New Inmotion V10 / V10F

[novazeus]

11 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

 Sweet sound system!   I wish my Tesla had speakers like those.  Nice!  The lights look pretty awesome too.

the speaker volume wasn’t even all the way up!

i like that i can leave the wheel on with it’s headlight, pick it up, and the motor stops but everything else works so it becomes a boom box with spot light. very handy here at the ranch on these really dark nights. that’s a big plus. it’s a very solid wheel.

headlight is great. i wouldn’t go 40kph with it, but 25kph is fine. and trust me, i got a lot of debris i’m looking out for. 

[Marty Backe]

21 minutes ago, novazeus said:

 

i don’t use a trolley handle but if i did, i think inmotion’s is adequate and i like that i can remove it. i’ve never had a problem with ks trolley handle because i don’t use it, but others have had problems with it not locking in the case.

yeah i think it’s a better tire. higher load capacity. 75kg vs 70kg. it just looks and feels meatier. definitely different from ks little tire. 

the pedals being higher has nothing to do with them being slippery and i think that will improve as they break in. the gas they use for the mold release makes them slippery when new. u can always send ur pedals to @Rehab1 before he’s completely healed up. u can’t make ks pedals higher or bigger.

i think the kickstand is for indoor use only.

the quiteness of the wheel at idle just denotes a quality build. who wants a wheel that sounds like a frozen margarita machine at idle. 

see my post on packaging.

oh yeah, the batteries can be fully charged using the supplied charger.

oh yeah, inmotion is gonna have a cover for the v10f.

on the tire, yes, it being the same tire as the 18s, except 16 instead of 18, does make slow turning more deliberate and there is gonna be a learning curve. on my first ride what i was thinking, wow, if 2.5 inch feels like this in 16” what is the z10 gonna feel like?

[Jpd]

5 minutes ago, novazeus said:

it’s a very solid wheel.

headlight is great. i wouldn’t go 40kph with it, but 25kph is fine. and trust me, i got a lot of debris i’m looking out for.

This wheel is definitely high quality, more than I was expecting. I have 3 other wheels and none ride as well as the v10, it feels like it’s planted if that makes any sense. I agree, I don’t think I’ll be going for top speed, at least for awhile. One thing I have noticed is that it seems to take some effort to ride, a lot more than my other wheels. I hope that the app will have some different ride settings. 

[novazeus]

3 minutes ago, Jpd said:

This wheel is definitely high quality, more than I was expecting. I have 3 other wheels and none ride as well as the v10, it feels like it’s planted if that makes any sense. I agree, I don’t think I’ll be going for top speed, at least for awhile. One thing I have noticed is that it seems to take some effort to ride, a lot more than my other wheels. I hope that the app will have some different ride settings. 

yeah the app looks great. it said the pedals were at 0 degrees but in reality low in the front. tmrw i fine tune.

[novazeus]

@Rehab1 since u have urs apart, what is this built in arch support about. my first ride in these van’s sk8 hi, i felt like my left heel was sliding to the outside. 

i discovered this:

there’s a hump as u get closer to the wheel. near the outside edge u can see perfectly flat.

[Marty Backe]

3 minutes ago, novazeus said:

@Rehab1 since u have urs apart, what is this built in arch support about. my first ride in these van’s sk8 hi, i felt like my left heel was sliding to the outside. 

i discovered this:

 

there’s a hump as u get closer to the wheel. near the outside edge u can see perfectly flat.

Return the wheel. It's junk 

[novazeus]

Just now, Marty Backe said:

Return the wheel. It's junk 

i can fix that, but the problem u were having, on my first ride down the road i was thinking about u, i was thinking, marty is right, this will be hard to stay on the pedals on rough rides. my feet, besides being big, are like a chimpazees. i could stand perfectly still and operate these wheels with my feet alone. i’m right handed and left footed. might be the martial arts i did when i was younger. that’s why i checked the pedals with the level. i’m surprised u didn’t feel that hump. i just moved my feet to the outside more. the soles on these skateboarders shoes, are flat, flat, flat. and zero cushy insole. idk how these people think they are great for everyday use. no heel cushion at all. in regular sneakers, u probably can’t detect the hump. yesterday walking Bob with the e+ and those terrible pedals, i was in regular nikes and felt so awkward. i think u can modify the wheel to fit your shoes like @Rehab1 is doing or have shoes that fit the wheel.

[Master Blaster]

11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Return the wheel. It's junk 

<giggle> ?

[novazeus]

if u read jason’s review, i can tell he really must have been really fishing to find fault to balance his rview. he said the charge port flap was difficult to open. i don’t see that at all. compared to the cheap plastic cover that kingsong uses. mine on my 18s is usually flapping in the breeze because it doesn’t want to stay in place. 

[novazeus]

17 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Return the wheel. It's junk 

i’d like to return my 16s. @Flora Yuan didn’t offer any help. they built the wheel but because i bought it on aliexpress, that must be the problem. 

i predict they have a hard time moving forward.

[Scatcat]

1 hour ago, novazeus said:

 

i don’t use a trolley handle but if i did, i think inmotion’s is adequate and i like that i can remove it. i’ve never had a problem with ks trolley handle because i don’t use it, but others have had problems with it not locking in the case.

yeah i think it’s a better tire. higher load capacity. 75kg vs 70kg. it just looks and feels meatier. definitely different from ks little tire. 

the pedals being higher has nothing to do with them being slippery and i think that will improve as they break in. the gas they use for the mold release makes them slippery when new. u can always send ur pedals to @Rehab1 before he’s completely healed up. u can’t make ks pedals higher or bigger.

i think the kickstand is for indoor use only.

the quiteness of the wheel at idle just denotes a quality build. who wants a wheel that sounds like a frozen margarita machine at idle. 

see my post on packaging.

oh yeah, the batteries can be fully charged using the supplied charger.

oh yeah, inmotion is gonna have a cover for the v10f.

on the tire, yes, it being the same tire as the 18s, except 16 instead of 18, does make slow turning more deliberate and there is gonna be a learning curve. on my first ride what i was thinking, wow, if 2.5 inch feels like this in 16” what is the z10 gonna feel like?

So that is what my GT16 is doing when I'm not riding!
Maybe I should call support, since I never seem to actually get any frozen margaritas out of it?  

[Marty Backe]

17 minutes ago, Scatcat said:

So that is what my GT16 is doing when I'm not riding!
Maybe I should call support, since I never seem to actually get any frozen margaritas out of it?  

Yeah, @novazeus thinks his 16S is making margaritas. I wonder what he would say if he heard the GT16 

I know we all like quiet wheels now, but I do think that the GT16 has an awesome sound to it. It's like it has a bunch of bottled up lightning bolts within it, trying to get out.

[Marty Backe]

50 minutes ago, novazeus said:

i can fix that, but the problem u were having, on my first ride down the road i was thinking about u, i was thinking, marty is right, this will be hard to stay on the pedals on rough rides. my feet, besides being big, are like a chimpazees. i could stand perfectly still and operate these wheels with my feet alone. i’m right handed and left footed. might be the martial arts i did when i was younger. that’s why i checked the pedals with the level. i’m surprised u didn’t feel that hump. i just moved my feet to the outside more. the soles on these skateboarders shoes, are flat, flat, flat. and zero cushy insole. idk how these people think they are great for everyday use. no heel cushion at all. in regular sneakers, u probably can’t detect the hump. yesterday walking Bob with the e+ and those terrible pedals, i was in regular nikes and felt so awkward. i think u can modify the wheel to fit your shoes like @Rehab1 is doing or have shoes that fit the wheel.

I wish I had access to the V10F that I used. I wonder if the pedals were like yours, or maybe you have a bad batch of pedals. And is it the actual pedal (metal parts) or the rubber insert that has the bulge?

[Scatcat]

2 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Yeah, @novazeus thinks his 16S is making margaritas. I wonder what he would say if he heard the GT16 

I know we all like quiet wheels now, but I do think that the GT16 has an awesome sound to it. It's like it has a bunch of bottled up lightning bolts within it, trying to get out.

So that is what it is?! Can I get some electric frozen margaritas out of it then? 

[Scatcat]

But I think that the part of the V10F that I'm most envious of, is the size of the pedals. The GT16 is a very nice EUC, but the pedals are out and out crap (sorry Rockwheel).

They should be slightly longer, but more importantly a bit wider. Also they're in two parts: an aluminium honeycombed frame, and a rubber insert that fits into the honeycomb. The rubber is longer and wider than the frame, so there is overhang. I sometimes get the feeling that I cant really feel the end of the pedal, which while not an actual danger feels a bit scary.

[Esash]

On March 15 I predicted that the V10F would kill the KS16S and be regarded as the best all around wheel for the time being. Probably way too early to tell whether that prediction comes to fruition.

 

 

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The VXF would appear to be a slightly more powerful, slightly faster, slightly fatter tire, slightly bigger battery, slightly more expensive ($150-200 more?) version of the KS16S. 

The KS16S has a legit claim to being the best all around jack-of-all-trades wheel on the market, when you factor in safety and reliability and trusted reputation.

But the KS16S's (highly debatable) claim to best all around wheel gets more dubious as time goes by and all these new wheels come out.

The Tesla appears to have swung and missed at best all around wheel, with durability concerns. The ACM 2 has a real case for best all around wheel, but we'll see how it's repuation for durability plays out over the next few months.

I suspect the Z10 will be remembered as too bulky of a wheel at 4" wide, and more of an off-road specialist wheel.

The KS18L looks great, and is much more compact than the KS18S, but ultimately that big 18" wheel might not have the same inherent fun factor and agility of a 16" wheel.

16" wheel seems to be the sweet spot, and the InMotion VXF has a chance to be remembered as the sweet spot within that sweet spot for 2018-2020.

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2018 by Scouts Honor

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

What?  Yours doesn't make frozen margaritas?    My Tesla has that option.  After a long, hot and sweaty ride, I drop some cubes into "Tessy," and she whips up a frozen concoction for me.    Just like this one...

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Edited May 10, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love

[Marty Backe]

20 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

On March 15 I predicted that the V10F would kill the KS16S and be regarded as the best all around wheel for the time being. Probably way too early to tell whether that prediction comes to fruition.

The V10F certainly offers serious competition for the KS16S. Given those choices I would certainly buy the V10F. But if I don't have a lot of cash to burn, I'll still be giving the KS16S serious consideration considering the cost savings.

It's probably the best intermediate performance wheel, but best all around wheel? No, not in my opinion. In the performance category it doesn't have a chance against the Tesla and ACM2.

[novazeus]

27 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

I wish I had access to the V10F that I used. I wonder if the pedals were like yours, or maybe you have a bad batch of pedals. And is it the actual pedal (metal parts) or the rubber insert that has the bulge?

idk. that’s why i asked @Rehab1 he’s already operating on his pedals. it’s not a big deal to me, but i think the mold release stuff they use to make those silicone footpads and that little bulge in combination with the very flat and thin soles of these specialized skateboarders shoes(if u haven’t tried them, u should, not so much for ur long distance hauls, but when ur screwing around with ur tricks)i could definitely fel my left heel working its way off the pedal.

i’m serious, i didn’t get much of a chance to ride it before dark and even though i can ride these wheels with my feet in all kinds of screwed up positions(i’m just on my dinky little rd) i’m very anal about where the best position is for my feet on each individual wheel. i do it by sight. just like u would expect a golf pro to do. i haven’t figured out where the best foot position is for me. the shorter pedals on the other wheels, pretty much control my foot placement. my balls are at the edge of the front of the pedals and my heel ball is just inside the rear of the pedal. (size 12 or 13 shoe). inmotion’s areso long there’s not much hanging off, front and back. i mean, i have high arches. it’s like they designed it that way. my pictures don’t lie. if u or i were building pedals, u out of wood, me steel probably, we’d make them perfectly flat.right? it will be fun getting to know this wheel. they all have a different personality and i love them all as long as they keep me vertical and moving. 

btw flora messaged me the app update thing. i haven’t tried it. i had a fun busy day today and i didn’t want to chance a bunch of frustration and chatting with her for the third morning in a row and us not getting anywhere. i’m not mad. i told her, communication is everything. if u gotta problem just tell people, they’ll understand, don’t go mia. at least i found out that they are clueless how in the world i can get two of their different products and have the same problem on both. and two different vendors. these were brand new fresh units from their local vendors. 

i don’t think it’s a battery problem as evidenced by me thru some magical connection with the chargedoctor duo, i broke thru and got an 100% charge, i was on the way on the 18s i believe, but the chargers stopped working. so whatever protects the battery is being overprotective. i guess with dual chargers it is overwhelmed. i’m thinking jason’s 5 amp charger might work better. as long as it’s not a symptom of a dangerous situation, i don’t care. if i didn’t have the app to look at actual voltage and just relied on the fuel guage on the wheels, i’d never think about it. i just want safe, not looking for perfect. don’t need range, 14 to 16 mph feels just about right(i’m not wearing much protection, probably next to nothing as it heats up soon) good tracking, quiet, decent brakes and no flats, knock on wood! i hate flats! no slime either. ya, i buy or use to buy gallons of slime with all this ag tires.i was dreading these little bicycle tires. so yeah who cares if it not getting a full charge to balance every 20 or so times to make the battery nerds happy, but if it was a clue to something more sinister, i didn’t want to ignore it, i mean obviously something is wrong. so, they don’t know, fine, at least they responded.

hell, i got doctors that gave up on more important stuff than a couple of volts in that wheel.

[em1barns]

3 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

 really can't see how anyone (except you I guess) would think that the V10F trolley handle is better than the KingSong version.

I , for one?. I have nothing against kingsong trolley, but have seen too many destroyed. And it turns out I also find the v5/V10 one practical as there is no button to engage it.

[em1barns]

10 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I'm curious, what worries you about lack of Bluetooth security? .00001% of the population even knows what an EUC is.

Well, I had 2 examples. First is the riders meeting, you have to know your motherboard number to connect on your euc, not someone's else. Annoying that it does not retain it, plus as anywhere there could be pranks making stupid jokes.

Then in trams I am surrounded by tons of people sticking on their smartphones. It does not make me feel comfortable to have an open Bluetooth connection.

So yeah, risk of occurrence is low, but in 2018 I don't see how hard it would be to propose a password protection.

 

 

 

[novazeus]

i was kidding around about saying i was hoping i would magically gain some of @Hirsute skills by getting a v10f, just like a golfer will buy a club a touring pro uses to make him a better golfer. the definition of a good all around wheel is the safest stable one that makes u a better tider than u know u are. i’m pulling for the v10f to be that wheel for me out here. 

i followed what @Smoother did putting that 2.5 on his 16s and his impressions, u definitely have to grow into that width i think.  it’s different. it makes me think the 9bot 10z might be too much. they sure look neat.hard to imagine. 

right now, the 16” inmotion feels very much like my 18s, but the 18s is more comfortable. i feel like i have to “drive” both of these wheels. remember i said i could probably not move a muscle and just move my toes around inside my shoes, especially on the 14”. like on the big wheels i feel like i have to commit my whole body. a little less with v10f but more than the 16s. the v10f feels just as heavy as the 18s but i think with practice it will “drive” lighter and i’ll like it better. the riding i’m gonna be doing is what i call “technical” or no path. slow and twitchy and unknown. remember, these are just golf carts with one wheel. i’m always pacing myself to the degree of protection i need. protective gear and alcohol is a real bad mixture. i ride like i’m naked, whether i am or not. all the other shit i do out here are probably way more dangerous but u can’t dwell on it.

i’m 64 years old, my son just turned 19 months, he has a lot of energy that has to be burned or he’ll take it out on me, like a lion playing with his food. i’m gonna get Bob trained enough to be my service dog and get completely behaved and comfortable with the wheels, and btw, he really loves them, he wants to run and sniff but i can’t obviously keep up, so we do this little tortoise and the hare race down to the gate. 

worse comes to worse i’ll try to stay  legal using my euc as a mobility assist device.

[Marty Backe]

9 minutes ago, em1barns said:

Well, I had 2 examples. First is the riders meeting, you have to know your motherboard number to connect on your euc, not someone's else. Annoying that it does not retain it, plus as anywhere there could be pranks making stupid jokes.

Then in trams I am surrounded by tons of people sticking on their smartphones. It does not make me feel comfortable to have an open Bluetooth connection.

So yeah, risk of occurrence is low, but in 2018 I don't see how hard it would be to propose a password protection.

I just don't like the idea of having to enter a password every time I connect to my wheel. Soon I'll have to enter a password to use my toilet 

[Marty Backe]

16 minutes ago, em1barns said:

I , for one?. I have nothing against kingsong trolley, but have seen too many destroyed. And it turns out I also find the v5/V10 one practical as there is no button to engage it.

I love the trolley on my KS14S - best trolley I've ever used. It's not destroyed either. Seems to me that any crash that's going to destroy a KingSong trolley handle will obliterate the fully exposed V10 handle.

But I'm glad that the V10 handle is not universally hated 

[eddiemoy]

5 hours ago, soulson said:

Don't let the lack of a fan scare you away.

In fact, the presence of a non-redundant fan would scare me. Fans are a component that can fail, and when fans fail, the failure often cascades. If a product doesn't have any fans, then the engineers who designed it found another way to dissipate waste heat – and whatever they used is probably more reliable than a fan.

Fans in the king song only come on when necessary.  If there is no active cooking, don’t market it as such.  I don’t like it when companies lie.  So far no one has seen any sort of active cooling in the units.