KingSong 16X 1554Wh 2200W 16*3in (Released July 2019)

[stephen]

2 hours ago, Mike Paolini said:

Also I need them to confirm XT906 was the correct firmware)

Yes that's the correct firmware I've also been testing it today and in happy with it tbh (50kmh down to 70v they have yet to confirm what throttling is below 50kmh and ran out of time to test,) i got the firmware when i was on 50% battery 72v and was able to tests speeds to 25mph i wasn't pushing it anymore due to wind and been so close to 70v , I've done 28 miles today and got 50% left so if they limit the speed to around a safe 25mph down to around 35% ish I'll be happy anything below 35% battery in kph in bit that fussed it will get me gone 😊 , looking good so far , not really had time to fully test but I've done my best so far 👍

Edited September 6, 2019 by stephen

[Mike Paolini]

@stephen  Thanks for confirming the firmware, I was still waiting on an email confirmation.

Do the peddle seem more solid to you with it, or is that my imagination?

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

4 hours ago, fryman said:

I still think its the new 2200W motor.

 

4 hours ago, fryman said:

The power needed to run the new motor is what I am getting at.  If they had run a 2000W motor I am not sure we would be having these issues. Only KS knows cause there are so many variables. 

I think the same and said it already few days ago.

Engine doesn't match the battery. 

Next week I can test at least by myself and I hope the disappointment stays within bounds. 

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

On 9/5/2019 at 8:10 PM, Mike Paolini said:

I honestly do not know what all the whining is about for 1.06.   The KS16x is fun wheel and it delivers.  

And maybe its just me, but I'm okay with safety limitations to keep me upright, skin on my bones, and all my teeth configured as they currently are.   We as a riding community should be DEMANDING safety first and foremost.  Performance comes after safety - because if it is the other way around, eventually these will be outlawed everywhere.

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

As it is, I can feel myself become airborne in the 20's and I'm heavier rider (also riding at 35-37 PSI).  That fat tire *does* transmit more road noise to the rider (which I assume is why a lot of you are running it below manufacture recommended PSI levels),  and this combines with the higher peddles, which  while wonderful off road and at lower speeds for turns, result in a higher center of gravity and less stability (e.g. infamous hard acc and breaking side-to-side-wobbles - though tire may has have input into this).   Nothing comes for free, there is always a trade off.

So my 2 cents, King Song keep doing what you are doing.  If you can zero in on the numbers to give us a bit more, great, if not, that is cool also.  Because the KS16x is great wheel, and I dig it as is.  

(But I do wish you'd fix the BlueTooth .25 second lost playback and release the iOS app that shows the correct power levels).

 

 

23 hours ago, Mike Paolini said:

No, I've tested 1.06 and don't find the warnings I get at 24 mph @ 40% annoying because I don't tend to push it above 25 mph generally at full power.

I mean ultimately you are arguing about a few miles per hour, the difference between say 28 and 24, - giving up 4 mph for a safety margin is a no brainer.   Hell even if it it was 20 mph, I would not find it an issue as a trade off for safety.    20 mph is still more than enough to get seriously hurt, and frankly I rather have the power reserve for hitting an unseen pot hole and staying upright than risking a break or worse... That seems a fair trade off for me. 
 

 

4 hours ago, Mike Paolini said:

Quick update, guys.

KS released a preproduction update to 70v & a 5kph drop, instead of the 74v & 10kph which I've just been granted access to - so it appears they are listening.

I'll get it installed and let you know what I discover.

Sometimes I just don't get it, but I can't read over it either. 

If you're so happy with your 16X with 1.0.6 and you can't understand the whining of the others here, why do you get a test firmware (with warning to wear protective clothing)? Especially when you say that even 20mph would be okay and you don't need more than 25 mph anyway?

Or is this more a race about who was the first who uploaded a YT video with info about the test firmware? 

Edited September 6, 2019 by buell47

[stephen]

3 minutes ago, buell47 said:

Or is this more a race about who has uploaded a YT video with info about the test firmware first? 

Lol I've just done a short clip , i think it's more of people want this sorted throttling sorted and any info is appreciated 👍 

I feel a bit happyier from today's ride it really is a lovely wheel. I'm getting good mileage to👍  hope we don't get throttled to much further down the battery i know it will get lower but not too much i hope

Uploading....

[stephen]

50 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

Do the peddle seem more solid to you with it, or is that my imagination

Not really noticed i was concentrated on everything else lol .. Filming

[meepmeepmayer]

The knee pad discussion resulting from the new firmware testing considerations has been split into its own thread

Edited September 6, 2019 by meepmeepmayer

[stephen]

Just a short clip not had the firmware long I've been riding today and started getting throttling at about 76ish volts loaded,new firmware gives you 50kmh down to 70v , hopefully we will get upto 25mph down to 35% battery at least , upto 25mph is a nice speed not that you do it all the time .

Heres the short vid from the time i had with it

 

[Blueblade]

3 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

The knee pad discussion resulting from the new firmware testing considerations has been split into its own thread

Oh no, this thread is only 153 pages long now! :-)

[stephen]

What do you guys think throttling should be below 50% battery on a sensible safe side👍

[Afeez Kay]

16 minutes ago, stephen said:

What do you guys think throttling should be below 50% battery on a sensible safe side👍

I say give the users a toggle to chose themselves, all the way down to 25% State Of Charge.. or if that is not possible then 30-35% is fine to start the speed reduction from..

Edited September 6, 2019 by Afeez Kay

[stephen]

8 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said:

or if that is not possible then 30-35% is fine to start the speed reduction from..

Yeah that's what i have said to kingsong  50kmh down to 50% battery and then 40kmh down to 35% or better and  then 33kmh down to 25% and then whatever after that ,,what was 1.05 firmware throttling set at as a guideline???,  I'm not using this wheel for speed but the short speed/long bursts you need when needed is good 👍 

[Mike Paolini]

39 minutes ago, stephen said:

What do you guys think throttling should be below 50% battery on a sensible safe side👍

I think that depends on the Engineers not us arm chair quarterbacks.

 

[stephen]

2 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

I think that depends on the Engineers not us arm chair quarterbacks.

 

I've yet to test the new firmware under 50% battery i ran out of time tonight i wonder what they have changed in that respect

[Afeez Kay]

13 minutes ago, stephen said:

Yeah that's what i have said to kingsong  50kmh down to 50% battery and then 40kmh down to 35% or better and  then 33kmh down to 25% and then whatever after that ,,what was 1.05 firmware throttling set at as a guideline???,  I'm not using this wheel for speed but the short speed/long bursts you need when needed is good 👍 

I believe, if I am not mistaken, 25% is when you should start to see the throttling with v1.05... (please correct me if I am wrong). I say let the user chose, with a minimum of 25% state of charge.. I don’t weigh that much, so why should I have to be throttled compared to someone that weights twice as much as I do.. I should not have to be penalised for that.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Afeez Kay

[Gaz Bon]

4 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

think that depends on the Engineers not us arm chair quarterbacks

Engineers tend to over engineer as an ass covering exercise 

Its not like they will develop 5 versions of firmware to cover 5 different weight groups for differet sized riders

Buts good that KS are watching and develpoping on the fly so to speak 

[RoadRunner]

1 hour ago, Afeez Kay said:

all the way down to 25%

That’s more like it.  

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, stephen said:

Just a short clip not had the firmware long I've been riding today and started getting throttling at about 76ish volts loaded,new firmware gives you 50kmh down to 70v , hopefully we will get upto 25mph down to 35% battery at least , upto 25mph is a nice speed not that you do it all the time .

Heres the short vid from the time i had with it

 

You sound & look cold. Is summer already over for you? 

Thanks for being the Guinea Pig 

Don't forget to do some normal riding and just observe how it rides. We're not all going to be zooming around at 25-mph all the time. Just the usual mix. Hopefully the average riding experience with this new firmware will be good and enjoyable.

[Flying W]

@stephen if it's safe enough for kingsong maybe full bore to 50%, 45kph to 35%, 40kph to 25% (under load of course) would be a good middle ground. 

As much as I'd love it to go full vote to 25% it sounds like this wheel is more torque driven and just cannot handle that kind of speed safely like the XL can or some of the other wheels. 

 

[Gasmantle]

41 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

You sound & look cold. Is summer already over for you? 

 

The UK summer was on a Tuesday this year 

[Marty Backe]

10 minutes ago, Gasmantle said:

The UK summer was on a Tuesday this year 

[fryman]

Throttling should not start till 25%. If this can’t be done safely; then it’s time to redesign the wheel. Kingsong has strived for excellence and now is not the time to stop.

[Jon Stern]

I was riding home from work on 1.06 a couple of days ago. The ride to work is only 4 miles and I'd fully charged the wheel over night.

I was cruising at a gentle pace (seemed no faster than my V8's top speed of 19 mph) when I got a "PLEASE DECELERATE!" warning.

I was not impressed and mentally muttered curses at King Song engineers.

Then I pulled out my phone to check the speed. 29 mph! Whoops! Sorry King Song. 🤭

I can't believe how quickly I've become accustomed to the speed of this wheel!

[Jon Stern]

4 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

You sound & look cold. Is summer already over for you? 

It can't be that cold. I heard he was recently spotted riding on Ilkley Moor bar t'at.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Jon Stern

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, Jon Stern said:

It can't be that cold. I heard he was recently spotted riding on IlKley Moor bar t'at.

Wow, that's an obscure reference. One that I still don't fully get  I wonder if Stephen has a clue