Kekafuch Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 The Hero and S20 should be what InMotion V13 or V20 should be. The form factor is pretty much universal for performance and agility. Alot of good tires available and good complimentary wheel to RS and Shermans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AtlasP Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 28 minutes ago, Kekafuch said: The Hero and S20 should be what InMotion V13 or V20 should be. The form factor is pretty much universal for performance and agility. Alot of good tires available and good complimentary wheel to RS and Shermans. The Hero is an abomination and the S20 is barely a prototype nowhere near completion. At most you could say you want the V13 to be what you hope/imagine the S20 could be--but at present even the S20 isn't currently what you hope/imagine the S20 could be. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ Maybe one day. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Well said, @AtlasP. Then, what is your next wheel? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, That Guy said: Well said, @AtlasP. Then, what is your next wheel? :-) Imagine you work your @$$ off to become one of the small handful of the very best in the world at some admittedly-niche profession--and then along comes a global pandemic which doesn't simply eliminate your job or company, but rather completely obliterates the entire industry/sphere of human activity in which you made your living. *Poof*, overnight it simply does not exist and has remained that way for ~18 months, with no indication if or when it might ever sufficiently recover. (And even if it does finally start to happen a little bit over the coming year, it could likely still be several years or more until it gets back to where it was before this all happened.) In normal times, I would have likely bought first a V11 and then a V12 over the past ~year. As it stands, while I could still afford those things I've decided I don't really /need/ them and so I've been making do with my (fortunately at least 18650-based/not containing the affected 21700-based packs) 100v Nik+ which still meets my speed & range needs for the most part. At least until I have a better idea of what my professional future looks like over the next year or more. Edited November 30, 2021 by AtlasP 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted November 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 1:09 AM, That Guy said: Disclaimer: all of the below is my pure speculation and I have no inside information whatsoever, I am just reading and watching the same stuff as everybody else and dream!... Just like you, I have zero insider information. All is just based on watching the markets for 5 years. I really don’t think IM would try to surprise with anything more-of-the-same, such as speed, battery capacity, or voltage. It’s never been IM’s way to create a wheel that is still current and selling well after several years. Besides, I don’t think the current legal status all around the world encourages to invest in designing a wheel that pushes the max speed any further. And second, so far all the people who I’ve talked with who want a higher than 70km/h top speed, wants it for the safety buffer, not for riding. Which is clearly a GW state of mind and probably doesn’t understand what determines the wheel’s thrust buffer. A 22” tire is way to nichè for IM to enter for several years. And for the wheel to sell traditional Inmotion sales figures, I’m sceptical for a much heavier than the V12 wheel as well. On 11/20/2021 at 9:51 AM, Mango said: I’m going to throw in my prediction of what the V13 feature set will be. … Your list seems very plausible. On 11/20/2021 at 12:29 PM, That Guy said: Believable and expected, but where is the “punch line”? I mean, all of these are already already in production. The V11 punch line was obviously the suspension. The V12: touch screen. Both are very not more-of-the-same. Neither wheel had the biggest battery, biggest speed, biggest tire, biggest voltage, or biggest anything. My guess is that the V13 punchline is something that no-one will predict. It’s not a “biggest” anything, it’s the first something. On 11/20/2021 at 12:29 PM, That Guy said: Besides, I suspect InMotion may continue with the V11’s suspension type rather than switching to the full-body (which adds much more weight). If they do, they simply must redesign the key wearable parts. I’m hoping for a more thorough redesign. 18 hours ago, Kai Drange said: "Deluxe V10F" It’s coming, for sure, but not this time. My guess is that the V10F still sells reasonably well. We might see a V10S at some point, but the next wheel, the “V13”, will compete with the big boy wheel sales. But hopefully suspension entering the V10F and smaller classes is not too far away. And who’d be more adept in doing that than Inmotion! 18 hours ago, Kai Drange said: I recently switched from V8F to V10 and the weight difference is bothering me. No way I'm ever getting anything heavier than that. Yeah, “recently” being the operative word. I bet you’ll feel very differently once the change is no longer recent. What you feel about the weight is something that every single EUC rider feels at some point about speed, weight, size, or price, etc. For a long time I was absolutely certain that I would never ever reach 27km/h on an EUC! 7 hours ago, That Guy said: I am afraid I will have to let V13 pass for one reason. I live in a very hilly area and cannot have a wheel with much less torque than KS16X. Even InMotion's V12 has less torque than 16x. You say “torque” but you seem to describe effortlessness of acceleration instead. The maximum torque is a measurable thing in mechanical physics, which can’t be felt during riding. Just like you can’t feel the maximum speed when riding much below it. Effortlessness of acceleration is mainly a geometric feature, which is very easily felt during every acceleration. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted November 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2021 So I only heard a YouTuber commenting on the topic model. And no details what so ever has slipped out. I have had communication with Inmotion from time to time. But they are very tight lips about next generation of wheel(s). Now I don't use the name of what the wheel will be called. This is mainly to not jinxing it. So I gave Inmotion some feedback or suggestions so we will see what they do with it. Now if you look back at history if Inmotion they have made wheels that at the time were considered very safe. They have grown in size and almost all aspect unless it was a replacement of an elder wheel. So I think they will have something different about the battery, but I can't say what but they did look into swappable better packs from a ceo interview video back at V11 launch. I suggested individually cell monitoring would make sense to have better battery safety. As of speeds I will argue that they might go higher than V11 too. But here is the thing with speed. It stresses everything, risks increases a lot vs speed increase and there is risk of getting banned from selling the higher the speed gets too. So my suggestion to them was to explain safety margin they build in that increases. But the problem here is how to show a safety margin that only comes into play when you hit a bump or go uphill. I am not at all convinced the GW no load lift speed tells the rider anything about safety. I suggested to make it so you have more mc standard tire options and option to go tubeless. So it is about tire clearance and size. And to avoid what some Sherman riders had with valve bing rip off the tube. I also suggested to keep things modular as much as possible. They did it in some way with front and rear hear light units on V11. But if we look at the Sherman it took this a step further. That is what I like about the Sherman. It is all about making something easy to service. And speaking of service, I suggested a more informative self diagnostic with more details other than need repair. So I have no idea of specs or looks or materials. But my guess is a refined and changed build to the V11 to make bearing issues a thing of the passed. I expect longer range too and suspension. I have suggested to Inmotion soon start to public talk about the next gen wheel. Otherwise S20 might big the wheel most will buy this coming year. Now I like my V11 a lot. When it rides it is great. But service is where it could use tweaks and this goes for suspension, motor and drive board, how cables are mounted. The big question is when Inmotion are ready with next wheel. It is a tuff business if you are too late but you don't want to play your cards too soon for competition to make a counter move. I can share that we might soon see a new official Inmotion post here on the forum. So hopeful the brand announcements thread will be active again soon. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Have we seen airless tires on a euc yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, Grimm10 said: Have we seen airless tires on a euc yet? I'd leave such innovation to vehicles which have already been perfected in all other aspects I would prefer EUC manufacturers to focus on areas that are either evidently lacking (battery tech, serviceability, overall QC) or are unique to EUCs (self-balancing nature and portability). I really wish for V10S+ or something of the sort: safe 50kph, 20-22kg wheel with V12-level customizability and build and V11 lights. Doesn't have to have large battery. Just yesterday I had to haul four 20kg winter wheels down the stairs from my 3rd floor apt to my car. This was not difficult but also no fun. I have the feeling that the domain of portable (as in "no problem to carry it upstairs in one hand") inner city EUCs is ready for something fresh. But I understand the V13 is probably a "full-sized" beefed-up wheel. Still, I am eager to see innovation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucner Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Grimm10 said: Have we seen airless tires on a euc yet? Open structure will gather rocks, which break the tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Eucner said: Open structure will gather rocks, which break the tire. Possibly yes, but there are closed cell ones too. I'm just thinking of ideas of what we have not seen on a euc yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 How about a self drive option? Collision avoidance? Air bags? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Grimm10 said: I'm just thinking of ideas of what we have not seen on a euc yet. Small flywheel for either self-balancing in the roll axis (self-standing), or as nitro assist for acceleration or braking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucner Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Emergency break assistance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Unventor said: It is all about making something easy to service. In one of comment replies (to the video quoted earlier in this thread) eevee’s said “don’t think it will be easier to maintain”or something like that. They would only say that if InMotion “forgot” to mention it. But likely it wasn’t a feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, That Guy said: In one of comment replies (to the video quoted earlier in this thread) eevee’s said “don’t think it will be easier to maintain”or something like that. They would only say that if InMotion “forgot” to mention it. But likely it wasn’t a feature. Yes Inmotion has not made anything public yet. And as goes for youtubers I view this at this stage as click baits. Yes I am not the first with information pipeline from Inmotion but I think something is in the news press soon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekafuch Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 A new way to do suspension would be cool. I like the EX concept since it seems adaptable to other wheels. Or how about the suspension built into the rim. https://loopwheels.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Grimm10 said: Have we seen airless tires on a euc yet? 10 hours ago, Grimm10 said: Possibly yes, but there are closed cell ones too. I'm just thinking of ideas of what we have not seen on a euc yet. The V11 suspension travel is 8.5cm. The S18 was announced as 10cm. I think the S20 will be even more. The whole thickness of an 18” tire reaches about 6cm beyond the rim. But this could be a nice addition to smaller wheels where a mechanical suspension would be too heavy or it wouldn’t fit. 3 hours ago, Kekafuch said: A new way to do suspension would be cool. I like the EX concept since it seems adaptable to other wheels. Or how about the suspension built into the rim. https://loopwheels.com Not suitable for BLDC motors though, since the rotating magnets must remain within just a few millimetres from the stator at all times. So basically the distance between the axle and the rim is fixed. But I still would like to think that there would be alternate ways of doing this. Maybe the V11 sliding mechanism could be replaced with heavy duty warehouse style drawer sliding bearings? That would already decrease the friction by a huge amount, and possibly help with the durability as well. Edited December 1, 2021 by mrelwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ek. Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 Since we're on to sharing our dream wheel specs I thought I might have a go. Modular is very high on my list. I think the Next Big Thing needs to be easy tyre change. Not as simple as the lever attachment on a bike I know, but improvements could be made over the status quo. (Wouldn't it be nice to have a great range of interchangeable third party accessories that fit multiple wheel models?). A removable battery that you can store and charge *off the wheel* would be absolutely fantastic! E-bikes have 'em, power tools have 'em, why can't we? Then you could also carry a spare in your backpack, but I mostly want it for peace of mind (much easier to fit a battery into a safe or a cupboard in the shed than a whole wheel... or three). I like the 16" format with something like 1200wh battery, and my personal speed needs don't go beyond 50km/h (and that's with plenty of "buffer" already). Weight definitely factors into these choices. Also, as @That Guy already stated, hill-climbing ability is a must in this country. Unless you live in Canterbury... I also want the suspension for safety reasons. You can't see every bump that would chuck you off, and I prefer not worry about snake bite or rim bends. As others have pointed out, suspension isn't the only way to achieve comfort but that's not really why I want it. A visible speedo and battery indicator is high priority (though not a deal-breaker I guess) and overall milage and trip milage would be a nice-to-have but I don't mind using an app for that. After that we get into the rats and mice. Can't be that hard to make a great trolly handle, for example. How about that thing where you don't faceplant when the hall sensor throws a wobbly? A good alert system, nice stock pedals, excellent lighting front and back. A bell? Configurable and sane-looking pads. Not overall looking like a Roomba or a suitcase would also be nice. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ek. Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 V13 wishful-thinking prediction: hybrid of the V11 and V12 but with either easy tyre change or interchangeable battery. Or both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Guys, we only need to keep dreaming and wishlisting for less than two months! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollin-on-1 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 11/19/2021 at 3:03 PM, conecones said: Still have my hopes up for a performance 16" suspension wheel. Both KS and Gotway not moving that direction, so hoping Inmotion does. 100V, 50km/h top speed torque oriented 16" wheel would be a beast. Isn't KS working on a 16" suspension wheel after the S20? Likely for 2023 at this point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Rollin-on-1 said: Isn't KS working on a 16" suspension wheel after the S20? I saw mention of an S16 in the chatter leading up to the announcement of the S20 but nothing since... if they're wise they'll delay to let the S20 keep the limelight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Rollin-on-1 said: Isn't KS working on a 16" suspension wheel after the S20? Likely for 2023 at this point? That's nothing! You should see what they have in the works for 2025! But I can't say anything more than that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollin-on-1 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 17 hours ago, Grimm10 said: That's nothing! You should see what they have in the works for 2025! But I can't say anything more than that. The 2030 line up is 🔥🔥🔥🔥! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said: The 2030 line up is 🔥🔥🔥🔥! You are talking GW/Sister brands right? And 4 battery pack models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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