The Fat Unicyclist Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Wow, that's an obscure reference. One that I still don't fully get I wonder if Stephen has a clue You Americans crack me up... !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaz Bon Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Wheel cut out no warning no beebs maybe lost traction and wheel span out ???? Version 1.05 firmware As I'm laying in the dirt wheel tells me to please de-ccelerate 🤣 Battery 72% Always wearing full face protection and body armor and pads nose kinda took bit of a hit as visor pushed up hard and knee pad hard cover ripped from its rivets ,knee is bloody and painful Not even 200mts into ride Edited September 7, 2019 by Gaz Bon 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gaz Bon said: Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Wheel cut out no warning no beebs maybe lost traction and wheel span out ???? Version 1.05 firmware As I'm laying in the dirt wheel tells me to please de-ccelerate 🤣 Battery 72% Always wearing full face protection and body armor and pads nose kinda took bit of a hit as visor pushed up hard and knee pad hard cover ripped from its rivets ,knee is bloody and painful Not even 200mts into ride Not having any beebs definitely makes it hurt more... Seriously, how fast were you going / how hard were you accelerating? Is it possible that you didn't hear the beebs beeps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Well i was accelerating and then face plant no reaction time and the joyous sound of please de-celerate in my ears and my face in the dirt I'm 67 kg suited and booted I only just ordered a new helmet and pads set 3 days ago Edited September 7, 2019 by Gaz Bon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kens Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gaz Bon said: Well i was accelerating and then face plant no reaction time and the joyous sound of please de-celerate in my ears and my face in the dirt I'm 67 kg suited and booted I only just ordered a new helmet and pads set 3 days ago Hmm I'm starting to believe is it because of the new 2200W motor like what others have said This new motor is either inefficient or drawing much more power when massive torque is required resulting battery sag more often.. Kingsong just realize this that's why the rolling out aggressive throttling patch. I'm sure they getting more feed back from their customers in China but we just not hearing it here. I wish they just using the 18XL motor like what they intended before the last minute change. That motor is fast enough and reliable. What do you guys think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kens said: Hmm I'm starting to believe is it because of the new 2200W motor like what others have said This new motor is either inefficient or drawing much more power when massive torque is required resulting battery sag more often.. Kingsong just realize this that's why the rolling out aggressive throttling patch. I'm sure they getting more feed back from their customers in China but we just not hearing it here. I wish they just using the 18XL motor like what they intended before the last minute change. That motor is fast enough and reliable. What do you guys think? All of the comments like this suggest that the new motor NEEDS 2200W to perform! Remember that they all work with much less power than that. The stated number is just an indication of how much it can use in a sustained manner... (for example) Riding at 5 mph will use a lot less than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Gene Simmons of KISS went for a ride on my KS 16X. Edited September 7, 2019 by Rehab1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFZ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I've 3.14... last few days update 3.17 popped up. Yesterday update 3.16 popped up. (Android)... Did anyone update and is everything good with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Wheel cut out no warning no beebs maybe lost traction and wheel span out ???? Version 1.05 firmware As I'm laying in the dirt wheel tells me to please de-ccelerate 🤣 Battery 72% Always wearing full face protection and body armor and pads nose kinda took bit of a hit as visor pushed up hard and knee pad hard cover ripped from its rivets ,knee is bloody and painful Damn, f__k protective gear. The most important thing now is to have accurate data and no felt / guessed speed! What is so hard about starting WheelLog before the start, so we can see the exact speed, voltage drop and amps before the cut-off. Just kidding , but please, next time use WheelLog AND protective gear. Edited September 7, 2019 by buell47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Wow, that's an obscure reference. One that I still don't fully get I wonder if Stephen has a clue On Ilkley Moor bar t'at meaning with out a hat lol its that cold you need one😀 7 hours ago, Marty Backe said: You sound & look cold. Is summer already over for you? Thanks for being the Guinea Pig Don't forget to do some normal riding and just observe how it rides. We're not all going to be zooming around at 25-mph all the time. Just the usual mix. Hopefully the average riding experience with this new firmware will be good and enjoyable. It is getting colder now summers messily over ,, but i do go to Bulgaria next week holiday😊 I'll do some normal riding, the usual mix is what even my range tests are we don't really have routes what go on for miles it's all Streets, parks , woods and whatever we can find lol , i don't usually go above 25mph often ,i usually zip about at anything upto 25 mph maybe a tad more 👍 i am loving the wheel though 6 hours ago, Flying W said: if it's safe enough for kingsong maybe full bore to 50% The new firmware is full bore down to 50% I've not tested what it is under that yet👍 i won't be testing full bore though I've never done full bore on any wheel . That why i asked kingsong about the extreme throttling below 50% because we don't want our fun to stop below that. Still testing it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, stephen said: On Ilkley Moor bar t'at meaning with out a hat lol its that cold you need one😀 It is getting colder now summers messily over ,, but i do go to Bulgaria next week holiday😊 I'll do some normal riding, the usual mix is what even my range tests are we don't really have routes what go on for miles it's all Streets, parks , woods and whatever we can find lol , i don't usually go above 25mph often ,i usually zip about at anything upto 25 mph maybe a tad more 👍 i am loving the wheel though The new firmware is full bore down to 50% I've not tested what it is under that yet👍 i won't be testing full bore though I've never done full bore on any wheel . That why i asked kingsong about the extreme throttling below 50% because we don't want our fun to stop below that. Still testing it I've watched two videos on this and I still can't understand what the hell they're talking about and what this has to do with a hat or Stephen's riding conditions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I've watched two videos on this and I still can't understand what the hell they're talking about and what this has to do with a hat or Stephen's riding conditions On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at is a folk song from Yorkshire, England. It is sung in the ... [ wearing] the hat"; idiomatically "On Ilkley Moor without (i.e. bar) the hat". .. And me ,,on one of my videos I'm not wearing a helmet (hat) ,, it's a Yorkshire thing 😀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjunlee Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Wheel cut out no warning no beebs maybe lost traction and wheel span out Version 1.05 firmware Wow, 45 kph is 27 mph! Are you ok? Was it a cut out or over lean? Can you post your wheelog? A 100V wheel would’ve had an extra 16V to balance you. Edited September 7, 2019 by chrisjunlee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) On my msx i can speed to 28mph which is safe for that motor i didn't buy the ks16x to go top speed, going top speed on any wheels maximum is pushing your luck , I've always said i absolutely love everything about the ks16x until the throttling started early in just hoping the 16x has fun speed throughout the near bottom of the battery 25-35at least . I for one won't be testing upto 31 mph so might need someone else for that 😬 This wheel can accelerate to 25mph very very quick maybe near top speed the wheels acceleration is that fast it hits the limit to quick and decelerate warning and cuts out in a split moment Edited September 7, 2019 by stephen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, chrisjunlee said: A 100V wheel would’ve had an extra 26V to balance you. I don't think the calculation is quite right. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Maybe we have to tell @RoberAce that he needs to be more careful, because he is riding like a demon. And i wonder what @Kuji Rolls is saying to all this? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 16X. The ironic wheel. So easy and effortless to get it up to speed. The faster you go the more stable it gets. Suddenly you have to decelerate. Is that a tilt back I feel at fw1.05? I will not push through anyway. Hmmm... Oh yes look... Darknessbot says 45% battery and I hit 45.5kmh. We bought it based on the XL 25% throttling behaviour. I still got 42kmh at 28% battery. Like others have said: Integrate a toggle. 1 - I'm an idiot (off/on). 2 - conservative mode (off/on). Right? The V10 has 2 modes. Classic and whatever the other mode was called. Just add a performance mode. Default mode is safe mode. Or unleash the 60kmh that we see on the slider and recalculate/throttle based on that. DO IT!!!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Wheel cut out no warning no beebs maybe lost traction and wheel span out ???? Version 1.05 firmware As I'm laying in the dirt wheel tells me to please de-ccelerate 🤣 Battery 72% Always wearing full face protection and body armor and pads nose kinda took bit of a hit as visor pushed up hard and knee pad hard cover ripped from its rivets ,knee is bloody and painful Not even 200mts into ride Hmm I just wrote a post and hadn't updated the page and after posting I see this. I am also a light rider. I weigh 63kg and my riding weight is usually +5kg on that. 1.05 FW as well. What is your 3rd alarm set at? To me it seems to be a hard speed and sadly not a %. I smacked my pedal on some stairs the other day while going up a ramp. I got off and the wheel did a little spin and told me to decelerate lol. This is not the first cut on the 16X is it? 72%. Damn man that's high battery for a failure. I accelerate carefully above 40kmh. The other day I went for a ride with some friends and I pushed it to 50kmh for around 1km. The wheel gently tilted me indicating that I shouldn't accelerate further. I scanned carefully while riding so as not to hit bumps at that speed or at least slow down into them. Carving was easy, sliding the wheel under me. Yesterday I pushed my speed alarm all the way up to 50kmh. I hit tilt back at 45.5kmh and did not get a please decelerate. Just a subtle tilt. Works for me. But I can see the dangers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarpMudd Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: Just had a face plant @ Speed maybe 45kph on dirt Wheel cut out no warning no beebs maybe lost traction and wheel span out ???? Glad you survived without too much damage! Just wish we could see the data on this one to know root cause. The fact that you heard "please decelerate" right after falling may indicate your wheel lost traction on the dirt surface and spun out well above 45kph. I've been riding around like a hellion on v1.05 and I weigh 65kg. I was thinking I was "more safe" as I'm a light rider! I'm certain I've surpassed 27mph < 72% battery many times, but only on smooth roads and not while riding over loose dirt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, chrisjunlee said: Wow, 45 kph is 27 mph! Are you ok? Was it a cut out or over lean? Can you post your wheelog? A 100V wheel would’ve had an extra 26V to balance you. So I only use wheel log for current trip so no record or data saved After crash was bit dazed so never looked at any data So riding hard tilt back set at 50 kph and 3rd warning Alm at 48kph Have rode this trail many times on the MSX no dramas and at similar speed I can see the benefit now of and the why to wheel log Only other thing is just had changes ride mode to hard from my norm medium Edited September 7, 2019 by Gaz Bon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Ps feels like I might have a mild case of whip lash to boot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 As here the Kingsong engineers are mentioned quite often, they could look to implement a dynamic tiltback based on speed, current/acceleration and battery voltage. @Micheal Shen@US69 - that would guarantee safe driving (constant safety margin for all riding styles) and let the riders use the really maximum speed. I already sketched this out (roughly) in Could be worth the effort to "push" the engineers in this direction?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, Gaz Bon said: After crash was bit dazed so never looked at any data Seems not entirely true as here's a snap shot of wheel log after fall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 hours ago, chrisjunlee said: A 100V wheel would’ve had an extra 26V to balance you. And a 67V wheel would’ve fallen right at the start? That’s not how it goes. It’s the voltage per cell that matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, Chriull said: implement a dynamic tiltback based on speed, current/acceleration and battery voltage. This would be magnificent! And a true safety feature for all riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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