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[abinder3]

On 9/28/2017 at 8:04 AM, Marty Backe said:

I took the Mten3 to the beach yesterday for a mid afternoon ride. I visited the Santa Monica Pier and Venice Beach, both landmarks in Southern California. For some reason I thought of @Hunka Hunka Burning Love at 5:20 and circled around for a closer look   Venice Beach always serves up something offbeat 

 

Your blatant disregard to use common sense when riding very well may get the use of EUCs banned at the beach some day. 

Why do you insist on riding where it specifically states “walk your bike” ?  (You even circled around by 2 places on the walk that stated “walk your bike”.)

I’m sure your response will be something like you said before; “if it doesn’t say no riding EUCs, then I’m going to ride there”.  It doesn’t say there you can’t drive your truck on the ‘walk’  there, so does that mean that it’s okay to drive your truck there ?

Use common sense when riding. Don’t ride EUCs where it says not to ride bikes. 

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, abinder3 said:

Your blatant disregard to use common sense when riding very well may get the use of EUCs banned at the beach some day. 

Why do you insist on riding where it specifically states “walk your bike” ?  (You even circled around by 2 places on the walk that stated “walk your bike”.)

I’m sure your response will be something like you said before; “if it doesn’t say no riding EUCs, then I’m going to ride there”.  It doesn’t say there you can’t drive your truck on the ‘walk’  there, so does that mean that it’s okay to drive your truck there ?

Use common sense when riding. Don’t ride EUCs where it says not to ride bikes. 

Apparently you are the only one who cares.

I'm not riding a bicycle which obviously takes up a lot more space and would be dangerous to ride among crowds. The EUC takes the same space as a person and is very safe at the speeds that I ride when around people. If you've ever ridden your EUC within a crowd you would know how safe it is relative to riding a bicycle within a crowd. I was thinking of driving my truck there, but I'm glad you reminded me not to.

The government creates enough laws that I have to obey. I'm not going to start obeying laws that don't exist.

If I ever see a sign that says No EUC's, then I'll obey it. Until then you and your bureaucratic buddies can get off my back.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Marty Backe

[Keith]

24 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

If I ever see a sign that says No EUC's,

Actually, I would be overjoyed if the authorities would say an electric unicycle is a cycle - end of story. I would be more than happy to not use my EUC anywhere a bike isn't allowed (and use it everywhere  a bike is) but that ain't gonna happen where I live. 

meanwhile, like @Marty Backe I would take the view that a small EUC ridden carefully is a pedestrian augmentation device and belongs where pedestrians , not vehicles, are. 

All, I can say though is thank heavens that group you rode around didn't take offence at you riding on the sidewalk, we would have really missed your fascinating contributions ?!

[Meng Yang]

For me, 

(a) in the past, when I see a "No bicycles" allowed sign, I would obey it and not ride my EUC there as I feel such personal transports are similar. Likewise, I would stay away from the roads as it is against the law.

(b) in the present, I will ignore the "No bicycles" sign. Why? The government isn't doing their job. Yes, the laws are all there, but they are not enforced. Electric scooters are not allowed on the roads, yet everybody else is riding on the roads. Why disadvantage yourself when everybody else is breaking the law (& the authorities are silently condoning it)? Until the day the authorities are serious about their laws, my thinking will be "If you can't beat them, join them!". Anyway, I always ride responsibly when others are around, giving way to others most of the time.

(c) I thought Marty rode in a a safe manner in the video. Also, there were other cyclists there, which again means its acceptable despite having a phony warning sign there.

Well, that's just me.

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

It's pretty clear that Marty is riding very slowly and carefully through the crowd.  There are also plenty of people riding bikes, skateboards, and even a motorcycle in the area.  I didn't see anyone walking their bike, but maybe I missed it.

In any case, with the fine riding skills a well experienced rider has they likely pose little to no danger to the public when riding slowly and under control.  An emergency stop was even demonstrated with no contact made.  I did not see any signs of reckless endangerment in that video.  The only endangerment was to my eyes at one point.  

If the underlying fear is that police or law makers will see Marty rolling around in a forbidden zone and then feel the overwhelming need to crack down on all other EUC riders, it's probably highly doubtful that would happen as it looks like the Mten Martman is riding respectfully while enjoying his ride.  I also doubt that he is intentionally trying to get these devices banned from certain areas.  On the contrary, I think he is doing well to demonstrate that these vehicles can be ridden carefully among pedestrians with little for the public to fear.

If I were to follow the letter of the law, I would not be riding these on the road, sidewalk, or pathways.  I do anyways as I accept the possible punishment, but I will ride as carefully as I can to be a good EUC ambassador.  I don't see Marty hurting anyone or riding in a threatening way.  If he was tearing through the crowd dodging people at 35 kph then sure that would be reckless and giving EUC riders a bad rep, but he wasn't so there's no need to lay down the law I think.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love

[Chriull]

5 hours ago, steve454 said:

They do not sell that crappy solowheel!

Ah - then i got the wrong online shop by googling... But this shop featured the same video on their home page...

... Don't want to watch it again to look for the correct adress ?...

[abinder3]

1 hour ago, Marty Backe said:

If I ever see a sign that says No EUC's, then I'll obey it. Until then you and your bureaucratic buddies can get off my back.

Spoken like the true arrogant fool you are. 

Edited October 1, 2017 by abinder3

[US69]

9 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

Eh.

Rather simplistic and subjective comparisons, plus she's comparing the best KingSong 16 inch wheel to the old ACM. How about comparing the KS16S to the ACM V2s+?

I generally don't like these kind of 'reviews'.

And what else would you exspect from a Kingsong seller?

Also there ares some faults...comparing the -exact- same battery, stating 840wh on Ks, on Gw 820wh(correct would be 828 for both).

makes no difference if its panasonic or sanyo..its the same battery-cell marketed under slightly different names.

Edited October 1, 2017 by KingSong69

[Meng Yang]

Anyway, neither the KS-16S nor ACM are having pedals ~13 cm above ground. KS is only 120 mm while ACM is a mere 110 mm. 

http://www.kingsong.com/upload/file/contents/2017/05/591e4a2179073.pdf

http://www.kebye.com/content/?414.html

[Mono]

4 hours ago, abinder3 said:

Why do you insist on riding where it specifically states “walk your bike” ?  (You even circled around by 2 places on the walk that stated “walk your bike”.)

I’m sure your response will be something like you said before; “if it doesn’t say no riding EUCs, then I’m going to ride there”.  It doesn’t say there you can’t drive your truck on the ‘walk’  there, so does that mean that it’s okay to drive your truck there ?

Use common sense when riding. Don’t ride EUCs where it says not to ride bikes. 

Why shouldn't we be allowed to ride EUCs at walking speed (or little above) where bikes are not allowed? There are many places in the world where bikes are not allowed on sidewalks. Are you saying EUCs shouldn't be allowed on sidewalks either?

Edited October 1, 2017 by Mono

[Rehab1]

1 hour ago, abinder3 said:

Spoken like the true arrogant fool you are. 

This is getting real nasty! You can have your opinion but injecting disparaging comments into your diatribes has no place on this forum! You made your point. Please stop the insults! 

Edited October 1, 2017 by Rehab1

[Scatcat]

5 hours ago, abinder3 said:

Your blatant disregard to use common sense when riding very well may get the use of EUCs banned at the beach some day. 

Why do you insist on riding where it specifically states “walk your bike” ?  (You even circled around by 2 places on the walk that stated “walk your bike”.)

I’m sure your response will be something like you said before; “if it doesn’t say no riding EUCs, then I’m going to ride there”.  It doesn’t say there you can’t drive your truck on the ‘walk’  there, so does that mean that it’s okay to drive your truck there ?

Use common sense when riding. Don’t ride EUCs where it says not to ride bikes. 

I don't know about the US, but here in Sweden EUCs are considered part of the same "gray zone" as Segways. That is, if you're driving at walking/jogging speed, you can ride in the pedestrian zones. Also here, there are usually signs saying "no hoverboards, rollerblades, skateboards allowed" where they're not. That goes for most malls, child playgrounds and so on.

So common sense doesn't necessarily say what you think it does, mileage may vary... 

My idea of common sense in those situations are more like: Don't go too fast, don't take idiotic risks, make sure not to scare or annoy people unneccesarily. Weaving a small EUC through a crowd is something completely different than doing the same on a bike.

[Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"]

7 hours ago, abinder3 said:

Your blatant disregard to use common sense when riding very well may get the use of EUCs banned at the beach some day. 

Why do you insist on riding where it specifically states “walk your bike” ?  (You even circled around by 2 places on the walk that stated “walk your bike”.)

I’m sure your response will be something like you said before; “if it doesn’t say no riding EUCs, then I’m going to ride there”.  It doesn’t say there you can’t drive your truck on the ‘walk’  there, so does that mean that it’s okay to drive your truck there ?

Use common sense when riding. Don’t ride EUCs where it says not to ride bikes. 

Dude, chill out! Quit acting like a butthurt Hillary supporter and get over it.Go grab a brew and turn on the tube and watch some pro athletes disrespect the flag or something.California already has more than enough nanny-state control freaks worried about what others do.We don't need you adding to their numbers.I highly doubt one man riding an EUC circling some "things" in an area labled "walk your bikes" is going to get all EUC riding banned at California beaches.If @Marty Backe chooses to ride in a "walk your bike" area; that's his business.And if he gets cited for it, that's his business too.

[US69]

@Marty Backe @abinder3

when you both have some personal antipathy....carry it out somewhere else or by PM.

If you don’t like what the other is doing or posting...you can „ignore“ each other under personal setting.

Thanx! :-)

[WARPed1701D]

53 minutes ago, Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" said:

Quit acting like a butthurt Hillary supporter and get over it.Go grab a brew and turn on the tube and watch some pro athletes disrespect the flag or something.California already has more than enough nanny-state control freaks worried about what others do.We don't need you adding to their numbers. 

While @abinder3 comment to @Marty Backe was indeed rude and unacceptable in any situation, but especially a public forum, I fail to see how you can in any way lecture him when your own comment insults over 50% of the voting public and the 84% of people who support NFL players right to protest. Polite discussion of differing views are one thing but insults are not cool.

Suggestion to all probably taught to you by your mother: IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING NICE THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

I think I'll give this place a break for a while.

[Stan Onymous]

7 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

Apparently you are the only one who cares.

I'm not riding a bicycle which obviously takes up a lot more space and would be dangerous to ride among crowds. The EUC takes the same space as a person and is very safe at the speeds that I ride when around people. If you've ever ridden your EUC within a crowd you would know how safe it is relative to riding a bicycle within a crowd. I was thinking of driving my truck there, but I'm glad you reminded me not to.

The government creates enough laws that I have to obey. I'm not going to start obeying laws that don't exist.

If I ever see a sign that says No EUC's, then I'll obey it. Until then you and your bureaucratic buddies can get off my back.

I would say to this conflict that the real issue here is the Love of EUC riding and our fears of it being in a grey area and how that will effect our passion. Fighting amongst our community does not solve this, but it does say that we are ready to organize to solve this if we put aside our anxiety and come together.

I have a relation with the bicycle coordinator of the Cal DOT. He has said that our devices in California, despite Marty saying otherwise, are not in a classification and therefore not legally recognized in California. Some say that the default for such situations is to say that they are in the same class as bicycles, but since there is no such classification, it could just as legally be considered illegal in the same instance.

i could use some feedback on this and instead of starting a thread, there already is one about taking on the man, I encourage anyone who has input to PM me. Otherwise I will cherrypick info from the existing threads. I plan on drafting something for the CAL state government using my bicycle coordinator buddy as our advisor. You can be sure that riding a monster with only a straw hat and fatigues as protection will carry a fine if your name is @Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"  , and I am open to other sensible suggestions as well.

Seriously, if anyone has some sensible political strategy I would welcome the help and coordination. Lets get this done so we can disagree respectfully on our brands again instead of our supposed exemplary behavior be it positive or negative.

[CaptainKBLS]

Can I just get more videos around the world?

[litewave]

6 hours ago, abinder3 said:

Spoken like the true arrogant fool you are. 

Honestly, I think you are just jealous. 

I come to this site just to read @Marty Backe's posts and especially to watch his videos, as well as many others. I personally am grateful for all the time, expense, humour, good will, and taste he puts into the experiences he shares. Through his eyes, I get to see Venice Beach and much of California again without spending $2K+ to fly there. I also get trustworthy information about the many wheels he owns or borrows. I have never felt Marty was arrogant, and strongly believe we owe him our appreciation.

So, @Marty Backe, please carry on!

[Snurre]

10 hours ago, abinder3 said:

Why do you insist on riding where it specifically states “walk your bike” ?  

Riding? I thought that was a stroll in size... ehm... ten shoes (albeit white)

Seriously, don't you sometimes get the impression that some rules are there just for the worst of cases: if someone is causing irritation or behaves irresponsibly, it is possible to stifle that behavior by pointing to the rule. I really did not perceive any annoyance from his surroundings by Marty's ride.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Snurre

[Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"]

1 hour ago, WARPed1701D said:

While @abinder3 comment to @Marty Backe was indeed rude and unacceptable in any situation, but especially a public forum, I fail to see how you can in any way lecture him

Actually I'm in a very unique position to lecture him.When I first met him,it was on a group ride at Griffith Park with myself and @Marty Backeand some other locals.He had just bought a KS 18 and was having difficulties mounting the wheel from a dead stop so I followed behind him to help him along on the group ride in the off-roading hilly areas of the park,many of the trails are no bike or motorized vehicle areas,for which he had no problem.Irony! I also know from his facebook feed that he tends to be politically conservative,so my comments were meant to get his attention as to the irony of his comments towards Marty being inconsistant with his facebook worldview and prior actions of riding EUCs in the same areas for which he dissed Marty and were aimed solely at him.

[YoshiSkySun]

3 hours ago, Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" said:

Dude, chill out! Quit acting like a butthurt Hillary supporter and get over it.Go grab a brew and turn on the tube and watch some pro athletes disrespect the flag or something.California already has more than enough nanny-state control freaks worried about what others do.We don't need you adding to their numbers.I highly doubt one man riding an EUC circling some "things" in an area labled "walk your bikes" is going to get all EUC riding banned at California beaches.If @Marty Backe chooses to ride in a "walk your bike" area; that's his business.And if he gets cited for it, that's his business too.

That was so hilarious, Jeff. I practically fell off my chair laughing. I love your sense of humor. You're the man, Jeff!! 

Edited October 1, 2017 by YoshiSkySun

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, litewave said:

Honestly, I think you are just jealous. 

I come to this site just to read @Marty Backe's posts and especially to watch his videos, as well as many others. I personally am grateful for all the time, expense, humour, good will, and taste he puts into the experiences he shares. Through his eyes, I get to see Venice Beach and much of California again without spending $2K+ to fly there. I also get trustworthy information about the many wheels he owns or borrows. I have never felt Marty was arrogant, and strongly believe we owe him our appreciation.

So, @Marty Backe, please carry on!

Thanks! 

[abinder3]

49 minutes ago, Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" said:

Actually I'm in a very unique position to lecture him.When I first met him,it was on a group ride at Griffith Park with myself and @Marty Backeand some other locals.He had just bought a KS 18 and was having difficulties mounting the wheel from a dead stop so I followed behind him to help him along on the group ride in the off-roading hilly areas of the park,many of the trails are no bike or motorized vehicle areas,for which he had no problem.Irony! I also know from his facebook feed that he tends to be politically conservative,so my comments were meant to get his attention as to the irony of his comments towards Marty being inconsistant with his facebook worldview and prior actions of riding EUCs in the same areas for which he dissed Marty and were aimed solely at him.

And those areas you are talking about I only went there because I was new to the EUC ‘scene’ and if I needed help I wanted to be with someone that could help and I appreciate your help.  

However, you will not see me going in ‘those’ areas that you mentioned ever again.

One prime example of Marty’s disregard for common sense was when we were riding at the Griffith Park Observatory once.  We all were told that we could ride of the left of the Observatory to get to the area behind it.  But we were also told not to ride on the right side of the Observatory.  But when Jason was here for a ride, Marty took it upon himself to go ahead and ride to the right of the Obsevatory knowing that he was told not to.  Are you trying to tell me that’s using common sense?

[abinder3]

@litewave

Jealous ?????

Seriously ????

You couldn’t be farther from the truth. 

[Bob Eisenman]

7 hours ago, Mono said:

Why shouldn't we be allowed to ride EUCs at walking speed (or little above)

From my last pedestrian encounter on a two way street within a Mall / parking area on a speedy Ninebot, at a closure. of twenty feet , passing with a three foot margin , a female pedestrian responded with fear and a hands up gesture of surrender.