Kekafuch Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Random thoughts … after 13,000kms on V10 and a Sherman and now considering a “bonking” wheel like V12T or RST or Master or V11. App map tracking, social, and ride camera logging, data is something I value. Still on the fence about complicated suspension if it ends up weighting more than the RS19. To me the suspension does not have to be perfect. Something like rubber hinge at the pedal hanger to dampen something. Or some composite wheel/rim that absorbs. I want durable, torque, speed, and weather resistance. 60-80km is ok. I dislike proprietary electronic connections. Which is why I kind of like Begode ecosystem. If they updated the RS shell and make it lighter… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Unventor said: Another thing I have raised on more than one time is use of stainless screws. But I got an explanation to why this is not used now, a very valid reason. One that I never considered before I'm really interested to know what the reason is could you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I was really excited about the V13 until my reseller speculated that it will cost $4000+ USD. That is a deal breaker for me unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucner Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Brahan Seer said: I'm really interested to know what the reason is could you elaborate? Let me guess: stainless steel is softer, prone to stress corrosion cracking in chloride environment and binds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, Eucner said: Let me guess: stainless steel is softer, prone to stress corrosion cracking in chloride environment and binds up. Possibly. And these would be good reasons. But I think the point is not stainless or something else. There must be a way to build these wheels as reliable and serviceable as mopeds, e-bikes, and other PLEVs. Those don’t have major problems with rusty screws and they are regularly kept outside in rain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I imagine it might be cost but stainless steel isn't just one product but many alloys. There are so many types with lots of different characteristics. If you are interested this link explains it in great detail.. https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=2874 and explains how some stainless steel is magnetic too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, The Brahan Seer said: I'm really interested to know what the reason is could you elaborate? Once Inmotion go public with more info on V13 we might know how the approach this. For now they took on board the reason to have screws that works to make service easier. Material is just on point of this discussion. The overall impact if they were to use stainless screws is something I didn't consider but it made sense to me why they used the material they used up until now. Like all other major wheels that I recall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 8 hours ago, The Brahan Seer said: explains how some stainless steel is magnetic too. This would mean a lot to manufactoring process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, techyiam said: Slightly off topic, Madpack said that he is hoping for Inmotion to ship him the V13 for review in July. On top of this, he is expecting the V13 to be the wheel of the year for 2022. Speaking of whom, I thought I was negatively misled by the negative vibe that he conveyed his S20/22 review video. Quote from the S22 topic. Sounds like the V13 (are there multiple variants?) might be closer than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post techyiam Posted May 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Sounds like the V13 (are there multiple variants?) might be closer than expected. I think that is what Madpack wants us to think. From reading his comments on the V13, it seems Inmotion has shown him videos, or told him substantial details on the V13. Before it was hush, hush. It was going to be an indeterminate wait. Now he did a 180, and is saying he may be testing the V13 in July, and Inmotion is working very hard on the V13. And the V13 is going to be class leading. He mentioned no variants. Edited May 19, 2022 by techyiam 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Fool me once... Sure, I want to know more about the V13, but I think we should all expect it'll be 2023 before actual customers have working copies of it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 16 hours ago, squirrel said: Fool me once... Sure, I want to know more about the V13, but I think we should all expect it'll be 2023 before actual customers have working copies of it. I don't thing it will take that long. That said I doubt it will be coming next too. I am careful to say time here because it has had setbacks just like the S20/S22 or what it is called these day. I do know that have gone in a different way in development than we normally see from Inmotion. On this side note I fully agree that is the right way for the future as principal. But I think the focus on speed will be a very bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobey Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Following up on the speculations regarding this design "revolution" - can you guys imagine a "wheel" with design like this? |-●-| /-●-/ \-●-\ or this -|●|- -/●/- -\●\- and what it would mean for mass adoption and stability / comfort even for seasoned riders? No more clumsy kick-stands with poor design and stability needed - we could just hop off the cycle (not a unicycle anymore, technically speaking) and just leave it standing on its own at any spot without having to worry about balance. It would be capable of just balancing itself on its own - improving the steep learning curve. Also probably safer in turns and on slippery surfaces but still sleek enough to fit on narrow forest paths. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 What are the symbols trying to show? Are they trying to show a dual wheeled unicycle like these? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Bjerke Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Where can I find Madpacks views on v13? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, Finn Bjerke said: Where can I find Madpacks views on v13? In the comment section of the video below. It is in Marco's replies to Shane Hric's post. There were a total of 7 replies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Bjerke Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Very good of you mate.. Thx. I have prepaid V12 ht... But I need suspension my back is hurting after EUC rides. Stronger abs needed. I'm 61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobey Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Paul A said: What are the symbols trying to show? Are they trying to show a dual wheeled unicycle like these? More or less what I mean but with a twist - the wheels would have to be flexible in terms of tilting in turns and have independent suspension to compensate uneven terrain. The first depicted configuration with the wheels further apart and legs in between would be preferable IMHO. Electronics with the motor and battery in the middle. I believe the options already available as you mention in the examples are not quite there in terms of practical usability due to the fixed axle and no suspension - this is also a rather interesting approach: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobey Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Finn Bjerke said: Very good of you mate.. Thx. I have prepaid V12 ht... But I need suspension my back is hurting after EUC rides. Stronger abs needed. I'm 61 I agree with your sentiment. I got myself a V8S and really miss the suspension. I think it should be a must have going forward - a matter of course like on other vehicles. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) Ok, sounds like maybe a re-invented hoverboard with larger wheels and suspension. If omni wheels ever developed to be robust, capable of high speeds, that would be a great innovation for EUCs. All direction self balancing and movement. Edited May 22, 2022 by Paul A 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) Now since this is a V3 thread I can confirm it will NOT have a dual wheel configuration. Inmotion had a wheel like that and it was may fine for its time. But now we have wheels that have the battery and motor power to keep balance. Anyone trying a hoover board know what the problem is with a 2 wheel parallel config once one wheel hit an obstical while the other wheel doesn't. As for how the V13 will handle I don't know just yet. Except speed is very important in the way it is designed. And that comes at a cost. Personally I think this is wrong way to go but apparently Inmotion must be under the impression that speeds will sell otherwise I have a hard time see why to build a very fast wheel. It does mean I doubt I will be buying the V13. The "cost" are in so many ways that it is not one I expect will feel like an upgrade to me that is worth the investment needed. Edited May 23, 2022 by Unventor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Unventor said: Personally I think this is wrong way to go but apparently Inmotion must be under the impression that speeds will sell otherwise I have a hard time see why to build a very fast wheel. It does mean I doubt I will be buying the V13. The "cost" are in so many ways that it is not one I expect will feel like an upgrade to me that is worth the investment needed. I hope you don't mean the V13 is going to sacrifice light-footedness, and torque for pure top speed. Although the Hero, the Master, and S22 are 80-ish lbs, give or take, you may feel the mass, but they aren't like the somewhat ponderous Abrams. It almost sounds like the V13 is being put into the heavy cruiser class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 I'd personally buy a heavy wheel if it ticked all other boxes: robust design (including reasonable drop-protection), well-thought ergonomics, high build quality, power (torque), high speed, good range, reasonable suspension. I wonder if InMotion V13 will exceed Begode Master's performance though. If Master doesn't cutout or catch flames anywhere before InMotion come out with their presentation, V13's competition is very steep... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhpr262 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 One guy in my country's Telegram EUC group already has the Master. He says torque and speed are really good but build quality is utter garbage. If Inmotion manages to build a quality wheel they should be able to compete with the Master without too much difficulty. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) The only way to compete with Master's performance if InMotion pick the higher voltage, which is not impossible. I may be wrong, but I think I heard somewhere that the new V12 MOSFETs are rated 150V... Edited May 24, 2022 by That Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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