Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted January 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, Freestyler said: Jiluer 820 (J-820) 2.75-14 Well... at least it will be easy to tell if an S20 has been ridden or is factory fresh. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Ack! Anyone have any intel on a spring for light-weight riders? It'll most certainly be aftermarket, and will probably have to be measured and tried. But I'm pretty sure I'll need a different spring (I don't want to have to carry a V12 in order for the suspension to work) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoGuy Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Tawpie said: Ack! Anyone have any intel on a spring for light-weight riders? It'll most certainly be aftermarket, and will probably have to be measured and tried. But I'm pretty sure I'll need a different spring (I don't want to have to carry a V12 in order for the suspension to work) How much do you weigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 fully geared... 135. I'm, you know, one of those riders that can get the advertised mileage out of my wheels (weight and I don't go fast fast fast!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoGuy Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tawpie said: fully geared... 135. I'm, you know, one of those riders that can get the advertised mileage out of my wheels (weight and I don't go fast fast fast!) You are my size then. I weigh 133 lbs. without any gears. I am also short at 5'5" tall. I pre-ordered the S20 at ewheels on the first day that ewheels announced the $100 deposit. I hope that I can manage the S20 due to its heavy weight relative to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, SanDiegoGuy said: I hope that I can manage the S20 due to its heavy weight relative to me. With ya on that... the weight is the 1 thing that I'm concerned about, especially off road. I have however seen kids on wheels that literally weighed as much as the kid, and they seemed fine—so there'll be a learning curve but it should be learnable. I did ask Jason at eWheels about a lighter spring, he indicated that they were aware of the need but at the time the wheel was still a render so he had no additional advice. Looking on the MTB forums, NMC makes a 550 lb/in spring and a 750 lb/in, but the sizing (36 mm inside diameter) looks to be pretty standard so it should be possible to get alternatives. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Tawpie said: Ack! Anyone have any intel on a spring for light-weight riders? It'll most certainly be aftermarket, and will probably have to be measured and tried. But I'm pretty sure I'll need a different spring (I don't want to have to carry a V12 in order for the suspension to work) My concern is that there is no optional spring for heavier riders should the stock spring not be enough. I'm nearly double your weight. Dnm doesn't produce a thicker spring than the 750lb one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fat Unicyclist Posted January 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 hours ago, That Guy said: Wow, it's happening! Somehow, I started imagining that to finalise the product KingSong would disappear for a few months then come back with a big announcement like "sorry we are late, but look what we've got for you". Does it feel like they decided to go low key? I hope they have sorted the conversion to 126V for good. Earlier this month KS actually dialed back the pre-release quantities, as they are still working out the final BMS challenges... But it looks like they will have everything else ready for assembly when the final kinks are worked out. And yes, for those in New Zealand, there will be a shipment on the way here as soon as it is ready... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Smith Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: And yes, for those in New Zealand, there will be a shipment on the way here as soon as it is ready... Any hints on pricing yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Tawpie said: fully geared... 135. I'm, you know, one of those riders that can get the advertised mileage out of my wheels (weight and I don't go fast fast fast!) About the same weight as me. I'm not rushing in to an S20 purchase (I had regrets over having a first batch 16x), so I'll be following how lighter riders get on with the wheel and suspension set up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoGuy Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jon Stern said: About the same weight as me. I'm not rushing in to an S20 purchase (I had regrets over having a first batch 16x), so I'll be following how lighter riders get on with the wheel and suspension set up. I hope Chooch will get a chance to test out the S20 because he is about 130-135 lbs. However, due to his great riding skill, the S20 will be an easy ride for him and this can cause an illusion that the $20 would be a good fit for light riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: final BMS challenges... I hope the final tweaks are not safety-related, as they are shipping tens of examples out for wider testing?… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted January 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) The S20 rim looks wide indeed! I would guess 60mm like the Sherman V2 or maybe slightly more. It means a few things: some tires will exhibit more tramlining or resistance to turning than usual some tires combined with the suspension, will make this wheel feel like it has a larger tire like Monster or Monster Pro. some tires will not fall off the side as much (typical knobby tire behaviour) it probably won't often be described as "nimble", depending on how the stock tire behaves it will accommodate even wider tires if desired for special purposes (off-road, sand) I'm happy with the combo I got on my Sherman V2 so I'm not worried, but some folks especially heavy carvers might not be huge fans. Source: Instagram post https://www.instagram.com/p/CY5HLJJlzWj/ Edited January 19, 2022 by supercurio 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolzi Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Uh oh. I wonder if preorder prices are going to change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Something something inflation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 19 hours ago, Grimm10 said: My concern is that there is no optional spring for heavier riders should the stock spring not be enough. I'm nearly double your weight. Dnm doesn't produce a thicker spring than the 750lb one. I think you're gonna really struggle with springs tbh, most MTB ones usually max out around 550lb given the front end is doing a lot of the work too. If it were me, I would probably put a decent air shock on it but then you may get near the max can pressure too...which is about 325psi. For info I run about 190psi on my MTB, and I'm around 90kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Has KS indicated if they'll be shipping with the DNM 750 lb/in spring or the 550? I poked numbers into the many MTB rear spring calculators (100% weight on the rear spring, guessing 60 mm shock travel, and guessing 180 mm wheel travel) and they generally said I should be in the 550 range. I'm encouraged because DNM does make a 550 lb/in spring for the RCP-2S (and shipped it as a factory option... they also made a 450 lb/in spring for the RCP-2S but who knows if that's obtainable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniMe Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) I thought KS had two spring weights... regular and heavy. I had an interaction with Jack about this previously, probably on this thread. the sad thing is... I probably need one of these wheels lol...!! I'm not in a rush though and will let all the good folks here beta test them first during your beta tests, please find an oh! so! sweet! replacement coilover shock for the wheel! Edited January 20, 2022 by UniMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miko.cz Posted January 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2022 some other info to pool - ekolka (Czech distributor) is expecting to receive distributor prototype version in 2 weeks (FB here). These pictures are same - I think not yet first public batch, but these are distributor prototypes. They will be tested by distributors and then manufactured. Anyway progress is welcome 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachboy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 So…is this still prototype or mass product version? if KS still launching a prototype after so much test videos and delays, then this will be like first launch experience of S18..think I just have dejavu.. however I really hope the best for this wheel..put my money on it..👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tawpie Posted January 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Beachboy said: So…is this still prototype or mass product version? I consider it be a prototype run—it's fairly common to "wet the production line" where the first units go to sales channels, reviewers etc. but not to end customers. This way you get to see how your production processes work when you're not lovingly hand crafting each individual unit and your channel has something to feed the hype machine... er, I mean, "for sales training". I'd expect them to reveal some production issues (they won't be perfect), and that the results will be fed back to China before 'real' production starts. Then batch 1 for end consumers will be built, more issues will be discovered and fed back. By batch 3 things should be pretty good. Early adopters always pay a price for being first to have the shiny object... sometimes it works in our favor because subsequent batches are subject to cost reduction pressure, but I think we can all expect to suffer some—hopefully it won't be as serious as the V12 and KS learned something from the S18 rollout. Edited January 21, 2022 by Tawpie 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhz06 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Beachboy said: So…is this still prototype or mass product version? if KS still launching a prototype after so much test videos and delays, then this will be like first launch experience of S18..think I just have dejavu.. however I really hope the best for this wheel..put my money on it..👍 I would think pre-production. That would mean it is built exactly like production would be built. It is used to find build problems and issues. Basically to test the build process. Prototype builds have a large degree of hand building and is not built on a production line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 From what I gather from various posts and even the official KS instagram post it's the actualy batch 1 production line, the demo wheels was already made and in transit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachboy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If it is a preproduction wheel then mostlikely there will be imperfection on the product, so why would a factory release it just to get feed back? didn’t KS have QC guys to do the job? I know not all received this long-awaited wheel but if they buy it and its not perfect..wouldn’t this slap KS again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Beachboy said: If it is a preproduction wheel then mostlikely there will be imperfection on the product Pre-production or first set of production batches, I think we all know that there will be some or many things that need to be improved... it's the cost of being an early adopter 21 minutes ago, Beachboy said: why would a factory release it just to get feed back? That's exactly what's happening... until it is in actual use by end customers (us), they can only guess at what we're going to do to it. So we are beta testers for a while. It's basically a fact of life with new product introductions. 21 minutes ago, Beachboy said: didn’t KS have QC guys to do the job? My guess: QC does what they feel is best to assure that the things they already know about are "good". After many hundred individual wheels are able to get many thousands of miles on them, in a wide assortment of riding conditions, QC will have a better idea about what is actually important and what isn't. Edited January 21, 2022 by Tawpie 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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