meepmeepmayer Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Now that's the level of model-to-model improvement we want to see! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, fbhb said: This motor cable junction box should make tire changes a lot easier and faster. Same thing with control board replacements, although I'm going to have to brush up on my soldering skills with the motor cables being soldered directly to the control board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 hours ago, squirrel said: I agree, the more I see about the Abrams, the more I'm really stoked for it. I need a wheel I can ride in wet weather, T3 certainly doesn't fit that bill. My preorder has been in for a while, and I'm getting impatient! However I've never ridden a Monster so I'm a bit nervous about the size/weight, but it really looks like a great cruiser from where I sit. how can you buy a 22'' without even try it ? crazy ! find a monster and ride it !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, fbhb said: Just a few more of the photos of the "Modular" construction posted by Bradley Michael Spence of eevee's on Facebook (for those that don't do Facebook): Wait a minute... Are battery compartments just bolted to the frame? I wonder how easy it would be to swap them? Edited October 18, 2021 by That Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 3:06 AM, fbhb said: On 10/17/2021 at 7:55 AM, Asphalt said: This motor cable junction box should make tire changes a lot easier and faster. Seems like a kluge to me... the cable bundle has to pass thru small openings in the shell, so there's not enough room for a nice inline connector (MT60, etc). So we're stuck with cheap crimp terminals and nuts that can rattle loose. On 10/16/2021 at 11:50 PM, fbhb said: On 10/17/2021 at 7:55 AM, Asphalt said: I'm going to have to brush up on my soldering skills with the motor cables being soldered directly to the control board Seems like a miss here... the large bullet (Gotway) or screw-post (Sherman) connectors could handle larger bursts of current before desoldering themselves. Future revisions get better connectors, perhaps? And what's going on with these GX16-5 pinouts? 2 pins for battery current and 3 pins for other things? Many secrets remain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Hmm looks like the battery cables are soldered onto the board or are those some sort of bullet connectors? If soldered will be difficult to swap the board. 15 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said: And what's going on with these GX16-5 pinouts? 2 pins for battery current and 3 pins for other things? Many secrets remain... The smaller cables are probably for lights and such, they just go out the same opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted October 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2021 Abrams battery packs are sealed in individual housings and incorporated into the side panels. Photo courtesy of Afeez of e-Rides via Facebook: Very nicely done! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Paul Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, fbhb said: Abrams battery packs are sealed in individual housings and incorporated into the side panels. Photo courtesy of Afeez of e-Rides via Facebook: Very nicely done! Any idea what the wh per battery pack is? Wondering if it’ll be 4 total or if the weight is going to be off balanced like the exn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Paul Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Answered my own question. Great news! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Huh, that means that (probably) 2 battery casings form one pack. Oh well, they did that kind of split on the Sherman, so no problem. Really nice improvement in design quality! From Gotway-level foil pack to a nice plastic box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted October 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Denny Paul said: Any idea what the wh per battery pack is? For Abrams, the "pack module" is the entire side-assembly pictured above. 27100 24s 3p 1332wh. It looks like they built it using two sealed boxes of 12s3p each. Lovely. (You should not replace just one 12s 'box' though; the entire 1332wh assembly of two boxes becomes one 24s "pack") Like this: 39 minutes ago, Denny Paul said: weight is going to be off balanced like the exn? It will be balanced Edited October 21, 2021 by RagingGrandpa 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 The move to sealed boxes is awesome, it's just a shame that by doing so it does waste some unused space within the shell. A really good use of available space (like the Z10) could cram in more Wh (and maybe make each pack 4P possibly?) but buyers of this wheel are unlikely to be bothered I am sure. Deffo a good move though, I like it! Given that the boxes look well screwed to the panel, lets hope that the panel is well screwed to the shell! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denny Paul Posted October 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2021 Browsing Afeez’s / Erides photos, I came across this gem: compares the monster pro, commander, and Abrams all in the flesh. is it just me, or is the tire size on the Abrams and monster pro essentially the same?! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Can't wait for the first ride reports for this beauty, likely from either eevee's or e-rides this weekend... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EMA Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 this is probably the first wheel close to Z10 in term of build quality, and probably also the reason of the insane weight. i've asked @Afeez Kay to put the wheel on a scale after mounting the battery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mango Posted October 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2021 Imagine buying any modern motorcycle and getting Gotway level of quality build and materials. No motorcycle buyer would support such a company, so why do we vote with our wallets for Gotway quality when such wheels dependability directly affects our well-being. I will support a company that strives for build quality and innovative features. I will buy the Abrams because they are doing the right things that matter. I don't care if it weighs a little more, or if the battery capacity is less than its competitors. It's all noise in the grand scheme of the EUC universe timeline. The Abrams is the closest thing to motorcycle-class transport on one wheel. It's still the very early days... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 https://www.facebook.com/Afeez.trymyev/videos/1923594954478745 27.6kg + 11kg battery raw + shell = a lot well made but could really reach 44kg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Mango said: Imagine buying any modern motorcycle and getting Gotway level of quality build and materials. No motorcycle buyer would support such a company, so why do we vote with our wallets for Gotway quality when such wheels dependability directly affects our well-being. I will support a company that strives for build quality and innovative features. I will buy the Abrams because they are doing the right things that matter. I don't care if it weighs a little more, or if the battery capacity is less than its competitors. It's all noise in the grand scheme of the EUC universe timeline. The Abrams is the closest thing to motorcycle-class transport on one wheel. It's still the very early days... Guys want to ride 5% faster than the other riders. Nothing else matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Mango said: Imagine buying any modern motorcycle and getting Gotway level of quality build and materials. No motorcycle buyer would support such a company, so why do we vote with our wallets for Gotway quality when such wheels dependability directly affects our well-being. I will support a company that strives for build quality and innovative features. I will buy the Abrams because they are doing the right things that matter. I don't care if it weighs a little more, or if the battery capacity is less than its competitors. It's all noise in the grand scheme of the EUC universe timeline. The Abrams is the closest thing to motorcycle-class transport on one wheel. It's still the very early days... 8 minutes ago, GothamMike said: Guys want to ride 5% faster than the other riders. Nothing else matters. Come on guys lets be real for a moment, how many Gotways have you guys owned? Comments like these feel like someone just repeating things that someone else said that wasn't well founded to begin with. Historically all wheels from all manufacturers have had various limitations and/or problems, Gotway however has set itself apart with superior performance and believe it or not great durability. Like Mango I dare you to go up a long steep incline on your Sherman, will you risk the motherboard burning up? Mike I can go more than 10kmh faster on my MSP High Torque model than you on your KS18 while getting more range at the same time, I've also ridden it in both rain and snow no problems. So why are you guys even bashing on Gotway for? What's your basis for that? This next generation of wheels coming are like the first generation of wheels where all the manufacturers actually starts to listen to community and take things like waterproofing more seriously and also first generation where we start to see wheels to match Gotway performance (LeaperKim excluded), this hasn't happened before and these wheels aren't even out yet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rawnei said: Come on guys lets be real for a moment, how many Gotways have you guys owned? Comments like these feel like someone just repeating things that someone else said that wasn't well founded to begin with. Historically all wheels from all manufacturers have had various limitations and/or problems, Gotway however has set itself apart with superior performance and believe it or not great durability. Like Mango I dare you to go up a long steep incline on your Sherman, will you risk the motherboard burning up? Mike I can go more than 10kmh faster on my MSP High Torque model than you on your KS18 while getting more range at the same time, I've also ridden it in both rain and snow no problems. So why are you guys even bashing on Gotway for? What's your basis for that? This next generation of wheels coming are like the first generation of wheels where all the manufacturers actually starts to listen to community and take things like waterproofing more seriously and also first generation where we start to see wheels to match Gotway performance (LeaperKim excluded), this hasn't happened before and these wheels aren't even out yet. You just proved my point. I've seen GWs held together with zip-ties and duct tape. Shoddy. Almost all fires are from GW/BG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, GothamMike said: You just proved my point. I've seen GWs held together with zip-ties and duct tape. Shoddy. Almost all fires are from GW/BG. Wow you really live in a bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 17 hours ago, Rawnei said: Come on guys lets be real for a moment, how many Gotways have you guys owned? Comments like these feel like someone just repeating things that someone else said that wasn't well founded to begin with. One. I refrained from purchasing any more Gotway wheels based on teardown videos and photos of its atrocious build quality that’s all over the internet. Do I need to own a Gotway to know they have terrible shells (not great durability, sorry), wood screws and highest rate of fire incidents. 17 hours ago, Rawnei said: Like Mango I dare you to go up a long steep incline on your Sherman, will you risk the motherboard burning up? This makes no sense, it’s like me telling you to ride 80km/h with your MSP HT. Will you risk a cut out, dislocate your limbs, and be a meat crayon on the road? 17 hours ago, Rawnei said: This next generation of wheels coming are like the first generation of wheels where all the manufacturers actually starts to listen to community and take things like waterproofing more seriously and also first generation where we start to see wheels to match Gotway performance (LeaperKim excluded), this hasn't happened before and these wheels aren't even out yet. I haven’t seen any latest wheels from Gotway/Begode/EB to believe they have improved their build quality. Have you seen Wrong Ways latest video unboxing of the EXN. Their god-awful electrical connections are a major fire risk, Adam himself pointed this out. People who can’t debate facts (like high incidence of Gotway fires) but resort to ad hominem attacks already lost their argument. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mango said: Do I need to own a Gotway to know they have terrible shells (not great durability, sorry), wood screws and highest rate of fire incidents. Yes actually, first hand experience means a lot, practice weighs a lot more than theory, lots of theorycrafters on this forum that ignore real world scenarios, lots of people ride Gotways for a reason despite all their flaws. 1 hour ago, Mango said: This makes no sense, it’s like me telling you to ride 80km/h with your MSP HT. Will you risk a cut out, dislocate your limbs, and be a meat crayon on the road? You're telling me it makes no sense then make a ridiculous comparison, the point is that the Sherman will burn up from things that is normal use in all the other wheels, it's a major flaw, I own a Sherman myself and is very aware of this flaw. 1 hour ago, Mango said: I haven’t seen any latest wheels from Gotway/Begode/EB to believe they have improved their build quality. Have you seen Wrong Ways latest video unboxing of the EXN. Their god-awful electrical connections are a major fire risk, Adam himself pointed this out. People who can’t debate facts (like high incidence of Gotway fires) but resort to ad hominem attacks already lost their argument. Nobody is arguing that they couldn't do better, you don't see me defending those things, I want good build quality from all the manufactures just as anyone else, why wouldn't I? But the fact remains that all wheels have their flaws, how many current wheels do you think are really waterproof? Not many, get water in your wheel and all sorts of bad things can happen, this is regardless of manufacturer. And don't just looking at the electronics ignoring everything else, many wheels have brittle shells that crack or deform over time if you use it heavily like off-roading or skateparks, you mention Gotway have terrible shells this is just not true at all, they hold up very well in a crash or when dropped or what not, why do you think most people choose a Gotway wheel for off-roading? Of course any wheel will probably get damaged if you crash spectacularly at high speed then it doesn't matter if you have an Abrams or whatnot the force of impact will be too great and the whole argument is moot. Edited October 23, 2021 by Rawnei 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alexutlang Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 6:10 PM, Rawnei said: Come on guys lets be real for a moment, how many Gotways have you guys owned? Comments like these feel like someone just repeating things that someone else said that wasn't well founded to begin with. Historically all wheels from all manufacturers have had various limitations and/or problems, Gotway however has set itself apart with superior performance and believe it or not great durability. Like Mango I dare you to go up a long steep incline on your Sherman, will you risk the motherboard burning up? Mike I can go more than 10kmh faster on my MSP High Torque model than you on your KS18 while getting more range at the same time, I've also ridden it in both rain and snow no problems. So why are you guys even bashing on Gotway for? What's your basis for that? This next generation of wheels coming are like the first generation of wheels where all the manufacturers actually starts to listen to community and take things like waterproofing more seriously and also first generation where we start to see wheels to match Gotway performance (LeaperKim excluded), this hasn't happened before and these wheels aren't even out yet. Agree, I had more problems with my kingsong S18, 18L and Inmotion V8 than any of my Gotway/Begode (mten3, MSP, RS and Mpro) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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