DjPanJan Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Back to topic: Not expect anything form e-rides they "reviews" is joke mostly time. But i like this motor sound. Sad is CST knobby choice Wrongway(Adam) say is not good compare to kenda knobby because turn behavior because diferent center patern on CST knobby.(i talk about use on street/asphalt) I hope in some incline or overheat test in near future and range test too. Well say in this video no real reson buy C30 version over sherman but C38 have potencial fill market gap for riders like me who want torque sherman version.(I personaly not ride over 30Mph all season speed limit set to 43km/h on sheerman is enouch for me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) On 10/9/2021 at 5:54 AM, Mango said: Any truth to Kuji Rolls having a cutout on the Commander at 30mph? If so, I wouldn’t be surprised. I can confirm this, it was a HS/C30 type. Begode just received his machine back for evaluation, of course there was the immediate deflection response of 'it's just this one machine, here's a video showing 68MPH under no-load'... We told our shipping agent to hold sending 2x HSs out until BG have a satisfactory explanation. Marty has received a HT/C38, with caution about the earlier cut-out event on the HS. Edited October 11, 2021 by Jason McNeil 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: I can confirm this, it was a HS/C30 type. Begode just received his machine back for evaluation, of course there was the immediate deflection response of 'it's just this one machine, here's a video showing 68MPH under no-load'... We told our shipping agent to hold sending 2x HSs out until BG have a satisfactory explanation. Marty has received a HT/C38, with caution about the earlier cut-out event on the HS. Did the control board actually fail or was it a cutout that allowed him to continue riding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon Stern Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: I can confirm this, it was a HS/C30 type. Begode just received his machine back for evaluation, of course there was the immediate deflection response of 'it's just this one machine, here's a video showing 68MPH under no-load'... We told our shipping agent to hold sending 2x HSs out until BG have a satisfactory explanation. Marty has received a HT/C38, with caution about the earlier cut-out event on the HS. Perhaps a more important question is, is Kuji okay? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: I can confirm this, it was a HS/C30 type. Begode just received his machine back for evaluation, of course there was the immediate deflection response of 'it's just this one machine, here's a video showing 68MPH under no-load'... We told our shipping agent to hold sending 2x HSs out until BG have a satisfactory explanation. Marty has received a HT/C38, with caution about the earlier cut-out event on the HS. Thanks for the info @Jason McNeil, I hope Kuji is okay. It sounds like @ThaBlackCobra 's Monster Pro's inexplicable "just this one" machine failure with no identifiable root cause yet with devastating consequences. This is the pattern, because although failure leading to a crash is not a Gotway/Begode/ExtremeBull exclusive, it seems that on other brands the cause of failure is identifiable. Either because some component burned or because there's a black box recording telemetry, allowing to identifying error in the software (Inmotion). Since this OEM has a history of inexplicable failures, I would strongly recommend to require them to add a logging capability on the board which stores all high-resolution sensor input and algorithm output over a period of few hours. Data storage IC with the capability needed are readily available for micro-controllers. This would most likely help them fix a couple long-lasting nasty bugs unaccounted for, but that have done a lot of damage over the years. And in case there's another type of failure, it will go a long way to help figure out that hall sensor input was erratic for a second or anything like that. Edited October 12, 2021 by supercurio 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 What is the legality if Kuji or one day another rider dies from a cut out? Loss of control, fall under the wheels of a bus/truck, recorded by surveillance video.. Is the liability on the overseas Chinese manufacturer? Is the importer deemed to be liable? Installing battery packs custom manufactured to specifications may be taking on the onus of product liability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Paul A said: Is the liability on the overseas Chinese manufacturer? Haha good one! 18 minutes ago, Paul A said: Installing battery packs custom manufactured to specifications may be taking on the onus of product liability... But you do have a point with that one...especially if it is deemed the fault was to do with the packs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Backe is Back! Quote Transcript yo brother it's time for us to start talking the real man we've been sugarcoating too much we've got to start calling everything out for what it is [Music] well a new wheel is in the house and this is the gatway commander very excited to get this wheel this is courtesy of jason at e wheels thanks again jason i really appreciate it he's giving me the first crack at this wheel just flown in from china so i am really excited about this uh so in this video i'm just going to be giving you my first impressions of the wheel i'm going to look it over closely show you everything in 4k resolution give you some close-up views of the different elements of it and open it up take a look inside see what we see and go from there so okay so the box was open at some level anyway because we have uh e wheels they always throw on wrist guards which i i think is great particularly for new riders who just you know when i started riding i didn't wear wrist guards for believe it or not i think about a year things have changed extreme bull user manual warranty guide and uh looks like you would get what you get from gatway except uh all i see is extreme bow mud guard let's see how that works charger well that's the typical gatway 3 amp charger just like with the monster 3 600 watt hours of battery when are they gonna go up a level to uh like on the sherman at least give us a five amp charger i think five amps should be standard nowadays okay let's see okay so it has uh it comes with power the power pads i'll share those little bits and the wheel if i can get this out uh [Music] nothing like a new wheel always exciting i think back to when i got my first wheel about five and a half years ago now it was uh it was so cool so i'm curious about whether this has a safety where it's locked all right yeah because i didn't think this had a lift switch so unlike all the gatway wheels you know we have to unlock them when you get them and it's got this uh so it's got the led display up top i'll show you this closer in a little bit but uh i can already already tell it looks like it's going to be hard to hard to see this thing in the in the daylight so it'll probably be most useful when you are stopped but we'll see one first impression i get when i lifted this out of the box i'm turning this off is that where you you lift it okay like in the sherman you've got the roll cage right this isn't a row cage but these edges are sharp so it digs into your hand when you're lifting it up now of course you're not going to be walking around like this for very long right but right now it's hurting my hands much more than the muscles in my arms in terms of lifting it so that part is not the best ergonomically let me get up on the stand we can take a closer look okay let me give you a little 360 view you can see the leds there's a nice nice look to it they're kind of plain but um looks like there's six six or seven different modes it's just like a it's it's a godway wheel i mean use the power button to cycle through each of them or you can do it with the app i've connected with euc world and i can configure the whole wheel with eoc world and i just configured it as a monster pro close up of the tire which is a cst knobby it's the same one that's on my exn and it is i'm going to have to adjust it as i rotate you might be able to see it's not exactly true looks like it's about a sixteenth there's a sixteenth offset as i go around so i have to let the air out and squeeze it and fill it a few times to hopefully get it seated on the rim a little bit better other than that i really like this tire on my um ex-n so i think i should like it here i couldn't really give you a good view inside the wheel but uh it's uh looks nice and clean inside and obviously it's in it a single axle it's not a hollow bore motor which i think we all knew about but there is no evidence of any kind of a heat sink inside the shell so all the electronics are up here and i can hear i think i hear a fan i'm not sure something whirling away inside so i'll be opening up this to see what it looks like so i'm guessing there's no electronics inside on the panels but i will be taking a closer look show you the headlights again i'll see how they behave whenever when i ride this at night though those are the modes just like a typical gatway well the side panels are very flat not perfectly flat there's little indentations for this uh but uh for all practical purposes they're flat so that's gonna be uh nice for people wanna everyone likes to mount their own types of of uh power pads so i like that the plastic's got a nice uh i don't know it's got a nice feel to it it feels it feels it feels better than than all the guyway wheels i have something about this plastic yeah i don't know it's got a nice feel to it everywhere they have this commander they have this tape over it and i don't know if that was meant to be permanent but i think it looks awful so i'm going to remove it [Applause] i suspect this is for like if you remember the nicola had these kind of uh lettering on it you you think godway would learn from that the stuff would just fall off but this tape looks uh looks awful so i'd rather have this and maybe have it fall off uh it feels like it's adhered nicely so i'm going to remove this and all of these uh areas and the petals they feel nice nice and solid and they're spiked petals not too aggressive not too many i guess i'll just have to see how it feels when i'm riding it so branded commander now they are magnetic here and something in here but uh they're not very strong so we'll see as i'm using it whether they want to pop off particularly on trails when i'm walking sometimes when it's rocky but not too bad interesting placement for the speakers on the back and you can see the rear light and if i rotate the tire so that'll be the effect i'm sure pretty much like the guy way probably when you turn they'll go that way and as soon as it stops it switches back to that kind of display and i'm at about less than 20 battery so that's probably why there's only two so i'm guessing there'll be five of those when it's fully charged and this maybe maybe ventilation for the inside we'll see all right let's put this mud flap on feels pretty stiff i like the veteran the sherman mud flap hopefully it's not so stiff i can't get it in you ah he's always fun so so i got it all right well we'll see how that lasts as i use it here is the display and uh you see how hard it is to read into this in the screen well that's just as hard to read um visually i can see the battery i can see three i have no idea what's being displayed here charging ports you got two that's nice and this cover it seems nice probably it'd be better if it were not uh directly up but this rubber cover looks like it's uh fits very nicely so i don't think any water would get in there if it's raining it's a nice fit here is the trolley handle feels nice i'm 511 and uh really nice i think it's maybe a slight it feels it was a little hot higher than the sherman otherwise pretty much just like the sherman and the highest level and it's locking so that's nice and guys i gotta tell you you know i haven't i've not ridden it yet but these pedals feel huge i measured them they're 11 inches long they stick about five six inches bigger than any uh any got wipe wheel i'm not sure if i'm trying to think the in motion v11 had really big pedals they might have been this big it's hard to say but these these are huge they feel great it could be interesting uh riding with them okay time to open this up and uh i think you could probably take these pen off without taking the pedals off but these two screws here i can't ease i can't really get to them well enough with any of my screwdrivers so i'm just going to take the pedals off it's pretty easy to do [Music] it has separate spacers so that's the difference with the sherman pedals for feel really nice though really solid by the way valve stem access is great lots of clearance there so that's nice again i can't emphasize how nice this plastic feels it's a little things but uh feels really nice okay here we go interesting no tape like we see in all the gatway wheels and some kinks on wheels there's a gasket like the sherman newer shermans have this gasket it's funny how so much of this is like the sherman really same thing yeah it's almost like wouldn't surprise me they reverse engineered the sherman at some point you have two square holes just like in the sherman where the wires feed up into this area the beeper the beeper by the way is not an adjustable volume beeper like the guyway wheels now and this oh this is the this is the led these white panels are the leds all right that's cool so michelle huh it's really well done it's a nice and yeah the transition between this clear plastic and a matte plastic i would call this more like a satin kind of a satin finish so um yeah cool so we have the padding to keep everything in place kind of standard this looks like part of the shell this rigid part here looks nice uh this is the right side of the wheel so it's again consistent with galway wheels that's where the motor wire comes out of the motor looks nicely sealed so i think the only ingress for water would probably be the the trolley handle area i'll take see if i can get a closer look to see if it looks like it's sealed at all now this is interesting this is definitely the beeper when you turn the wheel on but then there are transducers there's one here one here and i'm going to assume they're on the other side too so when i turn on the wheel you're gonna hear that beep and then it's gonna be a secondary tone that comes from here and the speakers so speakers are bluetooth but then these tones hmm that's interesting what's driving the why are those sounding versus the beeper we shall see maybe and you can see the leds lit up here by the way before i put the side panel back on here is the magnet with uh the ever present hot glue the panels seem uh they seem sturdy though and by the way no ridges like in the sherman that could potentially cut into here though when i look on this wrap the batteries all i see batteries so the bms must be on the inside which you would think is actually pretty smart i've removed the four screws on each side sherman has two that says four and let's see just like i'm sure i'm gonna have to lift this up a bit i'm just gonna very gently so i can see this is this is moving so that's nice the sherman they started putting adhesive here which is kind of crazy i don't know for silicon to keep it water from getting in i guess makes a royal pain though to open it up and that's that i'm going to take this handle off so i can get this control panel out of the way the sherman has two screws on each side this only has one so maybe a little less sturdy oh nope it has two on the other side okay so maybe actually it's better than the sherman i've taken these apart on the sherman so i feel pretty comfortable doing this there you go let me uh give you a shot inside all right and i turn it on so you can see the blinking light i'm assuming that's for the bluetooth saying i'm alive looks like there's two boards here's the main board so i see six so it's probably it's probably 12 mosfets they're really into labeling extreme bow i haven't seen gatway anywhere on this wheel yet so it looks like it's separated this board has the sound board on it and the dc for the all the lights and stuff uh i've been trying to heat this up with a hot gun with a heat gun and i've been running it 40 miles per hour for a long time and i can't get it above 42 degrees celsius so i haven't been able to see if there's a fan i'm assuming right here these two little wires going under this so i'm going to assume that there's a fan down there now i'm not going to take this fully apart there's other other channels out there that will do that uh if they haven't already so we'll get to later get to see how big what kind of heatsink they got down there but i see no evidence of the heatsink from under from within the shell so the only access to air in here or are some line of little holes in the front and in the back oh i'm sorry in the front there's two holes near the lights in the back there's a line of little holes so i'm gonna assume that's where air gets into this guy i'm just gonna have to write it and see um see how it runs whether it runs hot like the exn which is horrible or not and i i like this configuration i tell you it looks really nice so far i would say this is of the same build quality of the sherman now to get this control board out looks like there's one two there's four screws holding it in and it looks like looks like you probably get it out without taking the shuttle part you only know when you actually have to do it but it's looking that way they actually have some um channels milled into the plastic that allow the screw heads to go down here so it's definitely intentionally designed so that's that's good i have feeling you could take this out that unlike the sherman it looks like it looks like there's plenty of uh slop in the wheel in the wires and i can't tell the the wires look like they're the same gauge of the sherman i'd be surprised if they're not so uh i mean they're at least 12 gauge i'm sure they're 12 gauge uh so that's that i i think this is uh it's looking pretty good now one thing i'm going to point out before i put this fully together in terms of waterproofing i wouldn't it's really okay a mist i suppose but there's no gaskets in here and uh i think the weak point would be would be right around here i think water could get in on a rainstorm and then it's really hard to see how how the well this is protected but the batteries are i wouldn't be too concerned about any little drips getting into here into the main body but definitely i think water could get in around this area you know heavy rain so i would not ride this in a rain with i would do what what i do with the sherman it was gonna rain i'd have a like a rain hat baggie or something that i could just slip over the top of the shell to protect it and these power buttons always weak areas too all right so there you have it uh i'm really impressed with the build quality this is certainly built as nice as the sherman and i i love the quality of the the plastic and the fit and finish uh i don't know this this might be up there with one of the best gatway built wheels in terms of fit and finish i love the plastic i tell you it's really nice clearly they you gotta give credit to the veteran for coming up with the original design and this this is a copy of at certain some level right the the top the trolley handle this is simulating the rope cage but horrible design in terms of they these will just dig into your hands these should have been rounded over that's a knit though you're not going to be hopefully you're not going to carry this too much seems pretty well sealed against water on the sides for sure but i wouldn't ride this in the rain based on some points and no gaskets sealing up they put gasket here they should have really put a gasket here but they didn't so i would put a i'd put a bag over the top of this if you had to ride it and rain so i'm going to put slime in the tire i'm going to balance the tire because it's not riding running quite true i'm going to put velcro here and put clark pads on it i'm not going to put their pads on and uh and that's it and then i will start writing it so the next video on the commander will be me uh writing it and giving you my first impressions of the ride quality in terms of hard soft medium pedal dip acceleration braking how hot it runs so forth alright guys hope this was useful and i'll talk to you later And, we have a teardown! 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Popular Post AtlasP Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) The LiTech packs appear clearly superior to what Begode/Gotway have been using. (See the details including pictures in my recent news roundup: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/17309-up-to-date-euc-comparison-table/?do=findComment&comment=389532 ) And more importantly, it appears they're being manufactured entirely by LiTech and shipped directly to Begode for installation into the wheels at the time of manufacture, so eWheels is not doing any manufacturing or modifications to anything themselves. Essentially eWheels just helped Begode get a new/different supplier of superior packs for a portion of their wheels. Edited October 13, 2021 by AtlasP 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GothamMike Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 9:13 PM, mrelwood said: EUC rumor generator addendum: I was told that ______ (add simply any piece of fiction that reflects your hopes or fears, or for example something that you think might be harmful for anyone). Elvis, Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie are living privately on a hacienda in the Amazon. The Brazilian Army shoots down any unknown aircraft in the region. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 9:56 AM, Jason McNeil said: I can confirm this, it was a HS/C30 type. Begode just received his machine back for evaluation, of course there was the immediate deflection response of 'it's just this one machine, here's a video showing 68MPH under no-load'... We told our shipping agent to hold sending 2x HSs out until BG have a satisfactory explanation. Marty has received a HT/C38, with caution about the earlier cut-out event on the HS. My life and my personal well being are too important to trust the promises of a manufacturer with known quality issues. I don't need to go 5.3 KPH faster than my riding buddies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, InfiniteWheelie said: Hmm... Interesting to hear Marty's concern about the high temperature of the wheel. The same concern is hinted in this video (watch about 13:40) even before the ride: Edited October 14, 2021 by That Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucner Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 10:17 PM, RagingGrandpa said: And, we have a teardown! 60 V motor overvolted to 89 V. PC builders will dig that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjPanJan Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Fan in ExBull is +- joke and here is my opinion: I think fan si here becasue front lights. That 2 powerfull LED light generate strong/big/extreme heat in "almost" closed space. Sherman have 2 active Fans not make good job cooling control board anyway ,mutch more important is airflow when ride for sucesfully cooling my sherman V2. V11 frontlight need cooling too. Sherman light is realy hot after longer time ON ,and have unlimited airflow and case/box made like cooler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) I have similar thoughts to DjPanJan. After looking at Marty's first ride with lights on and EUC Upgrade breakdown. It would appear the only air intake for the control board are some miniscule holes on the bottom outside edges of the headlight housing. There is your problem. Kuji is a lightweight but he rides hard. Maybe an overheated control board caused his cut-off. The headlight housing appears separate from the shell halves so maybe a fix is just a simple redesign of a small part where the headlight heat is vented and the air intake for the control board is separated from the air cooling the lights. Edited October 14, 2021 by DavidB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 The display says "Begode" on it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) When the headlights are on, will the fan blow air heated by the LEDs onto the board? The commander heatsink is beefy and should get plenty of airflow from the wheel well however when riding at speed.You're right @div I recall the teardown and it doesn't get any airflow from anywhere, my bad. Seems like an obvious design flaw. We know that Shermans which air duct gets obstructed overhead consistently: this is basically the Commander's design There's no doubt the controller will handle a lot of amps to make this heavy wheel responsive. It's concerning if the High Torque version would run hot.. then imagine the high speed one. It's speculation for now tho, but this is clearly not promising. What's pretty bad is the fan noise already. Sherman is a lot better here. Edited October 14, 2021 by supercurio Cross wrong statement regarding the heatsink & wheel well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Looks like a contender for a) enlarged front vent ports, and b) an additional or larger, hopefully quieter fan, if space and wiring permits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) Looks like a contender for getting burnt in Marty's next Overheat Hill test? Edited October 14, 2021 by That Guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forwardnbak Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 11 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: The display says "Begode" on it How did you see anything on THAT display. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mango Posted October 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 9:05 AM, Mango said: This is a poor Sherman clone. I’m going to poo-poo this wheel off the line… The lift handles don’t look at all comfortable. Those edges are going to dig into your hands carrying something this heavy at 80 lbs. And not to mention durability issues as there is a seam running down the centre of the handles. No lift button like Sherman. Seals around the charge port need to be close tight otherwise the the ports will be submerged in their own little swimming pool when it rains. Makes more sense for the ports to be in the rear, and have the speakers facing upwards, at the very least with sound directed towards the buttocks and up to your ears than behind it. The headlights aren’t adjustable and modular. The rear lights aren’t even proper rear lights. Top speed, nothing new here. High torque version might be a good option for long-range off-road riding, if 8-hour trail riding is your thing. LCD display is too cluttered and need Gotway app to change settings. How does the display fair in bright sunlight? So for $500 more than Sherman, you get 12.5% more battery, some $5 LED strips and $10 speakers, and worse ergonomics. And here I was being generous in my praise, but after seeing the teardown, the Commander is even worse than I thought. The ventilation design is atrocious, I would not feel comfortable pushing this wheel if it's going to overheat and possibly cutout on me. The Sherman did it right. The buzzer is in the worst possible location, unless Gotway engineers think humans have ears on the sides of their feet. Headlamp replacement are likely after a crash since there is no crash bar, and replacement requires removal of the control board. WTF? I heard the pedals are crap, but we'll see. Gotway keeps delivering the goods. Since I own a Sherman, I see little point in shelling out another $5,000 CDN for a 3600wh wheel that climbs hills well, but otherwise is a terrible wheel in every other aspect. I see this mod for the overheat issue coming soon... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 There would be people who don't read forums like this, and buy a Commander, unaware of such serious safety design flaws. Do distributors have a duty of care to not stock or sell products that they know to very likely fail at a low threshold? Self interest alone would be a good reason, to not have to deal with warranty claims, associated costs, extremely annoyed customers, etc. Seems farcical that after so many years of manufacturing experience, such simple, obvious design flaws need to be discovered and pointed out by others. Seems the new name badge Extreme Bull is an attempt to disassociate from the well deserved Gotway/Begode reputation of poor quality, poor safety. Normal riding in countries with a warm climate might be enough for a cutout, let alone pushing a wheel to higher performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Hmm...tbf, any reasonable spill on a sherman is likely to damage/break the front/rear lights as well as the top cover/shell despite the roll bar being present (which also get mangled to boot). This exact scenario happened to a sherman I replaced the bms on recently. So its not like the roll bar really does much imo, it simply isnt strong enough to contain the weight of a tumbling sherman. It is however perfect for attaching a seat/accessories. I do however agree with the concerns over the Commanders cooling. The inlet/outlet ports appear woefully small. Truth be told I would like to see larger ones even on the Sherman. That said, until further testing is done on the Commander I am not sure I can pass judgement. One thing is for sure, cramming 3600Wh into a Sherman form factor peaks my interest. The Monster is just too big for riders like myself so the Commander has potential to be a winner on this front. And as has been said, having the torque option really does fill a gap for those who want Monster range, Sherman form factor and MSP HT torque. I will also reserve judgement on the Commander buzzer, yes its in a daft place but the design itself could potentially be very loud, possibly even louder than a Sherman by the time it reaches the riders ears. But in all, yes I can see some cooling mods being done on the Commander with the careful applications of Mr Dremel and Mrs Drill! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Despite ECU Upgrade emphasising replacing the headlights or speakers will require disassembling everything, the housings look like separate units that may be removable without splitting the shell halves. If not, drilling a hole between the lights towards the top of the light housing may be a simple fix for ventilation. In fact, if you look closely at an image posted here earlier it does seem to have an air vent there. Somewhere between design and production it was left out Edited October 16, 2021 by DavidB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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