Gotway MSuper X arrived

[novazeus]

5 hours ago, mezzanine said:

If you find you need more light, consider picking up a headlamp.  I've got one, but don't really need to use it.

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Diamond-620634-Spot-Headlamp/dp/B06XQFZCPX

the V10F headlight is just right for me out here. the woods with no street lights and under my tree canopy is like a cave some nights. hope it makes me scarier to the coyotes.

[Electroman]

9 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

The ACM2, Tesla, MCM5, Mten3, 100-volt Monster, all have the same LED headlamp as the new MSuper X. Substantially more bright than the old LED's like what's in your ACM.

Thanks Marty, substantially is exactly what I want to hear cause it's true the old one I have is pretty lame to be honest, but it's good news they learn and improve and if I remember correctly reading some of your earlier posts the new lamp can be bought and mounted to existing old wheels right, same housing and all?

I would love to have exact physical measurements of if as well as the operational power requirements if exchanging with something that could just be fitted and hooked up without modifications, Cree broke the 300 lumen/watt barrier back in 2014 and these Gotway lamps are simplistic I suspect. Something like a reflector/collimator package, a small led bead on a star, driver in the bottom, possibly some metal to soak up a bit of heat if generated, perhaps I am wrong but I suspect that's a typical led package in this regard?

8 hours ago, beast@tanagra said:

This is a big deal when doing night-time maneuvers. I can't speak to how improved current Gotway lights are over their predecessors, but the narrow beam of my MTen3 is still adequate only if I'm going in a straight line. Even a gently slaloming carve down a sidewalk is kind of sketchy without my helmet light, because it doesn't take a very large obstruction to give a 10" wheel trouble.

My V10F provides plenty of wide-beam illumination for the same narrow slaloming. I still love my helmet lamp, though, for look-aheads on sharp turns.

I'd love to see a mod that gave a wheel broad underglow illumination, even if it only brightened a circle about 1m in diameter. Colored lights would look damn sexy in that configuration.

Get some at Ali, attach under your wheel. ?

[Marty Backe]

5 hours ago, Electroman said:

Thanks Marty, substantially is exactly what I want to hear cause it's true the old one I have is pretty lame to be honest, but it's good news they learn and improve and if I remember correctly reading some of your earlier posts the new lamp can be bought and mounted to existing old wheels right, same housing and all?

I would love to have exact physical measurements of if as well as the operational power requirements if exchanging with something that could just be fitted and hooked up without modifications, Cree broke the 300 lumen/watt barrier back in 2014 and these Gotway lamps are simplistic I suspect. Something like a reflector/collimator package, a small led bead on a star, driver in the bottom, possibly some metal to soak up a bit of heat if generated, perhaps I am wrong but I suspect that's a typical led package in this regard?

Get some at Ali, attach under your wheel. ?

The physical dimensions are not identical. Somebody here (can't remember who) ordered the new LED and was able to install it in their older Gotway wheel. They had to make a small modification but I can't remember what. But the upgrade was successful and they were very happy.

[FULspeed]

Yes, was my upgrade.

Here the link:

 

[FULspeed]

... but finally, even the new headlight proved to be insufficient for proper lighting of the road (at high speed...), so I added an extra one.
(here in the picture, it is powered by USB socket)

Edited July 2, 2018 by FULspeed

[Marty Backe]

20 minutes ago, FULspeed said:

... but finally, even the new headlight proved to be insufficient for proper lighting of the road (at high speed...), so I added an extra one.
(here in the picture, it is powered by USB socket)

Very nice  Do you have a product link? I like the look of this light.

You just plug it into the unmodified USB port on the wheel?

[FULspeed]

Just another Ali product:

https://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/0.html?spm=a2g0s.9042647.6.2.7b5f4c4dmm8IZN&orderId=504882092543290&productId=32840364266

and yes, it's powered by a normal 5 Volt USB (so also with an external power bank battery)

The only adaptation is the support, that one too 3d printed..

Support TRI-LED ACM.stl

[joku]

Can you show how bright it is? I was thinking of getting a lumecube, but now I see this.

[Marty Backe]

42 minutes ago, FULspeed said:

Just another Ali product:

https://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/0.html?spm=a2g0s.9042647.6.2.7b5f4c4dmm8IZN&orderId=504882092543290&productId=32840364266

and yes, it's powered by a normal 5 Volt USB (so also with an external power bank battery)

The only adaptation is the support, that one too 3d printed..

Support TRI-LED ACM.stl

Your Ali link isn't working 

[FULspeed]

1 hour ago, Marty Backe said:

Your Ali link isn't working

Correct, my mistake, I put the link of my order...

Problem: that vendor is out of stock for that one actually, so the link is in any case wrong.

It has a very similar model now, have a look here:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-SolarStorm-Outdoor-XM-L-T6-X3-LED-4-Mode-Bicycle-Head-Light-Cycling-Front-Lamp/32815251352.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.7fcdfa6fmM7KZc&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10696_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10820_10821_10302_10843_10059_100031_524_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=3e62d457-b46a-4107-8741-b02791313b22-0&algo_pvid=3e62d457-b46a-4107-8741-b02791313b22&priceBeautifyAB=0

I hope the link is the correct now...

 

Edited July 2, 2018 by FULspeed

[Marty Backe]

8 minutes ago, FULspeed said:

Correct, my mistake, I put the link of my order...

Problem: that vendor is out of stock for that one actually, so the link is in any case wrong.

It has a very similar model now, have a look here:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-SolarStorm-Outdoor-XM-L-T6-X3-LED-4-Mode-Bicycle-Head-Light-Cycling-Front-Lamp/32815251352.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.7fcdfa6fmM7KZc&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10696_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10820_10821_10302_10843_10059_100031_524_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=3e62d457-b46a-4107-8741-b02791313b22-0&algo_pvid=3e62d457-b46a-4107-8741-b02791313b22&priceBeautifyAB=0

I hope the link is the correct now...

 

Thank you. That link works. This light seems perfect for us!

[FULspeed]

1 hour ago, joku said:

Can you show how bright it is?

Not in this moment, sorry, but the vendor has some pictures showing the brightness.

(just reduce it a little, it's good but not so powerful! )

[steve454]

3 hours ago, joku said:

Can you show how bright it is? I was thinking of getting a lumecube, but now I see this.

If you click the link in @FULspeed's post above, and scroll most of the way down, there are several photos showing how bright it is, and how far it shines.  Very bright.  And inexpensive too.  

Oops, I didn't see the last post by @FULspeed, he already answered your question.  

Edited July 2, 2018 by steve454

[Xoltri]

Alright, I've hit 100km on the MSuperX 1600wh so here are my random thoughts so far.  tl;dr - Overall the wheel is amazing, so much speed and power, big cushy tire. 

I spent the weekend riding on a mix of gravel and pavement, with some decent hills and it performed flawlessly.  I have both alarms disabled and the tiltback set to 36km/h.  The tiltback is smooth and perfect, it starts to kick in at 36 and then maxes out at about 40.  I can't stand the beeping, and you can't hear it at speed well anyway, so I'm glad the tiltback on this wheel is comparable to my KS16.  I may bump it up to 40km/h but I don't plan on going faster than that on any EUC.

One thing I worried about going from a 16 - 18 inch wheel was the maneuverability.  I have to say though that low speed maneuvering is the same or better than my KS16.  The greatest improvement is how much higher the pedals are on this wheel, it really makes a big difference when making sharp turns.  The pedals themselves are much more comfortable than my KS16.  It's a good design with sticky rubber and grip tape.  It does feel like it takes longer to come to a stop, although I haven't compared directly.  Also I'm going faster than my KS16 which topped out at 30km/h so that has an effect also.  

At speed you do have to drive the wheel differently, more using your weight to turn, but I'm getting used to it now.  It's fun to make slalom type turns when cruising at speed. I did have one experience with the wobbles but it hasn't happened since - just have to get used to the new handling.

The handle is solid but it is much different having it at the back of the wheel compared to the middle like the KS16.  I still prefer the KS handle design, it is easier to control.  But I'm getting used to this handle so it shouldn't be a problem.  You just need to lean the wheel to maneuver it with the handle.

The headlight is really bright, however it's too much of a spot for my preference, so I may put a filter on the glass to make it more of a flood pattern.  The LED's are a bit random for my tastes so I have them off.  You can toggle the lights just by short presses of the power button.  

The user manual was terrible, so it took me a bit to figure out how to tell what the battery level was on the wheel.  When the wheel is on but stationary the rear brake light shows I think up to 5 green dots.  Still not totally sure what levels correspond to the number of dots, I believe 3 dots was 50%, 2 dots 30% etc.  I haven't charged the wheel past 80% yet so not sure what it looks like fully charged.

I am happy with the larger tire.  The wheel feels more stable and takes bumps a lot better.  It's just more relaxing riding this than it felt on my KS16.  I have never felt any lapse in power with this wheel yet.  I have previously on my KS16 - not enough to faceplant or anything but enough that it dipped.  

Ergonomically I do wish the top of the wheel was a bit narrower.  It's fine when riding straight but it does press on your calves a bit on turns.  Not a deal breaker though.  I do like how much easier this wheel is to take apart than my KS16.  People complain on here about the internal wiring but honestly I don't believe it makes a difference.  My KS16 has wires all over the place as well, maybe they are slightly more nicely routed but it doesn't affect the performance of the wheel.  One plus with the MSuperX is there is no 10khz whine like there was with the KS16.

 Finally, range.  Today I charged it up to 80% and rode for 30km before the wheel started beeping at me.  It seems that the 3rd alarm (which you can't turn off) was kicking in when the battery level was below 10%. I was still able to ride at 30km/h at this rate and rode until I hit 35km at which point I needed a break.  A range test with a full battery will have to wait for another day.

[Jpd]

12 minutes ago, Xoltri said:

Alright, I've hit 100km on the MSuperX 1600wh so here are my random thoughts so far.  tl;dr - Overall the wheel is amazing, so much speed and power, big cushy tire. 

I spent the weekend riding on a mix of gravel and pavement, with some decent hills and it performed flawlessly.  I have both alarms disabled and the tiltback set to 36km/h.  The tiltback is smooth and perfect, it starts to kick in at 36 and then maxes out at about 40.  I can't stand the beeping, and you can't hear it at speed well anyway, so I'm glad the tiltback on this wheel is comparable to my KS16.  I may bump it up to 40km/h but I don't plan on going faster than that on any EUC.

One thing I worried about going from a 16 - 18 inch wheel was the maneuverability.  I have to say though that low speed maneuvering is the same or better than my KS16.  The greatest improvement is how much higher the pedals are on this wheel, it really makes a big difference when making sharp turns.  The pedals themselves are much more comfortable than my KS16.  It's a good design with sticky rubber and grip tape.  It does feel like it takes longer to come to a stop, although I haven't compared directly.  Also I'm going faster than my KS16 which topped out at 30km/h so that has an effect also.  

At speed you do have to drive the wheel differently, more using your weight to turn, but I'm getting used to it now.  It's fun to make slalom type turns when cruising at speed. I did have one experience with the wobbles but it hasn't happened since - just have to get used to the new handling.

The handle is solid but it is much different having it at the back of the wheel compared to the middle like the KS16.  I still prefer the KS handle design, it is easier to control.  But I'm getting used to this handle so it shouldn't be a problem.  You just need to lean the wheel to maneuver it with the handle.

The headlight is really bright, however it's too much of a spot for my preference, so I may put a filter on the glass to make it more of a flood pattern.  The LED's are a bit random for my tastes so I have them off.  You can toggle the lights just by short presses of the power button.  

The user manual was terrible, so it took me a bit to figure out how to tell what the battery level was on the wheel.  When the wheel is on but stationary the rear brake light shows I think up to 5 green dots.  Still not totally sure what levels correspond to the number of dots, I believe 3 dots was 50%, 2 dots 30% etc.  I haven't charged the wheel past 80% yet so not sure what it looks like fully charged.

I am happy with the larger tire.  The wheel feels more stable and takes bumps a lot better.  It's just more relaxing riding this than it felt on my KS16.  I have never felt any lapse in power with this wheel yet.  I have previously on my KS16 - not enough to faceplant or anything but enough that it dipped.  

Ergonomically I do wish the top of the wheel was a bit narrower.  It's fine when riding straight but it does press on your calves a bit on turns.  Not a deal breaker though.  I do like how much easier this wheel is to take apart than my KS16.  People complain on here about the internal wiring but honestly I don't believe it makes a difference.  My KS16 has wires all over the place as well, maybe they are slightly more nicely routed but it doesn't affect the performance of the wheel.  One plus with the MSuperX is there is no 10khz whine like there was with the KS16.

 Finally, range.  Today I charged it up to 80% and rode for 30km before the wheel started beeping at me.  It seems that the 3rd alarm (which you can't turn off) was kicking in when the battery level was below 10%. I was still able to ride at 30km/h at this rate and rode until I hit 35km at which point I needed a break.  A range test with a full battery will have to wait for another day.

I’ve got around 45 miles on mine now, and I have to say that it is really growing on me. I wasn’t sure at first , but the more I ride it the more I like it. I think the fat tire is where it’s at! So much nicer feeling than any other euc I’ve been on. Something I’ve noticed on mine , is at low speed it makes kind of a roaring or groaning sound , not sure if that’s normal.

I’m starting to understand what @Marty Backe is talking about with the gotways. The feel of the wheel is just different, almost no noise (at speed) great acceleration and an overall smooth feeling. If only gotway had the finish of inmotion ?

[Jpd]

Gotway Nike partnership??????

Edited July 3, 2018 by Jpd

[Lutalo]

On 7/1/2018 at 2:35 PM, US69 said:

In general no fan of „LED Circus ring“ wheels...while thats easy to turn off.

I am actually all for the "LED Circus ring" in general because it makes me more visible to others when riding; especially at night. I wish my current KS18 had the LED lighting. Although I prefer the circus ring over sans side-lighting, in terms of personal taste we are on the same page. I would prefer the ability to subdue the "Christmas light" color effects, and perhaps go with a solid color LED effect just to enhance visibility, but not look like I am leading the Mardi Gras parade ?????. Not sure if the 18L offers a solid color feature for the LEDs.

Edited July 11, 2018 by Lutalo

[Xoltri]

Yeah, I wish too that I could pick a solid color on the LED's.

[EUCGUY]

On 7/3/2018 at 6:40 AM, Jpd said:

Gotway Nike partnership??????

haha. i noticed today also xD

[US69]

On ‎7‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 4:19 PM, Lutalo said:

Not sure if the 18L offers a solid color feature for the LEDs.

You could choose ANY Color you want…..

 

[US69]

On ‎7‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 6:08 AM, Xoltri said:

The user manual was terrible, so it took me a bit to figure out how to tell what the battery level was on the wheel.  When the wheel is on but stationary the rear brake light shows I think up to 5 green dots.  Still not totally sure what levels correspond to the number of dots, I believe 3 dots was 50%, 2 dots 30% etc.  I haven't charged the wheel past 80% yet so not sure what it looks like fully charged.

5 dots...each dots stands for 20%:

5 dots -100%

4 dots 80%

etc etc

0 dots 0%

[Nick McCutcheon]

Can anyone confirm whether or not batch two of the MSX has fixed the 30kph hardwired tiltback issue? I saw in the comments of one of @EUC GUY’s recent videos that he’s encountering a hardwired tiltback at 30kph that’s causing some wobbles, but that this issue was fixed/removed in the second batch of MSX’s. I didn’t feel like this was a big enough question to create its own thread about so I thought I’d post it here.

[Xoltri]

I didn't have problems setting the tiltback.  I first set it to 9kph to get a feel for it, now I have it set at 36kph and it works as expected.

[mrelwood]

3 hours ago, ndmcc said:

Can anyone confirm whether or not batch two of the MSX has fixed the 30kph hardwired tiltback issue?

I can’t feel a separate 30km/h tilt-back on a 2nd batch 84V version. I have tried mine set at 39, 45 and 48. The tilt-back starts slowly 6km/h earlier. The first batch tilt-back was truly severe, 7 degrees already at 20km/h.

I would think the 100V version has a different batch number timescale. 

[Electroman]

EUC GUY might need to contact Gotway about his tilt back problem, being a custom build and all?

For standard 84v MSX it should have been fixed if I understand it correctly and seams to be what those who received theirs are telling us, warranty aside there is even 84v control boards for sale at Ali to fix such a issue but not exactly cheap.