Waulnut Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, xiiijojjo said: Any price speculation? I'm thinking somewhere between Nikola and RS price I agree on the price. It has to be between $2k and $2250 imo. If even just for the larger battery size. 1 hour ago, xiiijojjo said: I'd also love for Gotway to make quality products and wish for an endless supply of money to fuel my hedonism but we all have to settle at some point... If I end up with a v12, assuming there shouldn't be big issues since it is standard bearings and not hollowcore, I hope it would be my last for a few years... But that hasn't happened yet.. Stimulus check has been a big help fortunately 😅😅 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGeorgeGo Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Waulnut said: I agree on the price. It has to be between $2k and $2250 imo. If even just for the larger battery size. If I end up with a v12, assuming there shouldn't be big issues since it is standard bearings and not hollowcore, I hope it would be my last for a few years... But that hasn't happened yet.. Stimulus check has been a big help fortunately 😅😅 I can't imagine it would be cheaper than the Nikola and the RS. Its such a higher quality product with the same specs. The RS is 2150 and the Nikola is 2200, 2300-2400$ for all the extra quality and add ons i think has to be the range, i would be disappointed to see it come in at $2500+ Think of it this way, if you could get a nikola+ with waterproof batteries for an extra 100-200$ would you do it? I know i would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) IMO it should be cheaper than the V11. No suspension, and no substantial extra parts in terms of production cost (unless that screen is really high-end). 2000 (€ with tax or USD without tax) and it will sell like hotcakes. I believe the V11 has been pretty successful, I think also because its price is better than it could have been. What I also like about this thought (reasonable price and competitive speed+battery) is that it would mean Gotway would have to reduce their crazy prices a bit. 3000 for a 2700Wh wheel (EX.N) and 3500 for the EX and MPro, with their typical build quality, isn't going to cut it in such a market. I wonder what KS is doing... they might show something soon. They did show the S18 in reaction to the V11. Exciting times! Edited March 16, 2021 by meepmeepmayer 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scottie888 Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 hours ago, xiiijojjo said: I realize i sometimes come off as a Gotway super fan but i actually hate them and wish for their imminent financial ruin. I don't mind waiting 1-2 years for Inmotion or others to catch up to Gotway/veteran stats as long as Gotway is burned down in a fire of their own making! And when that day eventually comes i just hope Veteran doesn't also hire the Gotway goop gun guy. For the sake of all of us he must be present during the fire. I totally understand your angst, anxiety & frustrations with GW/BG esp after their recent numerous debacles & seeming lack of CS. And I'm even not talking fires. The hollow bearing issues are enough to drive me insane if I was an early adopter. Nevertheless, I'm reminded of this thought to be careful of what we wish for. Without GW, would we have 100v wheels? Would we be riding >30mph? Would we have Veteran Sherman? Heck would we even have so many new models & innovations in the sport? Personally I wish GW/BG to be better. I wish they would strive to build better products with good fit & finish without the internals of something my 12yr old nephew would slap together. I wish them to keep pushing the envelope of performance so we, the consumer have choices as they have with motorcycles (& much everything else). I wish GW/BG to wake up & smell the coffee to take a look at the landscape that's changed since they produced their 1st wheel. I hope they wise up & adapt to the needs of us, their loyal customers. I know its possible if GW/BG really wants it as its primarily of a mindset. What I do not want is for GW/BG to go out of business. That would leave one less mfgr, one less reason for the remaining to innovate & perhaps many reasons to not bring competitively priced products to us. Regardless of how I personally feel about this new V12, I sincerely hope it succeeds as planned as then, its going to be another match lit to remind the rest to not rest on their laurels. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasku Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 So about the teaser video on V12.. (posted by EvX and Inmotion) What do you think about the acceleration sound in the video, is it special effect or does the wheel really sound alien like that? Would that sound be optional effect that you can select from app? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, GoGeorgeGo said: The nikola case is fully submersible? I wasnt even aware it had an ip rating. My buddys nikola has shrink wrapped batterys attached to the shell with double sided tape and the control board looks sloppy compared to the v11. I really hope they are not forcing tiltback as the means of adjusting the light angle, that would be a sloppy implementation imo. My guess was seeing the 3 lights and what appears to be a sensor, that at higher speeds the top light would come on as a "high beam" to help illuminate the path. But im just guessing i have not got my hands on the wheel. I would also guess the sensor could probably detect headlighta as well and turn off the high beam when oncoming traffic is detected. (Guesses) Cant wait to see some videos of this bad boy in action and get the real scoop on the nitty gritty No wheel is fully submersible but you can happily ride through puddles or rain without caring on the Nikola 100v. I know those pesky Russians have a video of a wheel coming out of water but would you buy that wheel afterwards? besides, that particular wheel was heavily modified. All wheels have shrink wrapped batteries, it's done for protection (dust, water, vibration). Often manufacturers will apply some tape to stop the batteries from shaking in their compartment. Your initial statement implied that that's how the batteries were supported within the (wheel) case on the Nik. I was suggesting that a change in angle of a degree "could" easily give you high and low beam on any wheel. That's not how it's done on any current wheel. I didn't say that's how it's done on either the Nik or the V12. I was simply pointing out this wasn't the first wheel to have adjustable lighting as you stated. The ip rating given to all wheels is an estimated ip rating given by the manufacturer to themselves. It's more a statement of intent than a true fact. It's nice that they give themselves a good ip rating but I'd be more interested in the waterproofness of the whole wheel than one component within it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGeorgeGo Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said: No wheel is fully submersible but you can happily ride through puddles or rain without caring on the Nikola 100v. I know those pesky Russians have a video of a wheel coming out of water but would you buy that wheel afterwards? besides, that particular wheel was heavily modified. All wheels have shrink wrapped batteries, it's done for protection (dust, water, vibration). Often manufacturers will apply some tape to stop the batteries from shaking in their compartment. Your initial statement implied that that's how the batteries were supported within the (wheel) case on the Nik. I was suggesting that a change in angle of a degree "could" easily give you high and low beam on any wheel. That's not how it's done on any current wheel. I didn't say that's how it's done on either the Nik or the V12. I was simply pointing out this wasn't the first wheel to have adjustable lighting as you stated. The ip rating given to all wheels is an estimated ip rating given by the manufacturer to themselves. It's more a statement of intent than a true fact. It's nice that they give themselves a good ip rating but I'd be more interested in the waterproofness of the whole wheel than one component within it. I cant wait to see someone test the batteries lol ipx7 is defined as submersible in 3 feet of water for 30 seconds. Who is the brave soul that will plug those bad boys in and fire up a wheel lol . They are the most expensive component by far though so those being waterproof is the most important imo not to mention on a safety standpoint, a water short could easily start a fire if it occurs in the battery. A dunk in the water will fry the control board still but the motor and battery should be fine, which dramatically reduces repair costs in such an incident. The nikola has like a little squared off compartment for the batteries but the batteries themselves are not encased. Like with the v11 the batteries are in a case inside of the case and attached to the frame with screws. The nikola are taped to the inside of the battery compartment, i just personally like the fit and finish of the v11 batteries way more and it sounds like the v12 batteries have even taken it to the next level 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waulnut Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Anything but having a lower control board next to the battery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just place the board in a waterproof box that also acts as a nice heatsink. Then you can put it wherever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimjam.nyc Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 My real question is... is mickey riding this thing around NYC to test it out.. and if so, how has it not been spotted in the wild yet? . 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I like the v12 I also like the 16" wheel my 16x is one pig my best wheels for everything so given that the v12 will have the torque and range especially with the new 2500w motor it should cover everything but with added top speed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Asphalt Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 Did anyone else notice that the V12 has gone through a bunch of certifications? CE, FCC, ETL I'd assume Ninebot did this as well, but has any other EUC manufacturer certified their wheels to this extent? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasku Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Asphalt said: Did anyone else notice that the V12 has gone through a bunch of certifications? CE, FCC, ETL I'd assume Ninebot did this as well, but has any other EUC manufacturer certified their wheels to this extent? Maybe they also intend to lobby like ninebot did, making their devices the new standard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellac Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Pro tip to inmotion, do your FCC certification stuff after you’ve already done the product reveal to avoid scooping your own product and better control the narrative around it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasku Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, shellac said: Pro tip to inmotion, do your FCC certification stuff after you’ve already done the product reveal to avoid scooping your own product and better control the narrative around it. DJI revealed one of it's new product on that same listing too. Internet gone way more wild about it. The FCC test is about the 40 channels of bluetooth communication in shielded room. So far I feel I got speculation and rumours, not the whole picture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekafuch Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, shellac said: Pro tip to inmotion, do your FCC certification stuff after you’ve already done the product reveal to avoid scooping your own product and better control the narrative around it. There’s a line up of consultants throwing their cards at companies like InMotion. They know exactly what they are doing. incubating young groups of engineers with startup mentalities, pitting them to become more in tune with global ways of doing business. I even think large investors who influence consumer electronics sectors can indirectly cause all the EUC companies to comply with what’s beneficial to the industry at large. Mfg Facilities, distribution, suppliers are a known quantity for the people in the actual business day to day. Largest bidder , usually the market leader will come away w the latest tech. Tech license holders also won’t be fooled knowing how fast things can change and how one new team can come up w new game changing ideas fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Asphalt said: Did anyone else notice that the V12 has gone through a bunch of certifications? CE, FCC, ETL I'd assume Ninebot did this as well, but has any other EUC manufacturer certified their wheels to this extent? Does this mean they actually took the wheel to be officially tested or does it mean that Inmotion believes it should pass but hasn't actually tested the product (like most manufacturers do with their IP rating). I can't say that it bothers me too much either way but it would be interesting to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasku Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, jimjam.nyc said: My real question is... is mickey riding this thing around NYC to test it out.. and if so, how has it not been spotted in the wild yet? . I bet he went to test it out at Florida! There he would be just another Florida-man and nobody none the wiser. EvX keeps the chatter up and is positive image to our hobby. Last podcast he said something along the lines that he is interested to improve the scene as hobbyist and has safety in mind. I think we need that positive image and public opinion to our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kekafuch Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tasku said: I think we need that positive image and public opinion to our side. I totally agree. EUC is still a small group of people but operating in a public space of major cities so become visible to many in public and online. i feel group rides raining down on the public is not a good image. Especially if taking up multiple lanes of traffic. The community needs to decide how to manage this image. Positive front, wouldn’t it be something if EUC riders decided on a day to go and pick up garbage along bike paths? I think that could be a very positive action. The image of law enforcement ticketing a group who cleans the streets? We need to have a big win with public image or its too easy to get regulated. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: For what? It has a fan already (presumably). Or do you mean for the battery? In that case: f**k no!! We don't need unnecessarily complicated stufff. Passive cooling would be ideal, no fan noise. For the board MOSFET cooling. Maybe many on these forums don't ride their wheels as long, fast and hard, but cooling is absolutely the #1 problem for higher speed 100V wheels IMHO, and the existing fan solution is super inadequate, most just blow hot air around enclosed in a box, especially if the transmission from FETs to heatsink structure is sub-optimal via thermal pads (instead of thermal paste + mica pads), and the heatsink itself is inadequately sized for proper heat escape absorption/distribution as well. I've seen way too many wear-over-time 100V issues, MOSFET smoking up, etc. The below timestamp shows the Tesla Model S controller, with humongous heatsink frame and liquid cooling goo falling out of it: Edited March 16, 2021 by houseofjob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Put this all in perspective--in 2021 InMotion is making a 100v wheel that is speed competitive w/ the 100v MSX/MSP/RS/Nik+ etc. That's fast enough not just for the 90% or 95%, but for the 99.[SomeOtherDigitsHere]%. And they're innovating on waterproofing at a time when Begode's reputation regarding assembly/QA and fires and general safety is in a death-spiral/really at an all-time low. Between Veteran capturing the absolute-highest-end super-vocal super-minority, and InMotion beginning to encroach on the mainstream 100v side, Begode continues to be squeezed out/I just don't see how they will continue to compete much longer. (Certainly not by focusing on $3700, 90+ pound behemoths that have reviewed poorly.) Edited March 17, 2021 by AtlasP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjam.nyc Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, AtlasP said: Put this in perspective--in 2021 InMotion is making a 100v wheel that is speed competitive w/ the 100v MSX/MSP/RS/Nik+ etc. That's fast enough not just for the 90% or the 95%, but for the 99%. And the interior photos look gorgeous in a time when Begode has gotten so bad that eWheels is stopping selling wheels with Begode's own battery packs anymore and has to make their own battery packs to sell inside Begode wheels. With the V8F/V10F series alone InMotion already owned over 60% of the market. Then with the introduction of the V11 that number had to be even higher. And now they target the only market segment of any notable size still remaining to them. Between Veteran capturing the highest-end minority, and InMotion encroaching on the mainstream 100v side, and on top of Begode's precipitous fall in general public perception, Begode continues to be squeezed out of existence/I just don't see how they will continue to compete. I know its a small segment of people.. but what about those who want 20, 22 and 24 inch wheels.. there are some out there who swear by the monsters and exn type wheels? This is also assuming the V12 takes off.. Which i have a feeling it will be pretty popular.. I know i am itching to get a pre-order in.. I am also wondering what KingSong has brewing in their camp.. I wonder if they will counter this wheel with something.. Or possibly try to take a slice of that bigger wheel segment of people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, AtlasP said: Put this in perspective--in 2021 InMotion is making a 100v wheel that is speed competitive w/ the 100v MSX/MSP/RS/Nik+ etc. That's fast enough not just for the 90% or the 95%, but for the 99.[SomeOtherDigitsHere]%. And they're innovating on waterproofing at a time when Begode's reputation regarding waterproofing and safety is at an all-time low. With the V8F/V10F series alone InMotion already owned over 60% of the market. Then with the introduction of the V11 that number had to be even higher. And now they target the only market segment of any notable size still remaining to them while the only player in that space is already in a death spiral. Between Veteran capturing the highest-end minority, and InMotion encroaching on the mainstream 100v side, Begode continues to be squeezed out of existence/I just don't see how they will continue to compete. Well I think it might be wise to wait with a verdict of the wheel until it's actually out and tested by the masses, I think people riding Begode/GW wheels will continue to do so and this wheel is not going to sway them. But it is nice to see Inmotion moving into 100v territory. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) On 3/16/2021 at 3:03 PM, jimjam.nyc said: I know its a small segment of people.. but what about those who want 20, 22 and 24 inch wheels.. there are some out there who swear by the monsters and exn type wheels? Is there a market for those things?--Sure/absolutely. But is it big enough to sustain them if they continue losing market share for their highest-selling products (which undoubtedly were the MSP/Nik+, and sure-as-hell not the Monster nor $3700 wheels)? I believe the most apt analogy is "Weekend at Burnie's"... Edited March 21, 2021 by AtlasP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, houseofjob said: For the board MOSFET cooling. Agreed. A water cooled system similar to PC's would be a start (a small radiator too wouldnt be difficult), let alone Tesla levels of coolant engineering. A wheel should have sufficient heat managment so that it can be run flat out until the batts die or cant give enough current (overheat hill). A bit like every other vehicle in production. If something burns out from something a rider can do in a single full charge then it aint been engineered properly. I would wager even something extreme like a Bugatti Veyron could be held flat out for a full tank without breaking or overheating anything. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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