KingSong 16X 1554Wh 2200W 16*3in (Released July 2019)

[Tadas]

If you want to ride above 40 km/h, those tiltbacks will be really really annoying. And they start early, from 76 V idle.

If you're happy staying below 30 km/h (=32 km/h wheel speed), then 16X is an amazing wheel!

[Chriull]

10 minutes ago, fryman said:

Sure, if you ignore the tilt back or warning beeps.

With the 16B it was "easily" possible to overlean before any tiltback started. Regarding beeps it depends at which speed they are set - if only at tiltback speed, no beeping will happen, too.

Have no such overlean data for the KS16S or other wheels, it could be quite possible too. Just needs stronger acceleration and the overlean happens at higher speeds. Imho if one accelerates really hard in such ranges a tiltback won't help too much, anyhow as the overlean is just to come anyhow and not enough time left to react.

10 minutes ago, fryman said:

  My point is that the 16X should be safe with lower throttling and currently Kingsong is saying it is not.

Somewhere here afair was reported that the KS16X can draw much more current as the KS18XL, so should also accelerate much better?

As it seems this higher burden/acceleration possibilities are now countered with this new throttling?

The only way to drive a wheel safely is to not accelerate to hard at higher speeds.

8 minutes ago, ir_fuel said:

Yeah I don't really get what's going on either.

And i'd assume we'll never really will...

[pico]

I read a lot of people comparing 18 inch wheels to 16 inch wheels. From an engineering point of view there is only so much ferromagnetic material you can pack on a 16inch wheel.

In a brushless motor of a given size there is only so much power you can extract before saturating the core. (Even pushing efficiency to the max)

For a given maximum allowable current at a given voltage (i.e. Watts) you have to compromise between torque(acceleration) and speed. 

I think the Kingsong fans have cornered the Kingsong engineers. (I must say, I saw this coming ) Been there...

I remember saying, "The last 10% of performance gets you in 90% of the trouble"

[Chriull]

42 minutes ago, Tadas said:

Just came back from riding v1.06. Logged all the tiltback events, here are the numbers after digging through Wheellog's log.

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Kingsong reports higher speed compared to GPS, to get real speed I correct kingsong's speed by factor of 0.94.

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KS16X v1.06 tiltbacks.ods 26.44 kB · 0 downloads

Your numbers are "worse" than the speed reduction graph resulting from the following assumptions:

3 hours ago, Chriull said:

100% is assumed 4,1125V average cell voltage for all wheels.

...

KS16X (1.06) with 3.15V==0%. Downto 50% 50 km/h, then linear decrease to 25 km/h at 0%.

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Here 68V would lead to 38 km/h, 72V to 48 km/h.

From your first graph (KS speed numbers) one gets for 68V ~32km/h, 72V ~ 41 km/h, leading to reaching 50 km/h at ~76V. That'll be average ~3.8V per cell which is above 50% battery charge no matter how one sets the limits...

[stephen]

Well! All my hype as gone ive just been out,, first long ride,, loved it this machine accelerates like shit off a stick ,goes up hills with ease ,it rides like your floating on air ,so silky smooth, corners lovely,you don't have to think about anything just ride BUT THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS      "KINGSONG SORT THIS OUT"  the bloody throttling started at 78v limited me to 25mph then not long after that it limited me to 20mph i only went about 20miles , so my long drag home home another 10 miles with please decelerate at 20mph ,i felt like a new rider just cruising along at a steady pace , i arrived home with 40% battery left 40% of battery i won't use tbh , so basically I've got a wheel i can only use 45-50% of battery rest is useless tbh , i wouldn't mind if the warning actually came on at the throttling speeds but they come on slightly early, i was only doing my usual run all on the flat no excessive acceleration due to the warnings so i thought I'd be careful on the pedal and  just cruise past the speed ,going to sneak up on it slowly lol NOPE didn't work ☹️ there's one big hill near home and the ks16x just cruised up it no problem it's about 100meters long and steep the 16x still has the power for hills but for me my dream has gone.  "my perfect wheel some of you might know I've been so excited about it"  but my dream wheel has gone due to the flawed firmware 

I might sell the wheel cause i can't see myself using it just for 40-50% of the battery it would be a waste of money 

I consider myself as a bit of an experienced rider and wouldn't put myself into a position that i would over power it at from it's limits but for kingsong to take that away from me is pathetic , this wheel i can only recommend for new riders or for more experienced ones but only for 50% of the battery ,

I'm so disappointed as i love this wheel it's got everything as mentioned above is my dream wheel for 40% of the battery but that's all 

The ks16x gets upto 20mph so quick without even trying then tilts you back i was willing to accept the 25% throttling when i pre- ordered it but kingsong have doubled the throttling ,, the words my last kingsong product I'm going to buy is already in my head,

I've gone from best wheel on the market to worst wheel on the market after just 20 miles into my range test which i had to return home and now it's sat with 40% battery left after doing my last 10 miles at 20mph

Sorry for going on but its disheartened me ☹️☹️☹️

[Mike Paolini]

23 hours ago, ir_fuel said:

Sorry, but measuring sub 2-seconds accelerations with a phone app?

That's never going to be accurate. Your phone does GPS sampling at 1Hz. That's 1 sample per second, including the lack of GPS accuracy. How will this ever give a meaningful result where you can compare 1.9s vs 1.7s. or 5.7 vs 6.1.

If you don't have at least 10Hz sampling with a high precision active GPS antenna, the results are worthless.

 

@ir_fuel

I'm not sure yours is the total picture  - because the the same sampling rate is applied consistently (1Hz which is sample per second).

Moving into more detail though, since GPS is providing 1 location point every second, we can measure total distance traveled in that 1 second (and here I'm assuming no wobble or bounce issues).  And that allows for us to compute the time it took, in fractions of a second, to cover the distance (e.g. Assuming I've done my math correctly, @ 20kph over a period of 1.6 seconds a distance of 8.89 meters would be traveled and over 2 seconds it would be 11.11 meters). So given GPS point T1 minus point T0 it is reasonable to compute when we reached 20khp in tenth of a second accuracy.

Which brings me to my next point, GPS isn't the only way to do it.  Going a different path leveraging the accelerometers - which on the iPhone at least sample at 50Hz - a sample ever 0.02 seconds.  And naturally two methods could be combined as well.

So while it may not reach the level of precision in sampling you' prefer for the GPS method alone, it does not invalidate it, it simply requires more math to figure to walk backwards from the total distance traveled to compute what the time in seconds would have been at a target speed of 20khp.  And even if the programer was lazy, it would still provides an indication of what a higher sampling rate would point to - both wheels are reaching similar speeds at similar intervals.  

Lastly, for what it is worth, people have tested these apps against the measurements on quarter mile tracks with pretty good results.

[Marty Backe]

6 minutes ago, stephen said:

Well! All my hype as gone ive just been out,, first long ride,, loved it this machine accelerates like shit off a stick ,goes up hills with ease ,it rides like your floating on air ,so silky smooth, corners lovely,you don't have to think about anything just ride BUT THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS      "KINGSONG SORT THIS OUT"  the bloody throttling started at 78v limited me to 25mph then not long after that it limited me to 20mph i only went about 20miles , so my long drag home home another 10 miles with please decelerate at 20mph ,i felt like a new rider just cruising along at a steady pace , i arrived home with 40% battery left 40% of battery i won't use tbh , so basically I've got a wheel i can only use 45-50% of battery rest is useless tbh , i wouldn't mind if the warning actually came on at the throttling speeds but they come on slightly early, i was only doing my usual run all on the flat no excessive acceleration due to the warnings so i thought I'd be careful on the pedal and  just cruise past the speed ,going to sneak up on it slowly lol NOPE didn't work ☹️ there's one big hill near home and the ks16x just cruised up it no problem it's about 100meters long and steep the 16x still has the power for hills but for me my dream has gone.  "my perfect wheel some of you might know I've been so excited about it"  but my dream wheel has gone due to the flawed firmware 

I might sell the wheel cause i can't see myself using it just for 40-50% of the battery it would be a waste of money 

I consider myself as a bit of an experienced rider and wouldn't put myself into a position that i would over power it at from it's limits but for kingsong to take that away from me is pathetic , this wheel i can only recommend for new riders or for more experienced ones but only for 50% of the battery ,

I'm so disappointed as i love this wheel it's got everything as mentioned above is my dream wheel for 40% of the battery but that's all 

The ks16x gets upto 20mph so quick without even trying then tilts you back i was willing to accept the 25% throttling when i pre- ordered it but kingsong have doubled the throttling ,, the words my last kingsong product I'm going to buy is already in my head,

I've gone from best wheel on the market to worst wheel on the market after just 20 miles into my range test which i had to return home and now it's sat with 40% battery left after doing my last 10 miles at 20mph

Sorry for going on but its disheartened me ☹️☹️☹️

Yeah, I loved your enthusiasm but I did think it was a bit premature since you hadn't yet really ridden the wheel.

I could almost live with the 25-mph throttling, but as you point out, that's just the starting speed limit. It progressively gets worse in a bad way.

I have to believe that KingSong is going to fix this. My KS14S had speed throttling at 50% but they eventually changed it to 25%. Same with the 18XL.

[Patton250]

12 minutes ago, stephen said:

Well! All my hype as gone ive just been out,, first long ride,, loved it this machine accelerates like shit off a stick ,goes up hills with ease ,it rides like your floating on air ,so silky smooth, corners lovely,you don't have to think about anything just ride BUT THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS      "KINGSONG SORT THIS OUT"  the bloody throttling started at 78v limited me to 25mph then not long after that it limited me to 20mph i only went about 20miles , so my long drag home home another 10 miles with please decelerate at 20mph ,i felt like a new rider just cruising along at a steady pace , i arrived home with 40% battery left 40% of battery i won't use tbh , so basically I've got a wheel i can only use 45-50% of battery rest is useless tbh , i wouldn't mind if the warning actually came on at the throttling speeds but they come on slightly early, i was only doing my usual run all on the flat no excessive acceleration due to the warnings so i thought I'd be careful on the pedal and  just cruise past the speed ,going to sneak up on it slowly lol NOPE didn't work ☹️ there's one big hill near home and the ks16x just cruised up it no problem it's about 100meters long and steep the 16x still has the power for hills but for me my dream has gone.  "my perfect wheel some of you might know I've been so excited about it"  but my dream wheel has gone due to the flawed firmware 

I might sell the wheel cause i can't see myself using it just for 40-50% of the battery it would be a waste of money 

I consider myself as a bit of an experienced rider and wouldn't put myself into a position that i would over power it at from it's limits but for kingsong to take that away from me is pathetic , this wheel i can only recommend for new riders or for more experienced ones but only for 50% of the battery ,

I'm so disappointed as i love this wheel it's got everything as mentioned above is my dream wheel for 40% of the battery but that's all 

The ks16x gets upto 20mph so quick without even trying then tilts you back i was willing to accept the 25% throttling when i pre- ordered it but kingsong have doubled the throttling ,, the words my last kingsong product I'm going to buy is already in my head,

I've gone from best wheel on the market to worst wheel on the market after just 20 miles into my range test which i had to return home and now it's sat with 40% battery left after doing my last 10 miles at 20mph

Sorry for going on but its disheartened me ☹️☹️☹️

 You described everything perfectly. To me this is the absolute best riding wheel on the market today for 40% of the battery.  After that it’s annoying, irritating and somewhat offensive. 

[stephen]

1 minute ago, Marty Backe said:

Yeah, I loved your enthusiasm but I did think it was a bit premature since you hadn't yet really ridden the wheel.

I could almost live with the 25-mph throttling, but as you point out, that's just the starting speed limit. It progressively gets worse in a bad way.

I have to believe that KingSong is going to fix this. My KS14S had speed throttling at 50% but they eventually changed it to 25%. Same with the 18XL.

I still think the wheel is the best for me but only down to 60% ish battery left after that i don't enjoy it i can't understand why they throttling it so high up on the battery ,  i absolutely love the wheel but i can't justify a 1600wh wheel and use only 700-800watts and then charge it up

[stephen]

29 minutes ago, Patton250 said:

 You described everything perfectly. To me this is the absolute best riding wheel on the market today for 40% of the battery.  After that it’s annoying, irritating and somewhat offensive. 

It really is I've never ridden a better wheel the feeling is top class shame it's limited though ☹️

[Patricio Bohórquez Rodríguez de Medina]

How is the latest update (firmware v1.07) going? Any improvements? It is already available.

[stephen]

4 minutes ago, Patricio Bohórquez Rodríguez de Medina said:

How is the latest update (firmware v1.07) going? Any improvements? It is already available.

It was only an app update

[Mike Paolini]

I honestly do not know what all the whining is about for 1.06.   The KS16x is fun wheel and it delivers.  

And maybe its just me, but I'm okay with safety limitations to keep me upright, skin on my bones, and all my teeth configured as they currently are.   We as a riding community should be DEMANDING safety first and foremost.  Performance comes after safety - because if it is the other way around, eventually these will be outlawed everywhere.

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

As it is, I can feel myself become airborne in the 20's and I'm heavier rider (also riding at 35-37 PSI).  That fat tire *does* transmit more road noise to the rider (which I assume is why a lot of you are running it below manufacture recommended PSI levels),  and this combines with the higher peddles, which  while wonderful off road and at lower speeds for turns, result in a higher center of gravity and less stability (e.g. infamous hard acc and breaking side-to-side-wobbles - though tire may has have input into this).   Nothing comes for free, there is always a trade off.

So my 2 cents, King Song keep doing what you are doing.  If you can zero in on the numbers to give us a bit more, great, if not, that is cool also.  Because the KS16x is great wheel, and I dig it as is.  

(But I do wish you'd fix the BlueTooth .25 second lost playback and release the iOS app that shows the correct power levels).

 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Mike Paolini

[chrisjunlee]

3 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

As it is, I can feel myself become airborne in the 20's and I'm heavier rider (also riding at 35-37 PSI).  That fat tire *does* transmit more road noise to the rider (which I assume is why a lot of you are running it below manufacture recommended PSI levels),  and this combines with the higher peddles, which  while wonderful off road and at lower speeds for turns, result in a higher center of gravity and less stability (e.g. infamous hard acc and breaking side-to-side-wobbles - though tire may has have input into this).   Nothing comes for free, there is always a trade off.

There does exist another 16" EUC that barely breaks a sweat cruising 35+ mph, lets you do 30+ mph at 25% battery with plenty of buffer, has a cushy stock tire, and feels rock steady at speed compared to the squirrely 18XL. If this other wheel did not exist, we would be obliviously happy with the 16X as it is.

[Flying W]

If this throttling worked like @Micheal Shen said, no aggressive acceleration between 40kph and 50kph will still let you get to 50kph, then this may be fine but it seems like that is not true and the wheel limits you no matter how you accelerate. 

It's a shame.....everything else about this wheel sounds amazing but I will hold off on buying one until this is resolved. The while point of a larger battery is to have fun longer but this isnt jumping from an 800wh class wheel to 1600, more like 800 to 1200wh ish performance wise with a huge "limp home mode". 

Anyone who is a 250lb rider already knows they need to be more careful. I'm in the 190s when geared up and I dont accelerate like some of the lighter riders I see on YouTube because I know I'm heavier. 

I'm sure kingsong can have a heavier rider do some testing. They fixed it on the XL but look at how many bought the MSX instead durring the backlash. And that wheel wasnt advertised at 25% and changed after the fact. 

Now that the new limit is not mentioned in the change logs for the update there will be people who dont frequent these forums updating and wondering why their wheel is throttling so early as well. 

For @stephen to be stuck at 20mph after only 20 miles is totally ridiculous,  I can do that on an 800wh wheel. 

Fixing this sooner rather than later will save a lot of sales. If a fix cannot be done due to safety concerns then I think kingsong should tell us exactly why. It takes more torque to turn an 18in wheel like the XL and we already know a 16in xan do this (Nicola, Tesla). 

[chrisjunlee]

8 minutes ago, Flying W said:

I'm sure kingsong can have a heavier rider do some testing.

We need Kuji to eat more rolls to achieve his final form, Mount Fuji

[Slashebeest]

35 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

I honestly do not know what all the whining is about for 1.06.   The KS16x is fun wheel and it delivers.  

And maybe its just me, but I'm okay with safety limitations to keep me upright, skin on my bones, and all my teeth configured as they currently are.   We as a riding community should be DEMANDING safety first and foremost.  Performance comes after safety - because if it is the other way around, eventually these will be outlawed everywhere.

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

As it is, I can feel myself become airborne in the 20's and I'm heavier rider (also riding at 35-37 PSI).  That fat tire *does* transmit more road noise to the rider (which I assume is why a lot of you are running it below manufacture recommended PSI levels),  and this combines with the higher peddles, which  while wonderful off road and at lower speeds for turns, result in a higher center of gravity and less stability (e.g. infamous hard acc and breaking side-to-side-wobbles - though tire may has have input into this).   Nothing comes for free, there is always a trade off.

So my 2 cents, King Song keep doing what you are doing.  If you can zero in on the numbers to give us a bit more, great, if not, that is cool also.  Because the KS16x is great wheel, and I dig it as is.  

(But I do wish you'd fix the BlueTooth .25 second lost playback and release the iOS app that shows the correct power levels).

 

maybe, but than kingsong shouldn't have advertised this wheel as a 31mph wheel in the first place, I'm okee with the safety first, there's a reason why I bought the 16x and not the nikola(apart from the fact that I think the latter is ugly as hell).

 

If I knew they would have implemented this throttling, I would have gone for a different wheel.

I bought this wheel with they idea when i'm riding 40kph, I still have enough reserve without hitting warnings/tiltback all the time like a had with my 16b.

I still think it's weird why all of the sudden they added throttling at 74v, either they know something or something went wrong in their calculations.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Slashebeest

[Patton250]

43 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

I honestly do not know what all the whining is about for 1.06.   The KS16x is fun wheel and it delivers.  

And maybe its just me, but I'm okay with safety limitations to keep me upright, skin on my bones, and all my teeth configured as they currently are.   We as a riding community should be DEMANDING safety first and foremost.  Performance comes after safety - because if it is the other way around, eventually these will be outlawed everywhere.

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

As it is, I can feel myself become airborne in the 20's and I'm heavier rider (also riding at 35-37 PSI).  That fat tire *does* transmit more road noise to the rider (which I assume is why a lot of you are running it below manufacture recommended PSI levels),  and this combines with the higher peddles, which  while wonderful off road and at lower speeds for turns, result in a higher center of gravity and less stability (e.g. infamous hard acc and breaking side-to-side-wobbles - though tire may has have input into this).   Nothing comes for free, there is always a trade off.

So my 2 cents, King Song keep doing what you are doing.  If you can zero in on the numbers to give us a bit more, great, if not, that is cool also.  Because the KS16x is great wheel, and I dig it as is.  

(But I do wish you'd fix the BlueTooth .25 second lost playback and release the iOS app that shows the correct power levels).

 

 Just out of curiosity but did you actually read the detailed explanations as to why people are upset? 

[stephen]

39 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

Im happy with 25mph tbh im just not happy with it going below 25mph at 60% battery that's ridiculous ,i do also like saftey but kingsong has over done saftey, im beginning to think they know something we don't there's no other reason to cap it so early 

44 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

They advertised it at 31mph and 25% throttling otherwise I'd of bought something else tbh ,tesla2 84v 16" wheel would of given me more play range and cheaper

 

49 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

So my 2 cents, King Song keep doing what you are doing.  If you can zero in on the numbers to give us a bit more, great, if not, that is cool also.  Because the KS16x is great wheel, and I dig it as is.  

Kingsong keep doing what you are doing and you are sure to lose sales , 

It was your sales pitch why i bought it . If you'd of advertised the throttling i woudnt of bought it ,, at least give us 25mph to the lower end of battery 20mph is not acceptable at 60% battery

[Marty Backe]

54 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

I honestly do not know what all the whining is about for 1.06.   The KS16x is fun wheel and it delivers.  

And maybe its just me, but I'm okay with safety limitations to keep me upright, skin on my bones, and all my teeth configured as they currently are.   We as a riding community should be DEMANDING safety first and foremost.  Performance comes after safety - because if it is the other way around, eventually these will be outlawed everywhere.

Also I'm not really sure that a *version 1.0* of a *brand new engine* and *new control system* (and the new software also going with it), running a 16x3" tire, really belongs at speeds greater than 25 mph in the first place - at 40% or 100% of battery.   If you need those kinds of speeds, maybe think 18" or 22"  100v (not 16" 84v).

As it is, I can feel myself become airborne in the 20's and I'm heavier rider (also riding at 35-37 PSI).  That fat tire *does* transmit more road noise to the rider (which I assume is why a lot of you are running it below manufacture recommended PSI levels),  and this combines with the higher peddles, which  while wonderful off road and at lower speeds for turns, result in a higher center of gravity and less stability (e.g. infamous hard acc and breaking side-to-side-wobbles - though tire may has have input into this).   Nothing comes for free, there is always a trade off.

So my 2 cents, King Song keep doing what you are doing.  If you can zero in on the numbers to give us a bit more, great, if not, that is cool also.  Because the KS16x is great wheel, and I dig it as is.  

(But I do wish you'd fix the BlueTooth .25 second lost playback and release the iOS app that shows the correct power levels).

 

Really? I suppose if the 16X existed in a vacuum (no other competitors, including the 18XL) and we were in 2016, yeah, the 16X would be fantastic.

So you're on a 40-mile ride and after ~20-miles you're limited to the low-20's???

Given all the other wheels out there (including other KingSong models), this 1.06 behavior is lame and worthy of labeling the 16X as a Intermediate Wheel. Advance riders need not apply.

[stephen]

Just been on my msx and did 26mph and it felt fast now im wondering if kingsong 25mph and 20mph are actually correct , the ks16x takes seconds to get to 25mph but doesn't feel like 25mph when you are there but it does accelerate fast and feels so smooth ,,, more testing needed as im beginning to think something is wrong 🤔

[Marty Backe]

17 minutes ago, stephen said:

Just been on my msx and did 26mph and it felt fast now im wondering if kingsong 25mph and 20mph are actually correct , the ks16x takes seconds to get to 25mph but doesn't feel like 25mph when you are there but it does accelerate fast and feels so smooth ,,, more testing needed as im beginning to think something is wrong 🤔

Get a GPS Speedometer app for your phone.

You do know that both KingSong and Gotway speeds are usually about ~10% off, right? I haven't tested the 16X, but most other wheels are incorrect. So 25-mph is actually closer to ~22-mph.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Marty Backe

[Tadas]

18 minutes ago, stephen said:

Just been on my msx and did 26mph and it felt fast now im wondering if kingsong 25mph and 20mph are actually correct , the ks16x takes seconds to get to 25mph but doesn't feel like 25mph when you are there but it does accelerate fast and feels so smooth ,,, more testing needed as im beginning to think something is wrong 🤔

I have done a lot of diligent calibration with GPS and for my wheel:

gps_speed = 0.94 * ks_speed
 

Real (GPS) speed throttling graph:

 

[stephen]

Here's my 2 screens of speed you can clearly see after my days ride where it started throttling .. Plus you can clearly see i wasn't doing top speeds even when i had the voltage if i did my battery would of gone down quicker, and if i had I'd even have less fun of a day out

Look at the speed it was only a leisurely range test too

1st screen is the return home and 2nd screen is the beginning

 

 

If i was on a clear stretch the please decelerate and tiltback would of been constant but that why i bought the 16x because i don't have clear stretches but when it is clear i want to do at least 25mph , i didn't exactly floor it did i

Edited September 5, 2019 by stephen

[chrisjunlee]

17 minutes ago, Tadas said:

gps_speed = 0.94 * ks_speed

Now we know GPS is inaccurate by 6% - excellent work 😎

@stephenbruh, that's the longest image of all time - of all time. RIP thumbs.

Edited September 5, 2019 by chrisjunlee