INMOTION V11 (2020)

[Unventor]

40 minutes ago, Martin Bialy said:

Where are you going to see updates from Inmotion? How can I get access to follow along from them? Is it on telegram?

Inmotion post some of the stuff going on here. 

But if you want to take part and see things first hand Telegram is the place to be. You find selfinvite link pinned in Inmotion main thread group. 

Due to both Inmotion and Kingsong wanted go reach out to their customers more, we facilitate a special thread for each brand to post their announcement. This is where you find the above linked thread. The main goal is go have a easy way for brants to inform the community of what is going on. So this doesn't get list in a massive thread like this one. 

Now I have followed Inmotion channels closely and shared general views to them from the forum and of course my personal opinions. It is the info collect over time and from WhatsApp and Telegram I use when replying to questions people have here. 

But I  think the V11 will be very great and bug free going forward from 3rd batch., due to the announcement linked here. 

Another topic that is raised more frequently is the discussed accessories that Inmotion is working on. Hopefully we see soon some of the things they have been working on. 

My guess us that their smartwatch could be something new and another way Inmotion differentiate them from other brands. The hinted price was what I though of relative cheap. And no need for a phone could be really cool. I really thing we are going to see some interesting things from Inmotion and that can make the V11 be seen as a much more compelling EUC solution to more riders. I really thing Inmotion are on the right path from what they have shared so far. 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Unventor
WhatsApp reached max members in a group, that is why Inmotiin moved to Telegram.

[EUChristian]

Something I’ve seen twice now and no one he discussed is DIY sound effects. Folks that is huge...I can set the wheel to Star Treks Enterprise, or Star Wars, or my own voice...this is not a mind blowing innovation, I get it...but I have to say pretty damn cool in my book. 
 

third alarm setting is me saying “you about to die fool”

Edited August 24, 2020 by EUChristian

[Vagrant Sneaker]

3 minutes ago, EUChristian said:

Something I’ve seen twice now and no one he discussed is DIY sound effects. Folks that is huge...I can set the wheel to Star Treks Enterprise, or Star Wars, or my own voice...this is not a mind blowing innovation, I get it...but I have to say pretty damn cool in my book. 
 

third alarm setting is me saying “you about to die fool”

Haven't played with this yet, but it is a great feature and I'm looking forward to using it.. Pretty funny alarm you got. LMAO!

 

BTW, I sent out a message to Darkness Bot customer support about adding the V11 and they updated the App right away. It is having some issues though. Apparently, not recognizing the V11 wheel but you can use the maps feature. It's just not saving any trips. 

[Unventor]

4 hours ago, EUChristian said:

Something I’ve seen twice now and no one he discussed is DIY sound effects. Folks that is huge...I can set the wheel to Star Treks Enterprise, or Star Wars, or my own voice...this is not a mind blowing innovation, I get it...but I have to say pretty damn cool in my book. 
 

third alarm setting is me saying “you about to die fool”

I can't recall the first wheel that had this if it was V3c/V3f (the one with 2 tight placed wheels or it was V5f. Then it was not in the V8 directly and then they made it possible again.

The real funny part if to make tip over message and tilt back alarms. Then lower the speed limit and let someone practice the first time. 

This is the first video I save before or just about the time I started to ride. 

 

[EUChristian]

7 hours ago, Unventor said:

I can't recall the first wheel that had this if it was V3c/V3f (the one with 2 tight placed wheels or it was V5f. Then it was not in the V8 directly and then they made it possible again.

The real funny part if to make tip over message and tilt back alarms. Then lower the speed limit and let someone practice the first time. 

This is the first video I save before or just about the time I started to ride. 

 

I had no idea this was on a couple their older wheels. Great idea in their part. 

[mrelwood]

The bottom valve of the shock is actually threaded on the black metal structure. Not sure if this affects the estimations on it’s durability when hitting rocks though, and if it does, is it for better or for worse...

 Or if it was already generally known. 

Edited August 25, 2020 by mrelwood

[Unventor]

5 hours ago, EUChristian said:

I had no idea this was on a couple their older wheels. Great idea in their part. 

Looking at motor power and age and battery back then I do think the V3 series with dual wheel were innovative thinking. Yes a true EUC is a better in maneuvering and nimbleness. 

But thinking from the hoverboard vs V3 series vs early airwheels. 

On the V3 you can stand balanced with limited assistance from motor. So from a learning point of view this should be easier to step up and down on. 

If you then compare V5f and V8 V8f V10 V10f and now the V11 it is a huge progress curve. Yes I know on some part there higher specs models from other brands. But all of the Inmotion wheel were designed to be wide public use in a niche market.  Where I truly doubt a majority of new and non-extreme ride will consider the Veteran Sherman.  And up until now any wheel from Inmotion was more or less last mile ride. Shere the V11 is more go there and go back again ride. 

[iode]

An example of the kind of damage the original capped design causes. The constant impact on the red cap caused the valve stem to break off along with the valve core, basically requiring a complete replacement of the suspension assembly. His solution was what most folks came up with, which is just to use a standard plastic valve cap, same as most cars/bikes. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to offer as much protection from dust going into the suspension chamber, but way better alternative than breaking the entire suspension system.

[mrelwood]

31 minutes ago, iode said:

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to offer as much protection from dust going into the suspension chamber,

The area/cavity around the valve is just an external metal cup with a threaded hole into which the valve of the actual suspension unit is screwed on. It’s not a part of the air shock unit. Dust and mud around the valve does no harm as long as the valve has any kind of cap on.

I wish I had taken more photos when I had my V11 open...

[RagingGrandpa]

On 4/22/2020 at 6:07 AM, John John said:

for a long-journey I want <> to be able to charge while using the wheel

@mrelwood / @Seba - will V11 let you run the motor while charging?

(e.g.: Sherman does not)

[Unventor]

Just now, RagingGrandpa said:

@mrelwood / @Seba - will V11 let you run the motor while charging?

(e.g.: Sherman does not)

Why do you want to do that?

[Coco66]

30 minutes ago, Unventor said:

Why do you want to do that?

Ride while charging from an external battery in the backpack I assume... 

[EUChristian]

18 minutes ago, Coco66 said:

Ride while charging from an external battery in the backpack I assume... 

An INMOTION alternative to Kingsongs external battery pack would be nice. For those that can’t afford multiple wheels this would enable them to ride long distance. 

[EUChristian]

My apology if this question has already been answered (switched preorder to V11 from S18 so haven’t read through all 100+ pages) - I remember reading a knobby Off-road tire will not work on the V11 - can someone verify this?

[Unventor]

9 minutes ago, EUChristian said:

An INMOTION alternative to Kingsongs external battery pack would be nice. For those that can’t afford multiple wheels this would enable them to ride long distance. 

Well to my knowledge Inmotion has never talked about external battery packs. But....

First off it isn't that easy to just plug in a batter as there would normally be a surge from the higher voltage to the lower voltage battery. 

That said the BMS in the V11 said it can handle disconnecting 1 of the 2 battery packs. Liam talked about this in a video released recently. It is not ready to make battery packs swappable. I think this is keyword to how prepared the V11 for an external battery. 

Now they are working on making it possible to swap batteries. But in the same video Liam said this will maybe make it into the next model. It isn't ready yet. Now next up is the V12. Supposedly a 16' non-suspended wheel. Very little details has been revealed yet.

I am not saying it isn't possible but never heard Inmotion comment on this should be possible.  

[gon2fast]

Keep in mind that the V11 has dual charging ports. I have two V11 chargers and it really accelerates the process. Not as effective as having a battery strapped to your back, but far safer/cheaper.   

[Sergey]

6 hours ago, EUChristian said:

My apology if this question has already been answered (switched preorder to V11 from S18 so haven’t read through all 100+ pages) - I remember reading a knobby Off-road tire will not work on the V11 - can someone verify this?

 

[UniVehje]

8 hours ago, EUChristian said:

An INMOTION alternative to Kingsongs external battery pack would be nice. For those that can’t afford multiple wheels this would enable them to ride long distance. 

Having done a lot of long distance riding, I really don’t understand this request. Naturally, people’s needs are different and I don’t know every scenario they think. But most riders cannot ride so many hours without breaks that this feature would be needed. External batteries are heavy. You’ll be better of with dual chargers and charge while having a break. Even if you go to a journey with absolutely no electricity available, you will still take a lot of breaks and can charge from the external battery pack then. It’s really a very specific type of scenario where charging while riding would be needed. 

I don’t know any EUC that can be ridden while charging. Never tested the V11, but I would be surprised if it could. However, there are many PEVs out there that can do this, OneWheels for example. So it’s not an impossible feature to have. On smaller batteries, like OneWheels, it’s actually a useful feature for long rides. They can be ridden to empty on one go without breaks. 

8 hours ago, EUChristian said:

I remember reading a knobby Off-road tire will not work on the V11 - can someone verify this?

I don’t remember reading about this but it’s really just a matter of fitting into the wheel well. Knobbies have usually a larger outer diameter. Looks like at least one model fits according to the video above. I’m interested in this too as I will be changing into a knobby come winter. @mrelwood will probably have tested a few by then. 

[Zopper]

47 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

I don’t know any EUC that can be ridden while charging. Never tested the V11, but I would be surprised if it could. However, there are many PEVs out there that can do this, OneWheels for example. So it’s not an impossible feature to have. On smaller batteries, like OneWheels, it’s actually a useful feature for long rides. They can be ridden to empty on one go without breaks. 

KS is possible, from what I've heard and it was used as an argument in the "V11 vs S18" debate.

57 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

Having done a lot of long distance riding, I really don’t understand this request. Naturally, people’s needs are different and I don’t know every scenario they think. But most riders cannot ride so many hours without breaks that this feature would be needed.

If you ride at the top speed, or uphill, you can quite easily get to low battery before your legs are tired. At sustained 1000W (way bellow the max "sustained" power rating) you get about an hour of ride (down to 30%). That's not that much. And with the charge port limits, you get some 400W trickle charge, so it won't let you indefinitely anyway. In this scenario, it would gave you roughly 45 minutes, even with an infinite battery in your backpack, and a two hour ride is pretty well the time when I would want to take a break.

And with those bigger wheels, it might be possible to attach the batteries on the wheel itself if you are going on a smooth road. The price is safety though - no matter what you do, there are unprotected cables and batteries that are at risk of damage in any case of forced step-down.

[mike_bike_kite]

1 hour ago, UniVehje said:

Having done a lot of long distance riding

You took the V11 off for a series of extended trips wondering if it might be better than the 18XL for long distance touring. Was it? I was quite interested in your opinion but never saw a post or video.

[UniVehje]

10 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

You took the V11 off for a series of extended trips wondering if it might be better than the 18XL for long distance touring. Was it? I was quite interested in your opinion but never saw a post or video.

I think that was @Seba. I was going to go on a week long touring with my V11 but I'm waiting for a new motor. My motor started to have strange noise and I don't want to ride it too much now. I did an 80 km ride with it and I already am sure it will be better than 18XL for long distance touring. Range is not quite the same but comfort is way better. 

[UniVehje]

41 minutes ago, Zopper said:

If you ride at the top speed, or uphill, you can quite easily get to low battery before your legs are tired. At sustained 1000W (way bellow the max "sustained" power rating) you get about an hour of ride (down to 30%). That's not that much. And with the charge port limits, you get some 400W trickle charge, so it won't let you indefinitely anyway. In this scenario, it would gave you roughly 45 minutes, even with an infinite battery in your backpack, and a two hour ride is pretty well the time when I would want to take a break.

Sure there are many scenarios where this feature could be useful. But these are really extreme rare in real life. And I would advice not to plan any touring like this. Only if the point is to get to very far in a very short time and there are no alternative methods of transportation. If the point is to enjoy the ride or do a multiple day trip, then an external battery pack is almost alway a bad idea. Too heavy for multiple day trips as you already have a heavy backpack. Also riding that much in a day without breaks might feel somewhere the next day when you have to ride a lot again. And why would you want to ride as much as your legs can take and not enjoy the scenery or stop at a nice cafe? 

An hour long uphill or being in a hurry to ride full speed for a full hour are scenarios where I would recommend something else than unicycle. Yes, might be useful feature if you happen to come by these scenarios, but the cost of developing the feature is not worth the rare event. Even on a KS that would support it, you still have to buy an expensive pack and carry a charger also. I just don't see the benefit for vast majority of users in real life. Much better to choose another wheel if you really need to ride that long without breaks. 

[Seba]

1 hour ago, UniVehje said:

I don’t know any EUC that can be ridden while charging.

KS wheels allows for it, if you first turn your wheel on and then connect charger. Still, I too don't see the point in carrying a heavy battery pack. Quick charger is the best solution here.

[mrelwood]

Just tested this, V11 stops balancing when power is applied to the charge ports.

1 hour ago, Zopper said:

At sustained 1000W

Sustained/average 1000W would be pretty crazy. I don’t know how anyone could achieve that, other than on a hill that takes an hour to ride up.

[Seba]

20 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

I think that was @Seba. I was going to go on a week long touring with my V11 but I'm waiting for a new motor. My motor started to have strange noise and I don't want to ride it too much now. I did an 80 km ride with it and I already am sure it will be better than 18XL for long distance touring. Range is not quite the same but comfort is way better. 

I plan to write an article in next few days about my long-distance V11 test. In general I can say that V11 can compete with the XL as a long-distance wheel. The V11 has about 20% less range than the XL and in general XL handling is better due to lower pedal height and narrower tire. But with its wider tire and suspension, V11 can in general handle uneven terrain, roots and rocks better. It also has a much better lamp. While there are some drawbacks associated with higher pedal clearance in V11, it helps to avoid hitting some obstacles like roots, stones etc. V11 also behaves differently in low-battery mode, so it's something to get used to.

What surprised me was that riding the V11 was no less tiring than riding the XL. I didn't notice any difference in this respect. More, the foot pain was a little bit greater with the V11. This however may be explained by the fact that the pedals on the V11 are angled, while on the XL they are horizontal. So it is rather a matter of getting used to it. Anyway, not a big difference. XL seems more stable, while V11 seems to me slightly nervous. Again, I contribute it to wider tire and higher pedals. V11 turns much tighter at low speed that XL.

Of course the XL is a mature wheel, proven in battle. The V11 is still a novelty, so its longevity and reliability in the long run is a big unknown. We will be able to discuss this not earlier than next year. Definitely there are no winner in "V11 vs XL as a long-distance, touring wheel" contest. Both wheels have their "pros and cons" and overall result is that both are great.