions from Mr.Hagof ,Adam (wrongway), And MR. Backe.

 over

E-rides etc(i mean e-shop content) where is everything awesome great perfect unique.

Dont understand me wrong i love e-rides and other chanels content about EUC disasemblys videos opinions etc.

But for real buy opinion is first 3 names in this post primal source becasue i never make bad decision folowed this "holy" trio.  

About abrams time tell i was very sceptical about sherman but after they make sherman V2 i am happy owner this euc this mean abrams V2 still can be my next euc.

In next 5 months many things can change.  

 

Mr Hagof is also a e-shop though? I admire his criticisms but surely has some bias. Even WrongWay likely has some bias as he manages his brand but likely more neutral vs a retailer.

Marty , now that guy is hard to read. Retired. Wheel nut. More than likely answers to nobody  

[Jpd]

Let’s hope it’s just a firmware glitch, something easily remedied. 
I preordered this wheel, thinking it would be more reliable than any Gotway wheels. I’ve already had a low speed cutout on an exn, one more cutout like that and I’ll probably start looking for a different hobby 😢

[EMA]

8 hours ago, Jpd said:

Let’s hope it’s just a firmware glitch, something easily remedied. 
I preordered this wheel, thinking it would be more reliable than any Gotway wheels. I’ve already had a low speed cutout on an exn, one more cutout like that and I’ll probably start looking for a different hobby 😢

tbh a low speed cut is always possible with a speed motor, no matter what, and it's even easier on >19' diameter .

( the only solution is c38 motors )

[mrelwood]

On 12/4/2021 at 8:13 PM, Kekafuch said:

Mr Hagof is also a e-shop though? I admire his criticisms but surely has some bias. Even WrongWay likely has some bias as he manages his brand but likely more neutral vs a retailer.

I’m not perfectly sure about that. Hagov can still order as many units as he wants, and still has lots of other wheels to sell as well, while a bad enough review could stop the “for review” units from being shipped to an individual YouTuber.

On 12/4/2021 at 8:13 PM, Kekafuch said:

Marty , now that guy is hard to read. Retired. Wheel nut. More than likely answers to nobody  

Sure, the ones who buy the wheels they review are generally more honest. But they too have strong personal biases like everyone of us. They can also be the least educated on the matter, or have the least knowledge on wheels in general.

 

12 hours ago, EMA said:

tbh a low speed cut is always possible with a speed motor, no matter what, and it's even easier on >19' diameter .

( the only solution is c38 motors )

Either you or @Jpd is mixing the terms “cutout“ and ”overlean”.

A cutout is a wheel failure, unrelated to riding behavior. Comes out of the blue. Can be prevented by better wheel design and QC.

An overlean is a rider induced situation where the rider asks more power for staying upright than the wheel has the capability to deliver. Can be prevented by educating (or by learning from one’s mistakes).

[EMA]

14 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Either you or @Jpd is mixing the terms “cutout“ and ”overlean”.

A cutout is a wheel failure, unrelated to riding behavior. Comes out of the blue. Can be prevented by better wheel design and QC.

An overlean is a rider induced situation where the rider asks more power for staying upright than the wheel has the capability to deliver. Can be prevented by educating (or by learning from one’s mistakes).

of course 

we are talking about overlean or overpower

[Mrd777]

Viewing a FEW different cut-outs on the Abrams seen off Facebook, Instagram and youtube is very concerning. I read a response from LeaperKim that the wheel was a demo unit and production wheels have been addressed.  From what I see, these were production wheels in the field. These motor cuts were on braking..  Bad News.

[Ronin]