Dog chasing EUC riders small advice how to handle situation like this 🐕

[DjPanJan]

We returned slowly home and a dog started chasing/hunting us. Why hunt? Because he wait when we(me and dog) lost eye contact.

Unexpectedly, he ran out of the owner, who did not have him on a leash (fail). He started hunting us like his prey(ducks).

He jumped in our way.

How try to solve it?

Do not panic and try do not fall, slowly to slow down and try to keep moving away from the teeth of the hunting animal and do not run into it.(dodge teeth)

Use short loud strong scream on dog and be silent after.

He usually gives up soon after scream.

(warning)Acceleration therefore irritates him carefull and trigger chase instinct.

Best is to gradually reduce speed but not stop completly.(this rule working only when dog chase or hunt only)

If dog want kill/destroy you (It was not our/this/video case we "met" dog who love chasing/hunting)  is easy recognize he atack or sprint on you when rider and dog are in eye contact ,this is worst situation when definetly bite you this is fixable only by telescopic batton (or other weapon) idealy ownder intervention ,some dog are hyper dangerous when defending master or property never slow down or stop try go away from his "master" or "teritory" if is possible when you meet "battle dog".

"battle dog" make you crash and bite when you are on ground and nothing stop him tear you cloth and body only owner/violence/exhaustion stop him.

What dogs I call "battle dog" is not about size or breed, "battle dog" is the setting of the animal's mind certainly everyone in life has met with this type of dog is the type he likes when he hurts and others are afraid of it is the type of aggressive dominance.

We were lucky that the dog we met just wanted to chase and a little hunting for the black things that go on the road(EUC). When I saw what he was doing girl on KS16X it would be useless to pull out the telescopic baton just yell.

I like animals I am against harming animals, I would rather punish the owner, buy a dog and not train him, for obedience is the irresponsible behavior of the owner who threatens the surroundings of the bike path of children skaters skateboards and pedestrians and other smaller dogs.

Please share you advices/tips what to do and how avoid situations like this.

I realy want hear you personal  experiences and opinion.

I wish everyone many happy miles without incident/s.

 

 

[Rawnei]

I would probably just stop, let the owner handle the dog and most likely talk to the owner.

[mrelwood]

This is an important subject, since pretty much every rider will face the situation at some point.

But your tips might not be the best ones, since you didn’t consider why dogs attack us in the first place.

 As you can clearly see on the video, the dog is not barking at the rider. It’s barking at the EUC. Dogs are able to differentiate the EUC as a separate entity to the rider.

I have heard of two sensible explanations for dogs attacking the EUC:

1) The high pitched tones that come from the EUC any time it’s powered on. We can also hear a few of those whining tones, and I’m sure there are a few very high tones beyond human hearing that makes the dogs go crazy.

2) The owner of the dog that caused my first dangerous encounter, told me that dogs have trouble understanding a human going forward without moving ones limbs. She said that the dogs sometimes react the same way to skateboarders.

I haven’t yet been successful in moving my arms enough that would satisfy the dog I’m passing. Granted, I have been a bit shy trying this.

3) The same dog owner told me that some dogs try to rescue a poor human that has been attacked and is being forcefully moved around by a skateboard, or for example a wheelchair.

These aspects would make stepping off from the whiney thing that drags humans here and there, the best approach. I’m pretty sure that pet dogs would practically never physically attack you after stepping off the EUC. 

A few times I have met a dog before I start riding. They are of course dubious about my gear, but there’s nothing that makes them hunt or attack, and they extremely rarely even bark.

[Seba]

52 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

This is an important subject, since pretty much every rider will face the situation at some point.

But your tips might not be the best ones, since you didn’t consider why dogs attack us in the first place.

As my favorite form of EUC riding is long distance journeys, the route of which usually leads through rural areas, "meetings" with dogs are frequent. In the past I simply tried to speed up and run away, but I found out that even small dogs can run surprisingly fast. One day I stopped, turned around in front of the dog and it turned out that the dog stopped chasing me. He stood at a certain distance from me and all he did was bark. When I then resumed my ride, the dog did not try to chase me. It turned out that this method worked well in all subsequent cases. So far the effectiveness is 100 %.

[LanghamP]

I got a small dog during the coronavirus, having not previously "owned" a dog. I'm more a cat person, anyway. 

My observation, which has translated well towards other aggressive dogs, is to simply say "what?" in an annoyed voice with hands on hips. Dogs seem strangely skilled in picking that up, while yelling at them either makes them flee or be much more aggressive.

[mike_bike_kite]

3 hours ago, DjPanJan said:

He jumped in our way.

How try to solve it?

As others have said, just stop. Dogs don't understand priority rights on footpaths. If you genuinely don't like dogs then just avoid riding in places where people walk them off lead. You do seem to have an unnecessarily violent approach to fairly small issues. 

[gon2fast]

It is best to give any animal/person/car acting skittish the right of way. 

 

[Scubadragonsan]

I've been chased by a Collier and the owner tried to blame me for his dog almost ran over by a car. This dog would chase skateboarders, EUC riders... and the dog was off leash. I think the issue is solely on the shoulders of dog owners on training their dogs properly. Most dogs don't chase people at least not when they are leashed and under the dog owners' control. The dogs that chase people and are off leash do because they aren't trained not to chase people. EUC riders do not always know where these dogs are coming from and should not have to be responsible for their behaviors. Anyways, when a dog is off leash and attack people, in most states, it's the owner's fault. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by scubadragosan

[RetroThruster]

Ahh, a mail carriers best friend.  Oh but wait, the owner always says "he/she doesn't bite" while the dog comes up and bites you on the leg when you have a handful of packages and a scanner in the other hand...  I encounter them daily on my route and it's my belief that people don't know canines at all, pets are a lot of responsibility and guess what, if your dog bites me while delivering a parcel to your porch, it's the property owners fault.  It is my belief that there are no bad dogs and they're bread to chase things, part of being a dog, it's the owners that I have a problem with.  Rant over.

[redsnapper]

IMO best move is to stop, get beside wheel, crouch down and show the dog your back... This will diffuse most situations (especially with larger breeds where a direct challenge could get bloody). Trying to outrun a dog is not a good idea and will only trigger the dog`s predation instinct further and might lead to a crash/collision... But people are supposed to have dogs on leads if they are not sufficiently trained to avoid chasing stuff!

[RockyTop]

On 12/2/2020 at 12:46 PM, RetroThruster said:

Ahh, a mail carriers best friend.

Mail carriers look like home invaders to most dogs. They just don’t understand the situation. I had a UPS guy walk three steps up my 120 foot driveway when he spotted my dog pinned up on the porch 30 yards away. He tossed my packages up in the air and retreated back to his truck and closed the doors. My dog saw this as go time. He jumped over the porch rail and fell about 12 feet to the ground. He got up and ran to the  packages on the ground wagging his tail. The boxes contained dog food and a bark box with monthly dog toys. My dog walked to the front of the truck and sat down in a begging stance. ( please mister, can you open my bark box? I smell treats.) The guy yelled, “ That dog is trying to kill me!!!!” 
 

Edit update: It has been over a year and Ingo has not jumped off the porch again. He is a 35 pound bird dog, not a bird. It must have hurt the first time he did it and decided he is too old for that kind of thing.   (6 years old)
 

While I do understand that dogs do get aggressive and do bite even when the owner says that they do not. The scene was ridiculous. The guy’s response created the problem. 
 

I have always treated almost all dogs as I would my own. First with a welcoming voice then with a low scolding voice if they don’t respond to my welcome. I never act scared and try my best to warn them that I do bite if I am pushed too hard.
 

I have only been attacked once in my life. It was by a junk yard dog. (large Wiemer Rhiemer Doberman mix?)   I blocked him from biting my face with my hand. When I realized that my hand was taking damage I helped him out a bit by forcing my hand down his throat. He tried to back up so I grabbed his collar and pushed my hand harder down his throat. He didn’t really like that. I had control of his collar and his head.  I yelled BAD DOG and he kinda lost his fight after that. I don’t think he could breathe. When I finally pulled my hand out he ran off.  I found out later that the dog had never had human contact. The owner could not even touch the dog. They controlled his location with food. They would toss food in a caged area in the morning to lock them up during the day and set them free into the scrap yard at night. I got some nasty cuts. My friends wife stitched me up. She is a RN. They did not want to go to court.  I ended up getting a 63’ Malibu out of the deal. ( good  Black paint, no engine, clean title) 

Edited May 2, 2022 by RockyTop

[mrelwood]

Just remembered, during my first year of riding, a leashless dog got free from the owner’s hands and started catching me. I was already annoyed that people keep dogs free in areas where it’s forbidden by law, among other things, and I had already accelerated to around 30km/h after passing them, so I kept going.

I had zero fear of it biting me, either because of the bed or the way it barked. For a second I thought I should run the dog as far as I can just to scare the owner, before turning and taking it back of course. But the dog stopped and turned back to the owner who was clearly worried and yelling the dogs name.

 

Another encounter was a year later when a Corgi (or similar) dog was (again illegally) roaming free without the owner in sight. The dog started running with me and @UniVehje. He didn’t even bark that much, he was just running beside me!

 Whenever I pass dog parks though, it’s a certainty that a dog (or all of them) will run along the fence barking. That would actually be a good safe place to test how the dog reacts to various acts.

[RockyTop]

Nice dog! .... He is mine now! ...   come on boy!! 

[AtlasP]

13 hours ago, mrelwood said:

...you didn’t consider why dogs attack us in the first place.

It is not and should not be my responsibility to become an expert on or even to have to consider the psychology of someone else's pet to go about my daily life in public. People doing a perfectly acceptable thing like riding a bike/PEV/etc in human spaces (not out tormenting wildlife in a national park on a dirtbike or something) should be free to do so without fear of being attacked or having an accident caused by someone else's pet which is not being properly controlled. It is pet owners' responsibility to train their animals how to behave appropriately in public, or such animals don't belong in public (both ethically and legally).

Never rationalize or attempt to justify animal aggression in public human spaces. No human being (who is not doing anything wrong) should have to live in fear/danger in a civilized society, neither from other people and certainly not from their pets.

Edited December 3, 2020 by AtlasP

[UniMe]

This is an interesting thread...! I have 2 dogs and as much as I like to think it may be possible to outrun one on an EUC it simply is not, they will get you in the acceleration/sprint every time. Both my dogs go from zero to full speed in about 4-5 strides and they can keep pace with a terrified and stampeding heard of deer (ya, perhaps don't ask me how I know this).

When training them we needed to desensitize them to everything imaginable. Wheelchairs, crutches, little kids, little kids on bikes etc. etc. After spending hundreds of hours with each of them doing this they now see almost everything in the environment as normal and not a threat.

Enter my EUC last summer, OMFG... they both lost their Sh*t. Even after many attempts to desensitize them they still scream and bark like crazy things every time I pull out of the driveway. It's getting better, but training older dogs (4 and 7) to accept new things is a lot more difficult than with a puppy. I knew this about dogs the first time I went out, and it was a good thing I did. I have been lunged at a couple times by large dogs that were thankfully on leash.

As much as an owner has a responsibility to do effective exposure training with their dog during the puppy years very, very few people will have had the opportunity to expose their dog to an EUC. Because of this, I think it's prudent for anyone on an EUC to assume that any dog they see hasn't been desensitized to the EUC and is a risk in terms of chase or attack of the EUC or rider.

Perhaps 10 years from now, when everyone has an EUC and vehicle traffic is cut by half :), the pooches of the world will have been raised around them. Until then -- EUC rider beware!!

I do agree that dogs need to be kept on leash but if you're riding through somewhere that a person has been walking their dog for years and has been successful doing this off leash it gets tricky... I think in that setting the dog owner is doing their diligence and simply never expected their dog to encounter such a weird and untrained thing.

Edited December 2, 2020 by UniMe

[AtlasP]

On 12/2/2020 at 3:32 PM, UniMe said:

As much as an owner has a responsibility to do effective exposure training with their dog during the puppy years very, very few people will have had the opportunity to expose their dog to an EUC. Because of this, I think it's prudent for anyone on an EUC to assume that any dog they see hasn't been desensitized to the EUC and is a risk in terms of chase or attack of the EUC or rider.

I don't think they have to be exposed to EUCs specifically/the uniqueness of EUCs is irrelevant--exposure to electric scooters and bicycles (which are everywhere) should be enough.

I was temporarily living in a small town and not-infrequently had issues with dogs, but then I moved to downtown Denver and even though there are *many* more dogs here (disgustingly so), I generally have fewer issues with them while riding specifically (certainly much less frequently than before). My theory is just that the dogs living in the center of a city like Denver are much more used to/desensitized to scooters/bikes/etc all around them, compared to those in the small town where it was a much less frequent occurrence.

Edited May 24, 2021 by AtlasP

[null]

Is death fighting dogs something you do on a regular basis?

Edited December 2, 2020 by null

[null]

Quite a bit already, you might be more in contact with them than I. I've only come across urban parc dogs and shy ferrals. 

[UniMe]

Pull a concealed weapon and stab a dog to death in these parts and you'll find yourself involved with the criminal justice system.

[Darrell Wesh]

Sounds like you all need a Gotway to get away😂

Never had any issues with dogs biting. Although if one tried I would probably be faster ditching my wheel and hauling ass to jump over a fence. 

[AtlasP]

I wonder if anyone has any experience with this kind of product: https://amazon.com/SABRE-Dog-Spray-Protector-All-Natural/dp/B008SBO9FU/

Unfortunately it's basically the same mace as used on humans. Ideally I wish there were a solution that only worked on dogs while being safe for humans. Unfortunately reviews for any non-mace products seem very inconclusive/not as dependable.

[mrelwood]

5 hours ago, AtlasP said:

It is not and should not be my responsibility to become an expert on or even to have to consider the psychology of someone else's pet to go about my daily life in public.

I fully agree, and I myself get very easily annoyed with people that don’t have their dogs on a leash for this very reason. But as you correctly used the word throughout your post, that’s only how it should be. But it isn’t. I see this thread as a place for tips for managing situations where the dog owner doesn’t do what they indeed should. So that we could prepare ourselves and wouldn’t crash from the surprise, or from a collision with the dog.

WhileI also agree with @ShanesPlanet’s defense strategies, I actually don’t think I’ve even heard of a situation where the dog attacks the rider. In every video and live  encountering I’ve seen, they clearly bark towards the wheel only. But this is of course not very clear in the situation where you must quickly decide whether you should defend for your life or just ignore the bark.

[LanghamP]

I think the high pitched whine of any EUC drives dogs nuts. I say this because my dog goes slightly crazy whenever I turn on the EUC, and even though I've trained her to trot alongside, if she's unleashed she keeps attacking my foot and leg.

[Mac]

2 hours ago, mrelwood said:

I fully agree, and I myself get very easily annoyed with people that don’t have their dogs on a leash for this very reason. But as you correctly used the word throughout your post, that’s only how it should be. But it isn’t. I see this thread as a place for tips for managing situations where the dog owner doesn’t do what they indeed should. So that we could prepare ourselves and wouldn’t crash from the surprise, or from a collision with the dog.

WhileI also agree with @ShanesPlanet’s defense strategies, I actually don’t think I’ve even heard of a situation where the dog attacks the rider. In every video and live  encountering I’ve seen, they clearly bark towards the wheel only. But this is of course not very clear in the situation where you must quickly decide whether you should defend for your life or just ignore the bark.

My son was just bitten on the leg, so now we carry a cocked and locked 9mm Glock sidearm. 

It’s loaded with a solution of ammonia, a couple of drops of dish soap, and water. 

Little kids squirt guns you can pick up at the dollar store for you guessed it a buck. Fits easily in your jacket pocket and with just a couple of squirts in the direction of the dog and he’s done! If he’s still persistent unholster your backup...

[UniMe]

Woot, there it is, right on cue! thinly veiled reference to pulling your concealed fire arm and just shooting the dog.

Sorry to hear your son got bitten, and happy to be north of your border (for so many reasons, last count was what, 14mill or more). There's nothing more vile than a pussy with a gun in his hand.