New Inmotion V10 / V10F

[that0n3guy]

3 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

haven't seen this picture of a fan in the tear downs.

Ha, it does show a fan.   Oh well, I'm not to worried about it.   Marty didn't overheat it until the top of a crazy hill, I don't have hills like that near me :).

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, eddiemoy said:

then it won't be ip65 compliant.  cannot have air from outside and not water.

Many Gotway wheels also have the heat-sink exposed to the spinning wheel to facilitate cooling. There's a gasket that prevents water and dirt from entering the wheel.

[eddiemoy]

2 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Many Gotway wheels also have the heat-sink exposed to the spinning wheel to facilitate cooling. There's a gasket that prevents water and dirt from entering the wheel.

they specifically have a fan shown on the marketing material.  

[novazeus]

4 hours ago, eddiemoy said:

1) They are built for different things.  Are you going to say a street bike has better worse tires than a mountain bike?  If they were both built for off road, then yes, fair comparison.

2,4,12) They came out with the App much later than the product.  I call that a fail.  The KS app is bad, but you can use other apps like darkness.  The best app is Ninebot that is why Gotway copied them.

3) 2k vs 1.2k, power doesn't mean it feels better.  maybe there is a reason the KS is limited to only 35kmph.  Maybe it has the same torque, we don't have any idea how the motors are built so the power figure is useless.  The KS16S feels fine, doesn't feel primative at all.  the Ninebot does.

5) don't need or want this feature.  There is a on off switch.  I can do it with one hand.

6) haven't heard it side by side, but ok.

7) haven't had any issues with the thinness of the KS, Gotway on the other hand is unacceptably wide to me, then maybe Gotway is primitive?

8 ) again, think it was built for different things.  the ks16 is fine for what is built for street/city, i don't have a problem with the height

9) never knew what the big deal about bigger peddles.  I have zero issues with the size of the peddle.  I do light grip tape better than silicone.  I, like marty, didn't like the silicone and will rip it out when i get mine.

10) i turn off side lights.  i find them childish.  don't need that.

11) front light might be better, but i like the king song having no front or rear and having two headlights and two taillights that switch automatically.  But you can't run the V10 backwards, it has no headlights when running backwards as far as i know.

you are missing 13

14) you can put the kingsong the same way, i wouldn't call it a kickstand, see picture.  for me i rather just lay it down on its side.

15) if you bought an inmotion from a non authorized dealer, i'm sure you will run into the same issue with support.

16) you bought from non authorized dealer?  not sure how you are comparing this.  you got screwed, i'm sure ewheel's supply is fine.

17) you mention you won't go above 25kmph, so why does this matter?

18) inmotion missing active cooling.  false advertisement.  my king song's are quiet while not running.  but when fan kicks in, i can barely hear it.  it is not as loud as the whine when riding so now you are nit picking.  

19) negligible.

20) trolley handle on inmotion was forced by design.  they couldn't do a central trolley handle the best kind in my opinion in terms of stability.  i rather have the recessed handle in the ks.

21) pads on the KS are great.  better than most.  I cannot believe the tiny pad on the inmotion is better than the ones on the KS.  sorry, i think you are reaching.

The app looks just as bad as the KS app.  I don't know who they got to do the UI, it sucks.  The both suck.  Ninebot is the app to beat with all the bells and whistles even bluetooth security.  This will be an issue eventually when you are riding along and someone shuts off your wheel remotely.  mark my post.  this will be an issue going forward when we get targetted.

I don't think inmotion is killing any other maker especially king song.  

I think you are angry at King Song for not supporting the wheel you bought from an unauthorized dealer.  This whole rant sounds like it to me.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

look, i don’t think the ks16s is a bad wheel. i’m not mad at kingsong. i think the ks16s is a great wheel, @Flora Yuanwas chatting with me trying to help me for three mornings in a row, she says they have the software fix and has instructions for me etc. i’m sure it will be unbricked later today. “primitive” isn’t a negative connotation. Bob is primitive and i love him more than anything else on this planet.

primitive: 

1. relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something.

wait until u get yours. obviously everybody is different and has different tastes. ur right though, it’s not a fair comparison because i guess the ks16s came out last year, like comparing this years apple phone to last years apple phone, maybe both good phones but the newer one is more technologically advanced, lets hope so, going backwards would be stoopid. 

ya, i know i skipped “13”, it’s a superstition.

marty ask me, not u, how i thought the v10f was superior, not inferior to the ks16s. hell, idk if the v10f is gonna win the contest of being my favorite wheel yet. like the 18s, it doesn’t drive the same way as my other wheels. 

my vw touareg makes my jeep look primitive, but i love my jeep and more importantly, Bob loves the jeep, but to a reviewer, the jeep is the worse vehicle ever made. hasn’t hurt it’s popularity because what the reviewer fails to see is the jeep is very good at what it does.

ya, i don’t care about speed but to be objective, in that category, i don’t see how 35kph is better than 40kph, not saying u have to go that fast, it’s just nmbers, like the motor rating.

i think the dealers i bought from were authorized at the time, kingsong has just made a shift in the way they run their company. i don’t think they build black market wheels for chinese vendors and one wheel for jason, same wheels, same pluses and minuses. 

here’s another example since u and marty are hung up on primitive, my jeep wrangler rubicon is a 2015, i think it was $38k, which i think is ridiculous for what u get, but that’s what i wanted. the new jeeps are even more expensive and more refined that make my jeep primitive, guess what, in jeeps, i prefer primitive, but a reviewer isn’t gonna see it that way. 

i like the disconnect on my 9bots and really like it on the v10f because i use it like a floodlight to find my way in the dark on the ranch. 

like i said, marty asked, i replied. my opinion, urs may vary, so what. have a nice day.

Edited May 10, 2018 by novazeus

[novazeus]

i like that the v10f has a led battery thing that shows the state of charge while charging.

[Jeffrey Scott Will]

@Marty Backe, @eddiemoy - the fan is underneath one of the boards. I'll show you when we finish our tear down. They tried many configurations and ending going with the best performing option that kept ambient temps down. 

[novazeus]

even before whatever, i never intended on getting another 18” 2.5” tire wheel, i have one. so no 18l for me, my 18s right now is still my most comfortable wheel, takes effort to drive it but that’s the nature of the beast.

[eddiemoy]

6 minutes ago, novazeus said:

look, i don’t think the ks16s is a bad wheel. i’m not mad at kingsong. i think the ks16s is a great wheel, @Flora Yuanwas chatting with me trying to help me for three mornings in a row, she says they have the software fix and has instructions for me etc. i’m sure it will be unbricked later today. “primitive” isn’t a negative connotation. Bob is primitive and i love him more than anything else on this planet.

primitive: 

1. relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something.

wait until u get yours. obviously everybody is different and has different tastes. ur right though, it’s not a fair comparison because i guess the ks16s came out last year, like comparing this years apple phone to last years apple phone, maybe both good phones but the newer one is more technologically advanced, lets hope so, going backwards would be stoopid. 

ya, i know i skipped “13”, it’s a superstition.

marty ask me, not u, how i thought the v10f was superior, not inferior to the ks16s. hell, idk if the v10f is gonna win the contest of being my favorite wheel yet. like the 18s, it doesn’t drive the same way as my other wheels. 

my vw touareg makes my jeep look primitive, but i love my jeep and more importantly, Bob loves the jeep, but to a reviewer, the jeep is the worse vehicle ever made. hasn’t hurt it’s popularity because what the reviewer fails to see is the jeep is very good at what it does.

ya, i don’t care about speed but to be objective, in that category, i don’t see how 35kph is better than 40kph, not saying u have to go that fast, it’s just nmbers, like the motor rating.

i think the dealers i bought from were authorized at the time, kingsong has just made a shift in the way they run their company. i don’t think they build black market wheels for chinese vendors and one wheel for jason, same wheels, same pluses and minuses. 

here’s another example since u and marty ate hung up on primitive, my jeep wrangler rubicon is a 2015, i think it was $38k, which i think is ridiculous for what u get, but that’s what i wanted. the new jeeps are even more expensive and more refined that make my jeep primitive, guess what, in jeeps, i prefer primitive, but a reviewer isn’t gonna see it that way. 

i like the disconnect on my 9bots and really like it on the v10f because i use it like a floodlight to find my way in the dark on the ranch. 

like i said, marty asked, i replied. my opinion, urs may vary, so what. have a nice day.

There is a negative connotation with the word primitive. You don't normally use it for things we like.  I guess it is a sign of the times, meaning we are supposed to be in an advanced time.  I think we both have different opinions of what primitive is supposed to be.  airwheel x3 would be primitive.  16S is a pretty advanced wheel.

The limited time i had to try the V10F, the only thing i didn't like about it was the pedals.  everything else was meh...

[Marty Backe]

6 minutes ago, novazeus said:

i like that the v10f has a led battery thing that shows the state of charge while charging.

That is nice. BTW, I think KingSong shows the charging status via the ring lights, but you have to turn on the wheel to see it. When plugged-in the KingSong wheels don't balance, but the LEDs show the charging status.

[eddiemoy]

5 minutes ago, novazeus said:

even before whatever, i never intended on getting another 18” 2.5” tire wheel, i have one. so no 18l for me, my 18s right now is still my most comfortable wheel, takes effort to drive it but that’s the nature of the beast.

I love my 18S too and it is usually my goto wheel for longer rides.  I'm still looking for the wheel I use beside the 18S.  I'm hoping to find it in either the V10F, 18L or Z10.  I might end up going KS again.  That's just my feeling.

[Marty Backe]

5 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

I love my 18S too and it is usually my goto wheel for longer rides.  I'm still looking for the wheel I use beside the 18S.  I'm hoping to find it in either the V10F, 18L or Z10.  I might end up going KS again.  That's just my feeling.

You forgot the option of the MSuper X. It has that wide stance that I know you like 

BTW, I'm surprised that you are considering the Z10 considering how bulky it looks.

Edited May 10, 2018 by Marty Backe

[eddiemoy]

9 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

You forgot the option of the MSuper X. It has that wide stance that I know you like 

BTW, I'm surprised that you are considering the Z10 considering how bulky it looks.

Actually it doesn't look that bulky.  It is the smallest 18" wheel out there.  I like the design, I might end up hating it like I hate the msuper, only a test ride will tell.  I don't do enough off road riding to justify it.  That is why I said, I might end up with the 18L.  Or the replacement to the 16S.  the v10f should tie me down for a few months.

I'm actually considering the 14S.  I think it might help with my son's learning or picking this up quicker.

Edited May 10, 2018 by eddiemoy

[novazeus]

like i said in another post, to me the best wheel is the one that gets me from point a to point b upright with the least amount of effort and skill on my part. no bruises, no blisters etc. i can adjust to most stuff. i don’t use the bells and whistles of my 4 wheel vehicles. 

my 2008 screaming eagle 110 cu inch harley road king would be considered primitive but i’d rather hit a diagonal landscapers ramp that fell off their trailer on it as opposed to a fancy bmw bike( not really, i never rode a fancy bmw bike) i know my harley would probably handle it. my ktm superduke r, not so much.

i think it’s very hard for anybody to do reviews on wheels because like every one of mine is unique on how they feel or drive. i don’t have the time to ride each wheel long enough to become second nature. 

when i was building high end custom homes, i’d study the other bulders models and if i saw something they were doing better than me, which was rare if never, i’d copy it. duh!

[Marty Backe]

7 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

Actually it doesn't look that bulky.  It is the smallest 18" wheel out there.  I like the design, I might end up hating it like I hate the msuper, only a test ride will tell.  I don't do enough off road riding to justify it.  That is why I said, I might end up with the 18L.  Or the replacement to the 16S.  the v10f should tie me down for a few months.

I'm actually considering the 14S.  I think it might help with my son's learning or picking this up quicker.

As you may know, I love the KS14S - great wheel to own.

[novazeus]

i want a wheel that’s safe for me and Bob that reads my mind and i’m willing to put in the work to get there.

the optional pads for my little ninebots are really nice. i wish somebody would make stick on pads for the whole wheel out of that foam. i like wheels that don’t bite.

like i said, i’m looking towards the future as i get older. i’d much rather wheel into a store with Bob by my side on a wheel than use some other form of handicap mobility device. that’s my story and i’m sticking to it.

[novazeus]

you gotta remember, i’m in tampa, everything just south of me, is flat, flat, flat. i would have hated trying to learn street motorcycle riding or wheeling or inline skating with hilly terrain. that’s a whole other skillset. i’m glad marty tortures those wheels in ca, mine have life on easy street except for rough terrain off road. 

there’s a reason for electric golf carts down here but move further north, they are all gas, or were, when i was still playing. 

what we need down here is a big air-conditioned dome where u could go play with ur wheels in the summer without getting heatstroke. i’ve been wearing dickies one piece coveralls for protection from road rash while riding the wheels but even my lightest coveralls become a heat trap down here. idk how i’m gonna feel about scooting down my road practically naked. probably slow waay down, like s1 slow.

[novazeus]

a little off topic but i am weird, this makes me happy if the forecasters are correct. i can never get enough rain. i pray for hurricanes.

 

Edited May 10, 2018 by novazeus

[novazeus]

these might not be the best shoe for the v10f. it’s like silicone on silicone. i haven’t given up on them for the v10f, i need more wheel time. on antiskid tape, they are like velcro.

 

[RayRay]

1 hour ago, novazeus said:

a little off topic but i am weird, this makes me happy if the forecasters are correct. i can never get enough rain. i pray for hurricanes.

 

(Get used to it.) The same forecast extends through the whole of summer....
Some sun, then clouds and more rain... (repeat).

Edited May 10, 2018 by RayRay
possible hurricanes late summer

[novazeus]

9 minutes ago, RayRay said:

(Get used to it.) The same forecast extends through the whole of summer....
Some sun, then clouds and more rain... (repeat).

i hope so. cows eat grass. rain makes the grass grow. no rain means i gotta buy grass.

[The Fat Unicyclist]

2 minutes ago, novazeus said:

i hope so. cows eat grass. rain makes the grass grow. no rain means i gotta buy grass.

I thought you bought grass anyway...   ?   

[Jpd]

1 hour ago, novazeus said:

these might not be the best shoe for the v10f. it’s like silicone on silicone. i haven’t given up on them for the v10f, i need more wheel time. on antiskid tape, they are like velcro.

 

If you’re gonna go with vans try the vans mte. They have knobby tread, not flush tread like yours. Don’t expect much support for your feet though, no vans have any support. Still a cool shoe though!

[UniVehje]

Today I experimented with the settings and that made a huge difference. I think I found the sweet spot for me.

Pedal horizontal adjustment at 3.8

Footboard sensitivity at 2350

It feels and rides much better like this. A totally diffenet wheel. More nimble, comfortable, stable and reactive. 

I have one issue, though. I’d like it to break better. It regenerates at -500W and I’d like that to be stronger. I don’t care so much about the speed over 35 km/h. I’d rather have better acceleration and breaking. Still not bad, there’s plenty of power. ? Guys, please experiment with the full speed and acceleration in safe environment first. 

The app is great! ?

I feel like the V10F is now twice as good and fun. Finding the right settings really makes the wheel come alive. 

Edited May 11, 2018 by UniVehje

[novazeus]

30 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said:

I thought you bought grass anyway...   ?   

i have but i'd rather grow it.

[novazeus]

30 minutes ago, Jpd said:

If you’re gonna go with vans try the vans mte. They have knobby tread, not flush tread like yours. Don’t expect much support for your feet though, no vans have any support. Still a cool shoe though!

yeah i saw those but they'd be hot.