DjPanJan Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Thisis why i always prefer opinions from Mr.Hagof ,Adam (wrongway), And MR. Backe. over E-rides etc(i mean e-shop content) where is everything awesome great perfect unique. Dont understand me wrong i love e-rides and other chanels content about EUC disasemblys videos opinions etc. But for real buy opinion is first 3 names in this post primal source becasue i never make bad decision folowed this "holy" trio. About abrams time tell i was very sceptical about sherman but after they make sherman V2 i am happy owner this euc this mean abrams V2 still can be my next euc. In next 5 months many things can change. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekafuch Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 One guy bashes the build quality while the other praises it … https://youtu.be/Tf6ILyVi-UY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekafuch Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 5 hours ago, DjPanJan said: Thisis why i always prefer opinions from Mr.Hagof ,Adam (wrongway), And MR. Backe. over E-rides etc(i mean e-shop content) where is everything awesome great perfect unique. Dont understand me wrong i love e-rides and other chanels content about EUC disasemblys videos opinions etc. But for real buy opinion is first 3 names in this post primal source becasue i never make bad decision folowed this "holy" trio. About abrams time tell i was very sceptical about sherman but after they make sherman V2 i am happy owner this euc this mean abrams V2 still can be my next euc. In next 5 months many things can change. Mr Hagof is also a e-shop though? I admire his criticisms but surely has some bias. Even WrongWay likely has some bias as he manages his brand but likely more neutral vs a retailer. Marty , now that guy is hard to read. Retired. Wheel nut. More than likely answers to nobody 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpd Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Let’s hope it’s just a firmware glitch, something easily remedied. I preordered this wheel, thinking it would be more reliable than any Gotway wheels. I’ve already had a low speed cutout on an exn, one more cutout like that and I’ll probably start looking for a different hobby 😢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Jpd said: Let’s hope it’s just a firmware glitch, something easily remedied. I preordered this wheel, thinking it would be more reliable than any Gotway wheels. I’ve already had a low speed cutout on an exn, one more cutout like that and I’ll probably start looking for a different hobby 😢 tbh a low speed cut is always possible with a speed motor, no matter what, and it's even easier on >19' diameter . ( the only solution is c38 motors ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted December 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 8:13 PM, Kekafuch said: Mr Hagof is also a e-shop though? I admire his criticisms but surely has some bias. Even WrongWay likely has some bias as he manages his brand but likely more neutral vs a retailer. I’m not perfectly sure about that. Hagov can still order as many units as he wants, and still has lots of other wheels to sell as well, while a bad enough review could stop the “for review” units from being shipped to an individual YouTuber. On 12/4/2021 at 8:13 PM, Kekafuch said: Marty , now that guy is hard to read. Retired. Wheel nut. More than likely answers to nobody Sure, the ones who buy the wheels they review are generally more honest. But they too have strong personal biases like everyone of us. They can also be the least educated on the matter, or have the least knowledge on wheels in general. 12 hours ago, EMA said: tbh a low speed cut is always possible with a speed motor, no matter what, and it's even easier on >19' diameter . ( the only solution is c38 motors ) Either you or @Jpd is mixing the terms “cutout“ and ”overlean”. A cutout is a wheel failure, unrelated to riding behavior. Comes out of the blue. Can be prevented by better wheel design and QC. An overlean is a rider induced situation where the rider asks more power for staying upright than the wheel has the capability to deliver. Can be prevented by educating (or by learning from one’s mistakes). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 14 hours ago, mrelwood said: Either you or @Jpd is mixing the terms “cutout“ and ”overlean”. A cutout is a wheel failure, unrelated to riding behavior. Comes out of the blue. Can be prevented by better wheel design and QC. An overlean is a rider induced situation where the rider asks more power for staying upright than the wheel has the capability to deliver. Can be prevented by educating (or by learning from one’s mistakes). of course we are talking about overlean or overpower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrd777 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Viewing a FEW different cut-outs on the Abrams seen off Facebook, Instagram and youtube is very concerning. I read a response from LeaperKim that the wheel was a demo unit and production wheels have been addressed. From what I see, these were production wheels in the field. These motor cuts were on braking.. Bad News. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GoldenOne Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Mrd777 said: Viewing a FEW different cut-outs on the Abrams seen off Facebook, Instagram and youtube is very concerning. I read a response from LeaperKim that the wheel was a demo unit and production wheels have been addressed. From what I see, these were production wheels in the field. These motor cuts were on braking.. Bad News. I'd believe it if it was just one, or indeed one of the demo wheels sent to a retailer. But even ignoring the video that has been getting most of the attention, there have been two others which were actual retail units. So it seems that this is not the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 This is very unfortunate as I was really looking forward to a larger wheel with good build quality. There is some chatter about the demo units having a different motor than production, but I can't confirm nor do I trust that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekafuch Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Ronin Ryder said: Another great journalist quality piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kekafuch Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mrd777 said: Viewing a FEW different cut-outs on the Abrams seen off Facebook, Instagram and youtube is very concerning. I read a response from LeaperKim that the wheel was a demo unit and production wheels have been addressed. From what I see, these were production wheels in the field. These motor cuts were on braking.. Bad News. video 1 - Erides with a tall guy braking and it cut out. This one could be pre production as their wheel was delivered w the batteries separate. video 2 - Denis Hagov standing torque test and cut out. He claims online that the wheel was part of a 10 batch order for delivery. video 3 - Igors Maslakovs braking with a bar span and cuts out. Seems like a third Abrams but not sure. The thread on EUC Forum facebook group where the third video (Igor Maslakov) was posted and some comments by Mr Hagov and where ewheels email was posted is gone. edit - post is still there. Not deleted. Edited December 6, 2021 by Kekafuch 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Ryder Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kekafuch said: video 2 - Denis Hagov standing torque test and cut out. He claims online that the wheel was part of a 10 batch order for delivery. Not "claim", it's real, he posted pictures of the stocks he received ready for (euc) sale. Edited December 6, 2021 by Ronin Ryder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrd777 Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 I asked Denis to test his other production wheels he has in stock, he replied he would give it a go with another Abrams and document it in a video… stay tuned. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjPanJan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 How i understand problem is here because bad/missing insulation somewhere? Or battery is just too weak(6p abrams vs 10p sherman) for this big motor. 3500W is hudge but is only number MSP2500w and sherman 2500W looks similar but no way in real life gigantic diference in power. Maybee becasue big tire diameter is problem for controler monster pro is "weak" in hard braking or aceleration too. I remeber wrongway video where Adam overlean monster PRO simply by make aceleration test. And this blue BLOB "drama" inside tire means somebody is hard incopentent in Veteran company they send absolutely without testing product to market we expect sherman competitor and not ALPHA version concept. I just want High torque sherman i know i am too simply i not ride over 43km/h 28mp/h anyway ant they make Abrams just big WTF for me 🤦♀️ like heavy 🐷 rider. Why wtf because this 3500w motor is propably "speed motor" and this is bigest disapointment for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mango Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Denis Hagov - “Good One:) 6:45 leans but not cut off. so now I curious I remember the same wheel was overpowered on braking. So the story become more and more strange’ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kekafuch Posted December 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 From https://instagram.com/euc.oi?utm_medium=copy_link 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekafuch Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Lightweight rider but he has gone out of his way to share some pendulum testing of a batch 1 Abrams. https://youtu.be/KskwXUkKCsM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kekafuch said: Lightweight rider but he has gone out of his way to share some pendulum testing of a batch 1 Abrams. https://youtu.be/KskwXUkKCsM It surprises me many didn't get that it's not at all about pendulum, it's about momentary over-power, and see what happens. In this video, the wheel was over-powered 0 times in so many different ways, all of them ineffective. Provided you have some kind of pads installed, anybody can over-power any wheel (even HT models) by slamming their shin into the front pads, Without power pads, if you try a few times by pressing hard on the front of the pedals at speed 0. I'm concerned that both distributors and users are showing how to evaluate their wheel with an invalid test, and will subsequently keep a defective wheel until someone gets hurt. Edited December 10, 2021 by supercurio 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 Quote EUC.sale Important Announcement !!! LeaperKim Veteran Abrams First Batch. After you receive and activate the wheel please perform the test provided in the video below. Push hard as you can in power pads forward and backward at least 10 times. If the wheel start lean forward and backward as provided on video but not switch off. then You are lucky and the wheel are in 100% working order. But if the wheel suddenly switch off and the E HALL message appear then the motor need to be changed. Please contact your dealer for future information and repair. PLEASE do not ride the wheel on public until this test are done. Stay safe. https://www.facebook.com/100636518016437/videos/674903463666591 Umm... how about: the vendor does this test before shipping the wheel?? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, RagingGrandpa said: Umm... how about: the vendor does this test before shipping the wheel?? From what I understand they had already shipped them before they where aware there was a problem 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Afeez mentioned "fix the issue with a firmware update"... kinda freaky, hope everything's physically OK with the motor sensors and this is just from normal production tolerances. 6 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 The braking cutout in Afeez's video was far too gentle to be caused by over power, so maybe the firmware change was to allow a bit more timing slop to account for hall sensor placement? Only Veteran knows for sure. Odd to me that the wheel doesn't beep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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