THE VIDEO THREAD!

[Scatcat]

10 hours ago, diegoxxx said:

hello anybody knows and has the same problem i am..the fast wheel tesla my wheel vibrates i have to think the beat i mean the faster the movie effect

I would deflate, reseat, inflate the tyre - maybe with a quick check of the rim to make sure there's no stupid damage or something.

[Scatcat]

5 hours ago, Meng Yang said:

Yup. This kind of thing normally happens when battery level is low. Also, if there's not enough power/torque left at speeds+braking, if the wheel can't get itself out of the hole quick enough, it will shut off. Just like when I drop my X3 down a hole, it shut off because it can't climb out in time. Another time, the X3 dumped me off the back because I was doing max speed into a hard brake with 1-bar battery left - just like in the Tesla video. With a big step, my V8 pedals flex downwards significantly too, but didn't shut off. For Tesla to shut off like this, besides being a problematic wheel, it could be a combination of factors - speed+braking+hole+bodyposition+battery.

Yeah, you can see that there is a clear line between the road and the bridge where he falls.

The picture is both funny and scary. The wheel couldn't keep up after the hole, and just stopped, the guy OTOH probably stood a bit forward on the pedals and as the wheel stopped you see him standing in the air like some Wile E. Coyote from Looney Tunes who hasn't yet realised he's screwed...

Edited November 17, 2017 by Scatcat

[Meng Yang]

Friend of the Tesla victim seems to vaguely recall the wheel having 80+% battery at the moment of the crash. If so, then its really strange. Should have the power to overcome that small road undulation. Something may be wrong with his unit. Anyway, wheel was still ride-able after the crash.

[Meng Yang]

More photos on the accident site where the Taiwan Tesla rider fell.

Personally, I think its a faulty unit rather than him being too fast or road conditions being appalling. Tesla at 80% battery should not cutout for such a small bump at moderate speed.

If I were him, I'd try to claim Warranty for a replacement unit.

What are you views on this?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GotWay/permalink/1621618561229793/?comment_id=1622089671182682&reply_comment_id=1623027251088924&notif_id=1510916311504072&notif_t=group_comment_reply

 

[Meng Yang]

Must compliment the rider for being Super Ultra COOL! Body slam on the ground yet still holding onto his precious smartphone ... like some badass anime/superhero characters! 

[dmethvin]

In the slo-mo it looked like the Tesla got confused about which way was up, it wasn't a typical overlean where the wheel just moves forward limply. The pedals tilted forward to a 45 degree angle when it hit the bump and stayed there until the rider lost control. That would seem to indicate it was some sort of gyro failure.

My Firewheel has a behavior that's similar but not as extreme. When I'm going over rough terrain, even at low speeds, the bumpiness seems to make the gyro tilt forwards a bit. Even if I'm leaning backwards a bit, it wants to lean forwards on bumpy terrain.

[outcast00096]

Appreciate you posting more information about this crash @Meng Yang. It seems more and more like it was a faulty EUC every time someone puts out more information about the crash. 

[meepmeepmayer]

Didn't watch the video (not in the mood for this now), but that has to be a faulty unit. This "bump" is nothing!

[WARPed1701D]

3 hours ago, dmethvin said:

In the slo-mo it looked like the Tesla got confused about which way was up, it wasn't a typical overlean where the wheel just moves forward limply. The pedals tilted forward to a 45 degree angle when it hit the bump and stayed there until the rider lost control. That would seem to indicate it was some sort of gyro failure.

It certainly did seem to continue driving forward for a short distance, almost with the front casing on the ground. Then it seemed to either shutdown due to a detected error state or in an effort to maintain that forward lean it had to accelerate harshly either to max speed and cutout or until it caught up with the ejected rider, ran him over, and tumbled causing shutdown. Either way this crash sucks and had me highly reflective.

If this is the result of bad firmware processing again it is very bad news for Gotway's rep as the Tesla needs to be their shining star to prove they can build a safe wheel to the rest of us who are not prepared to drink the Gotway Koolaid.

If it is hardware failure (I heard the wheel was ridable so unlikely) then again this is a big QC setback for Gotway especially given some of the disappointing assembly discoveries this own forums members have made when looking in their own new wheels.

If neither of the above caused the crash then it is result of the guy being allowed to operate the wheel out of its safe operation envelope because the bump was nothing, the guy is a featherweight rider and it was not cold (people in shorts).

If the battery were so low as to allow this to happen then Gotway (in this instance but my comment is to all manufactures) must introduce stringent non-overridable battery based speed limiting that actually works. Maybe Kingsong was on to something with the heavy handed battery induced speed limiting on their old firmware. If the guy were riding so fast that the motor had insufficient torque to drag his skinny arse over that very minor surface imperfection then again max speed must be limited by non-overridable tiltback while there is still plenty of power in reserve.These limits needs to be set considering realistic rider weights and imperfect riding conditions.

These devices are not the 12mph toys they were 3 or 4 years ago. They go insanely fast for a one wheeled device. It is just a matter of time before someone dies because of crap QC, crap components, or insufficient limiting of abilities. Manufacturers need a change of mindset and to step up and do what is needed to reduce failure rates and increase safety margins. If that means a safe 50kph wheel needs a 4kW motor and 8, 10, even 12 parallel battery packs, weighs 100lb and is priced at $4k then so be it.

I know there are those who will shout that a speed limit impinges on their freedoms but come on, this is downright dangerous now. Accept some limits now or massive overregulation later after some poor bastard has died and a lawmaker pays attention.

<soapbox goes away>

Edited November 18, 2017 by WARPed1701D

[Meng Yang]

EUC riding at speeds is inherently dangerous. Besides standard safety gears to protect against possible human errors, environmental hazards, EUC defects etc., insurance coverage adds a vital additional layer of protection (for self & third-party). I personally subscribed to one. Its cheap and provides peace of mind.

[WARPed1701D]

43 minutes ago, Meng Yang said:

EUC riding at speeds is inherently dangerous. Besides standard safety gears to protect against possible human errors, environmental hazards, EUC defects etc., insurance coverage adds a vital additional layer of protection (for self & third-party). I personally subscribed to one. Its cheap and provides peace of mind.

I wonder if they would pay out of you were riding an illegal transportation device at the time you or the other person was injured.

And yes, EUCs are inherently dangerous but I feel manufactures are taking liberties and shortcuts to rush release dates, bring down cost, and/or to claim the fastest/largest range throne. These decisions contribute to making EUCs more dangerous than they should or need to be.

[Meng Yang]

13 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said:

I wonder if they would pay out of you were riding an illegal transportation device at the time you or the other person was injured.

Good point. As such, only law-abiding riders need apply for personal mobility insurance.

[Bob Eisenman]

I was at Salisbury Beach, MA on a ride North to Hampton Beach, NH

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From the south was the sound of helicopters.

Pardon the use of 'vertical video'.

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[Marty Backe]

3 hours ago, WARPed1701D said:

It certainly did seem to continue driving forward for a short distance, almost with the front casing on the ground. Then it seemed to either shutdown due to a detected error state or in an effort to maintain that forward lean it had to accelerate harshly either to max speed and cutout or until it caught up with the ejected rider, ran him over, and tumbled causing shutdown. Either way this crash sucks and had me highly reflective.

If this is the result of bad firmware processing again it is very bad news for Gotway's rep as the Tesla needs to be their shining star to prove they can build a safe wheel to the rest of us who are not prepared to drink the Gotway Koolaid.

If it is hardware failure (I heard the wheel was ridable so unlikely) then again this is a big QC setback for Gotway especially given some of the disappointing assembly discoveries this own forums members have made when looking in their own new wheels.

If neither of the above caused the crash then it is result of the guy being allowed to operate the wheel out of its safe operation envelope because the bump was nothing, the guy is a featherweight rider and it was not cold (people in shorts).

If the battery were so low as to allow this to happen then Gotway (in this instance but my comment is to all manufactures) must introduce stringent non-overridable battery based speed limiting that actually works. Maybe Kingsong was on to something with the heavy handed battery induced speed limiting on their old firmware. If the guy were riding so fast that the motor had insufficient torque to drag his skinny arse over that very minor surface imperfection then again max speed must be limited by non-overridable tiltback while there is still plenty of power in reserve.These limits needs to be set considering realistic rider weights and imperfect riding conditions.

These devices are not the 12mph toys they were 3 or 4 years ago. They go insanely fast for a one wheeled device. It is just a matter of time before someone dies because of crap QC, crap components, or insufficient limiting of abilities. Manufacturers need a change of mindset and to step up and do what is needed to reduce failure rates and increase safety margins. If that means a safe 50kph wheel needs a 4kW motor and 8, 10, even 12 parallel battery packs, weighs 100lb and is priced at $4k then so be it.

I know there are those who will shout that a speed limit impinges on their freedoms but come on, this is downright dangerous now. Accept some limits now or massive overregulation later after some poor bastard has died and a lawmaker pays attention.

<soapbox goes away>

So far all the swirl has been about ONE incident. When Gotway had the firmware issue mid-year, there were many reports of failures, because it was firmware.

Until I hear about more instances I'm going to consider this incident a one-off with extremely limited first hand experience (where has the rider actually discussed what happened?).

70-miles of solid riding by me is showing this to be a solid wheel, even when the battery is at 15%

[radial]

Sure, but Gotway has earned a reputation for suboptimal engineering and inconsistent execution.  I hope the Tesla is their tipping point in the other direction, but people are naturally going to be extra critical given the history.  If the Tesla is the great wheel we are all hoping for, we'll know soon enough.  

[novazeus]

for sale three eucs never used or trade for this thing

 

[LanghamP]

2 minutes ago, novazeus said:

for sale three eucs never used or trade for this thing

 

Oh for God's Sake's just take 1/20th of the time you spend typing on this forum and put that into stepping on an EUC. Even just standing on an EUC leaning against a wall helps a lot.

[novazeus]

it’s dark out but my road is looking good. a little cramped living in a cargo container. 

i’m serious, i want that thing, maybe the drone version. 

no hurry on the wheels. i like torturing u.

Edited November 18, 2017 by novazeus

[steve454]

Excellent safety video.  Singapore looks nice.  Monster too big, though and limited in speed and battery.

 

[Meng Yang]

Great video!

Interesting, well-made and funny.

I commute in this "traffic" all the time. No fun. My V8's the wheel for this job. Much more convenient than my Tesla. I reserve the Tesla for open road/path sprints/cruises.

[steve454]

1 hour ago, novazeus said:

for sale three eucs never used

I offer 700 dollars for the Kingsong.  Sorry, that's a running joke here.  

If that flying thing is for real, it's awesome.  And the pilot is crazy.

[Marty Backe]

On 11/15/2017 at 8:49 AM, YoshiSkySun said:

CicLAvia is an amazing recurring event that's suitable for everyone. It is soulful and collaborative, fostering community spirit, joy and festive exercise under the nurturing sunshine. Adults, kids, puppies, bikers, skaters, runners, hikers, meeting old friends, strangers becoming friends, music, lakes, bridges, tunnels, food and lots of it, discovering new mom and pop shops. CicLAvia was awesome, I loved it!

Great video Yoshi. I really hope to join you next time. What happened to @Stan Onymous? He was there briefly at the beginning and end, but mostly not there. He must have been off doing his own thing?

[Rehab1]

3 hours ago, novazeus said:

for sale three eucs never used or trade for this thing

 

Unfortunately trading 3 wheels for Zapata’s gear would not cut it but you might try this cheaper approach.

 

[EUCGUY]