Kingsong S20/S22 (Confirmed)

[GoldenOne]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Last I read, the earliest shipping date is April 2022. Yeah, it’s being pushed back. My guess is July 2022 before we see any meaningful supply being delivered to customers.

Ouch! Where did you hear this? 

Most dealers still saying dec/jan

Edited November 21, 2021 by GoldenOne

[Codespanker]

The production wheel doesn’t appear to be finished and tested. Then they have to manufacture it in bulk and then shipping. Plus the new year holiday. April is a safe bet, Dec/Jan is basically impossible at this point 

[fbhb]

29 minutes ago, Codespanker said:

Dec/Jan is basically impossible at this point 

Dec/Jan was ALWAYS going to be impossible with Feb/March or even April being tentatively suggested some months ago, so later than that would not surprise me in the least. 

These delays are valid in the current climate, along with the fact that King Song surely Do Not want the S20 to hit the market with anything like the amount of issues surrounding both the 16x and S18 releases, so are taking their time with this one!

No doubt there could still be some small teething issues, when it does finally become ready for the market, but at this stage we have Only just this week seen what looks to be the "wide rim" on Only One of the prototypes being tested, so there is still some ways to go IMHO.

Edited November 21, 2021 by fbhb

[Brendan "nog3" Halliday]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

Last I read, the earliest shipping date is April 2022. Yeah, it’s being pushed back. My guess is July 2022 before we see any meaningful supply being delivered to customers.

Don't know where you read this, but this is not correct at the moment. I work at a distributor and we're still expecting first samples dec/jan with first units feb/mar. That may change, but April is definitely not forecasted right now.

[GoldenOne]

1 hour ago, Codespanker said:

The production wheel doesn’t appear to be finished and tested. Then they have to manufacture it in bulk and then shipping. Plus the new year holiday. April is a safe bet, Dec/Jan is basically impossible at this point 

I think kingsong can cover those last steps quicker than most as the motor is custom not an off the shelf unit and they also do things like pcb printing/pick-and-place in house rather than outsource. So prototyping and production doesn't get slowed down waiting for orders to be filled by third parties like other companies might have. 

27 minutes ago, Brendan "nog3" Halliday said:

Don't know where you read this, but this is not correct at the moment. I work at a distributor and we're still expecting first samples dec/jan with first units feb/mar. That may change, but April is definitely not forecasted right now.

Good to hear that it's not too far out, though not so great to hear it's likely going to miss the dec/jan window. 

 

Any idea why most distributors are still saying dec/jan? 

[Tawpie]

2 hours ago, fbhb said:

Only One of the prototypes being tested

There was a urban ride snippet with two units in the frame at the same time—not that two engineering pre production units is all that much different than one. But at one time, there were two!!!

Edited November 21, 2021 by Tawpie

[fbhb]

4 hours ago, Tawpie said:

6 hours ago, fbhb said:

Only One of the prototypes being tested

There was a urban ride snippet with two units in the frame at the same time—not that two engineering pre production units is all that much different than one. But at one time, there were two!!!

Edited 24 minutes ago by Tawpie

@Tawpie, I think you have misunderstood the point I was trying to make here, as you Only quoted a short excerpt from my above post.

I have seen the "urban ride snippet with two units in the frame" that you refer to and believe it was Electric Dreams (aka @Jack ex-KS) YouTube video, but the point I was making is that in that and All other short videos we have seen so far (whether One S20 or Two were shown), the early Silver (S18 style) prototype rim was still being used.

Whereas, just this week a more recent video showed what looked to be the "Final wider Black rim" fitted and that has Only just been shown on One pre production S20 so far!

 This is a screengrab I took from the S20 rock climbing video posted earlier this week, with the YouTube video itself linked below.

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by fbhb

[Miko.cz]

downhill video (same hill) few hours old. tip: slow down the replay to 0.25x speed to see suspension work

Edited November 21, 2021 by Miko.cz
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[Astronautical]

I’m seeing blue pads in this shot.

[GoldenOne]

Spoke to E-Rides today, apparently they're now expecting S20 next year

[Lukasz]

5 minutes ago, GoldenOne said:

Spoke to E-Rides today, apparently they're now expecting S20 next year

This will happen for sure "next year" as we have 5 weeks of the current year left... key is if this will be in FEB or more like NOV next year..  ;-)

[I_Must_Bust]

On 11/20/2021 at 7:47 PM, Mango said:

Last I read, the earliest shipping date is April 2022. Yeah, it’s being pushed back. My guess is July 2022 before we see any meaningful supply being delivered to customers.

Wish we could get them by late spring for prime riding season but I'll take it. Gives me more time to get to 2k miles on my Tesla before spending more money

[GoldenOne]

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37 minutes ago, GoldenOne said:

Too bad but it was to be expected.

I’m curious to know what is modified following Kuji’s feedback. I thought he was more a “ride quality” person than electric details (from what is talked of in his videos).

[GoldenOne]

5 minutes ago, div said:

Too bad but it was to be expected.

I’m curious to know what is modified following Kuji’s feedback. I thought he was more a “ride quality” person than electric details (from what is talked of in his videos).

If it's based on kuji's feedback I'd be almost certain it's something to do with ergonomics.
He apparently had a fair bit of influence over the 'foot grip' indent on the S18 so it could be something with powerpads maybe? (He also likes to lean very far forward and that might not be doable with the angle of the powerpads we've seen so far? Maybe he wants the gap widened?)

OR, I'd say that maybe the width of the device is a concern, it does look pretty wide and maybe there's some optimisation to be done there in getting it a bit thinner?

[.....]

Narrow it down, make flat sides and include a block of epdm with some velcro... done and done...

I'm still hoping for good things with this wheel. It may be late summer NEXT year, before getting good test results. If its a good wheel tho, itll be for sale for a while. Maybe I'll treat these wheels like computer parts. Last years news is today's solid purchase....

Edited November 24, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[Mrd777]

We knew from the beginning the s20 was a late Spring, early Summer wheel. It’s silly to think we were actually going to see them this December.
It felt like this from Kingsong day one from their unveiling. 

[fbhb]

2 hours ago, Mrd777 said:

It’s silly to think we were actually going to see them this December.

Could not have put it any better myself, let King Song take their time and get this one right I have been saying this All along!

Edited November 24, 2021 by fbhb

[UniVehje]

I may have to risk it with another first batch unit in order to ride a new wheel next summer. Already sold my V11 for S20. V13 is probably not going to make it in time either. 

[mrelwood]

 

5 hours ago, UniVehje said:

V13 is probably not going to make it in time either. 

Shush!!!

[Grimm10]

I think I'm going to change my order from the S20 to the V12.  It's a safer bet that I'll get it sooner and by recent reviews, the V12 is a great wheel.  Further down the road, if the S20 is all it's all cracked out to be, I'll upgrade then.

[GoldenOne]

I ended up getting a sherman which I'll probably then sell once s20 arrives. 

I predominantly ride on roads and on moderate off road trails so having the larger tyre and stability was ideal. 

Considered the v11 as the suspension would be nice but figured the veteran would be more enjoyable overall for road use

[Tawpie]

1 hour ago, GoldenOne said:

I ended up getting a sherman which I'll probably then sell once s20 arrives.

 I did something similar... got a used S18 for suspension use this winter assuming the S20 wouldn't be around for a while. I plan to sell it if the S20 proves to be too big and heavy but am hoping and hoping that it's not—I want the range. So I want them to take their time and totally delight me!!! Make me sell the S18 (which is a very nice wheel BTW, if it was an XL I'd be keeping it for sure).

Edited November 24, 2021 by Tawpie

[GoldenOne]

5 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

 I did something similar... got a used S18 for suspension use this winter assuming the S20 wouldn't be around for a while. I plan to sell it if the S20 proves to be too big and heavy but am hoping and hoping that it's not—I want the range.

Yeah the S20 looks perrrfect for my riding situation. I mostly ride on either country roads or moderate offroad trails (gravel tracks mostly in the New Forest), so a wheel with range, speed, but also one that is comfortable over slightly bumpy terrain is perfect. ie: the S20

The Sherman should hopefully be pretty damn good too. I don't need something super agile as I'm not doing super windy trails or anything, it's all pretty straight and open, but the big knobby tire should hopefully mean that the gravel tracks and slight bumpy terrain is handled better than my current KS18L

[Curt8892]

I have my S18 to keep me happy until the S20 arrives. It will be the perfect wheel for me. I will be able to ride with the big boys and girls on their Monster pros/Abrams/Commander/Sherman/EXN. It will not go as far as them but I will have fun on the trails and my back will not hurt.