Popular Post RockyTop Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said: The assumption is that Z10 has been software limited and it can go faster. Was there someone on this forum working on unlocking the Z10 to go 55kph+ ? It is software locked for a reason. It can’t go faster safely. .....As the video shows. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marcglider Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) Am I only one of the few that thinks there is enough "inherent" danger riding these wheels like hitting unforeseen obstacles like @Marty Backe recently as well as vehicles not paying attention, etc... ? Do we really need to take these wheels, push them past their limits, try to reprogram their safety limits, etc....? I think my MSX has a top speed of 35+mph... if going that fast is your goal, maybe buy a wheel that is designed for that?? I find nothing good about reading about accidents, or how people are suiting up "AFTER" their accidents... Edited December 24, 2018 by Marcglider 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) Looks like an overlean (pedals tilt forward), not a cut-out (instant off + motor lock). He even got a step in, this would hardly (or rather, not at all) have been possible in a cut-out. It's a bit disconcerting that it happened at ~47kph, even when accelerating. 45kph is the regular limit, so this might even be an unmodded wheel. But in the end, EUCs have no fixed top speed, only a power limit. Top speed always depends on rider weight and all the other stuff. People need to learn these things aren't cars. More like planes. Nobody would ever try to find out how fast a plane can go before the wings break off (by going into a nosedive and speeding towards the ground). Somehow for EUCs, this obvious thing is too hard to grasp? A EUC's top speed is when it beeps at you (emphasis on "you", what's happening right now). What other people did or did not do doesn't matter. 35 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said: The assumption is that Z10 has been software limited and it can go faster. Was there someone on this forum working on unlocking the Z10 to go 55kph+ ? It can go arbitrarily fast if nothing else speaks against it (power limit reached for any given situation, motor switch off at some speed, speed of light limit). Which is how every EUC works. These assumptions are unfounded to work for everyone and it's disingenious to blame the wheel. Unless it really was unmodded and gave up in the margin area around the 45kph alarm, there should be way more reserves or a non-ignorable tiltback as soon as there are not enough reserves. Does it say if it was modded? Edited December 24, 2018 by meepmeepmayer 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: It's a bit disconcerting that it happened at ~47kph, even when accelerating. 45kph is the regular limit, so this might even be an unmodded wheel. I think the top speed is 25 mph (40 kph) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I think it is 45kph Z10 and 35kph Z6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieterGRAMS Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Looks like an overlean (pedals tilt forward), not a cut-out (instant off + motor lock). He even got a step in, this would hardly (or rather, not at all) have been possible in a cut-out Yea. The speedo jumps from 40 to 47. Seems like you were at 40 and put too much effort into it to go faster. Thats the thing about powerful wheels limited to lower speeds. When i rode the locked demo 18XL, I was dancing around the limiter and i accelerated hard right before tiltback kicked in. Nearly threw me off. When your wheel starts beeping at 30+ the wind is already kicking your ass. VS 25-28mph where the wind isnt that extreme and you feel you have alot of speed left Edited December 24, 2018 by dieterGRAMS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nic Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 Sanity Clause says don't do it! 🎅 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Looks like an overlean (pedals tilt forward), not a cut-out (instant off + motor lock). He even got a step in, this would hardly (or rather, not at all) have been possible in a cut-out. It's a bit disconcerting that it happened at ~47kph, even when accelerating. 45kph is the regular limit, so this might even be an unmodded wheel. But in the end, EUCs have no fixed top speed, only a power limit. Top speed always depends on rider weight and all the other stuff. People need to learn these things aren't cars. More like planes. Nobody would ever try to find out how fast a plane can go before the wings break off (by going into a nosedive and speeding towards the ground). Somehow for EUCs, this obvious thing is too hard to grasp? A EUC's top speed is when it beeps at you (emphasis on "you", what's happening right now). What other people did or did not do doesn't matter. It can go arbitrarily fast if nothing else speaks against it (power limit reached for any given situation, motor switch off at some speed, speed of light limit). Which is how every EUC works. These assumptions are unfounded to work for everyone and it's disingenious to blame the wheel. Unless it really was unmodded and gave up in the margin area around the 45kph alarm, there should be way more reserves or a non-ignorable tiltback as soon as there are not enough reserves. Does it say if it was modded? I don’t think it was modded. I found the video on YouTube by chance. It is a Spanish owner, I believe. I saw @RoberAce has also commented on the video, in Spanish, so maybe he can help shed some light on the situation leading up to the Z10 crash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, dieterGRAMS said: Yea. The speedo jumps from 40 to 47. Seems like you were at 40 and put too much effort into it to go faster. Thats the thing about powerful wheels limited to lower speeds. When i rode the locked demo 18XL, I was dancing around the limiter and i accelerated hard right before tiltback kicked in. Nearly threw me off. When your wheel starts beeping at 30+ the wind is already kicking your ass. VS 25-28mph where the wind isnt that extreme and you feel you have alot of speed left True I think that’s what happened. The owner of the video is Spanish I believe. I try not to ride the Z10 past 25mph, especially in London traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: But in the end, EUCs have no fixed top speed, only a power limit. Top speed always depends on rider weight and all the other stuff. People need to learn these things aren't cars. More like planes. Nobody would ever try to find out how fast a plane can go before the wings break off (by going into a nosedive and speeding towards the ground). Somehow for EUCs, this obvious thing is too hard to grasp? A EUC's top speed is when it beeps at you (emphasis on "you", what's happening right now). What other people did or did not do doesn't matter. BEST explanation EVER, hands down. Well said! To any moderators reading this, can you please pin @meepmeepmayer's comment to the top of every safety and speed-related thread? Edited December 24, 2018 by travsformation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, travsformation said: BEST explanation EVER, hands down. Well said! To any moderators reading this, can you please pin @meepmeepmayer's comment to the top of every safety and speed-related thread? AGREED!! Edited December 24, 2018 by Afeez Kay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, houseofjob said: This is called click bait, trolling for YouTube views 💩 Trolling or not I still believe it is a good study. My photo forensic analysis: It appears he went beyond the speed or the “power limit” as @meepmeepmayer stated. The series of reference lines depicted in the photo sequence indicate an increased forward tilt which could designate a motor cut out. Edited December 24, 2018 by Rehab1 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trya Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 The video owner is Russian. In the video after crash he says that he damaged the glove and the handle on the wheel. Then the only thing he says is "...somehow I don't want to ride anymore...". Fortunately he didn't break anything, just had a minor road rash. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Trolling or not I still believe it is a good study. My photo forensic analysis: It appears he went beyond the speed or the “power limit” as @meepmeepmayer stated. So NOT a cut off then as the motor was still running after the crash... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: My photo forensic analysis: It appears he went beyond the speed or the “power limit” as @meepmeepmayer stated. IMPRESSIVE analysis. Let me be the first to say, I'm honored to be in the presence of the guy who proved the 2nd shooter theory in the JFK assassination! But seriously...that's some meticulous work. If you're not applying those skills to big-picture, globally important tasks, you definitely should! (Although I totally understand that if you are...you can't say so. This conversation never took place) (BTW, where's the post-self-destruct button in this forum?) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, travsformation said: IMPRESSIVE analysis. Let me be the first to say, I'm honored to be in the presence of the guy who proved the 2nd shooter theory in the JFK assassination! You made me LOL! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said: So NOT a cut off then as the motor was still running after the crash... Hard to say if the motor is still running. All I can see is the wheel’s toppling momentum after the rider disengages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Rehab1 said: Hard to say if the motor is still running. All I can see is the wheel’s toppling momentum after the rider disengages. Moral of the story is ‘Respect the beep’. . The wheel could be heard making the speed limit warning noise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: You made me LOL! Glad to see you're in good spirits! (and/or drinking good spirits!) and managed the long drive safely! May PM you in the next few days: a neighbor's cat has been pissing on my door for the past few days. I have video footage, but can't determine who's cat it is. Do you provide services as a P.I. as well as working for the FBI? (Faceplant Bureau of Investigation) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Afeez Kay said: Is this a Ninebot One Z10 CUT OFF?? @RoberAce @Marty Backe @houseofjob I'm late to the 'game' here, but I'll chime in very quickly (as I top off the charge on the KS18XL that just arrived at my door this Christmas Eve). This is an old video. I think it was already shown in either this thread or one of the primary Z10 threads. The Z10 has a maximum speed of 28-mph which I have ridden. I believe the wheel cutout due to pushing beyond it's capabilities. He was clearly riding the beep like I did for a few minutes on the Z10. In my case, the wheel would initiate a mellow tilt-back (and beep) and I would ease up on my lean a bit. I made a video of this short "speed test". In my case I was most certainly not trying to squeeze out more speed. I was just trying to ride at maximum speed for a bit. In this guys case I'm assuming he was maybe continuing to lean into the wheel seeing if he could eke out some more speed. I think the Z10 is a very safe wheel and has a nice controlled mellow tilt-back to keep you at it's maximum speed for any given battery level. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: (as I top off the charge on the KS18XL that just arrived at my door this Christmas Eve). Hell of Christmas gift, man. Now, charger her up and go for a ride. Eager to compare your first impressions with mine. Very cool. 😀👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, travsformation said: BEST explanation EVER, hands down. Well said! Thank you But it's only common sense. If you have something where you can't exactly know when it fails unless it actually fails, and where the consequences of the failure are really bad, then you shouldn't try and test exactly where it fails. Plane, EUC, whatever. These can't just roll to a stop like a car or scouter can. That's all. But maybe this isn't compatible with how human curiosity usually works (try it until it breaks) and what people are used to from every other vehicle (floor it and you'll see how fast it can go). 57 minutes ago, travsformation said: FBI? (Faceplant Bureau of Investigation) 16 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: as I top off the charge on the KS18XL that just arrived at my door this Christmas Eve Nice! Sometimes the stars just align. Tell your wife Christmas dinner is off, you gotta do a range test 11 minutes ago, Lutalo said: Hell of Christmas gift, man. Indeed. Some people get socks and ties, some people get wheels 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, meepmeepmayer said: Thank you But it's only common sense. If you have something where you can't exactly know when it fails unless it actually fails, and where the consequences of the failure are really bad, then you shouldn't try and test exactly where it fails. Plane, EUC, whatever. These can't just roll to a stop like a car or scouter can. That's all. But maybe this isn't compatible with how human curiosity usually works (try it until it breaks) and what people are used to from every other vehicle (floor it and you'll see how fast it can go). Well spoke my good man, well spoke 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alien Rides Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 Cross-posting part 3 of the WraithWheel series from the DIY thread. It covers a very small part of the build. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ED209 Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: as I top off the charge on the KS18XL that just arrived at my door this Christmas Eve Great! I am off to grab some popcorn, Can't wait for your feedback! 🍿 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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