Popular Post UniBlab Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 I don't know......the engineers at King Song don't know what they are doing. I mean look at the tire - like it actually touches the ground!!! What the hell? It's too narrow where it should be wide - and it's too wide where it should be narrow! And the pedals!!! They're too low!!! And where's the seatbelt??? This is purple and that is purple - there's not even a word that rhymes with purple so what good is it? I'm not going to sit back and allow this project to go unchallenged. We are the experts here for krissake!!! We know more than everybody!!! Our opinion is what matters, not what's actually best. We should run the company. We need 800V like all the electric cars. What's with this piddly 126V - pffffffft!!!!! I now return you to your regularly scheduled content.................................................................. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) Yeah, your point is clear, @UniBlab. But don’t forget these conversations about specs and details of how the specs are executed (including the raw emotions) is the priceless piece of market analysis for the manufacturers. I am sure all four major EUC makers are reading these posts very carefully and try to under whether they might add one or two pieces of value to their products. It’s so interesting to observe how closely the EUC industry connected with the consumer accelerating the evolution of this very new thing. Remember, touch screens went on sale like five years before EUC’s? :-) Edited October 30, 2021 by That Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniBlab Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) Was just having funnnn!!! No worries!!! it's actually pretty cool, that we have that close of a connection to the companies. Edited October 30, 2021 by UniBlab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon Stern Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 47 minutes ago, UniBlab said: I don't know......the engineers at King Song don't know what they are doing. I mean look at the tire - like it actually touches the ground!!! What the hell? It's too narrow where it should be wide - and it's too wide where it should be narrow! And the pedals!!! They're too low!!! And where's the seatbelt??? This is purple and that is purple - there's not even a word that rhymes with purple so what good is it? I'm not going to sit back and allow this project to go unchallenged. We are the experts here for krissake!!! We know more than everybody!!! Our opinion is what matters, not what's actually best. We should run the company. We need 800V like all the electric cars. What's with this piddly 126V - pffffffft!!!!! I now return you to your regularly scheduled content.................................................................. Circle rhymes with purple. That's probably why they used a round wheel on this one. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mike_bike_kite Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, That Guy said: But don’t forget these conversations about specs and details of how the specs are executed (including the raw emotions) is the priceless piece of market analysis for the manufacturers. I am sure all four major EUC makers are reading these posts very carefully and try to under whether they might add one or two pieces of value to their products. God, I hope they don't plan their new products from listening to us. We'd end up with 22" wheels with 3600Wh batteries, suspension, capable of 50+mph and that weigh 40Kg while costing near to $4K. Actually that's almost reality now The marketing execs might start to wonder why this is nothing like the highest selling EUC so far, the V8. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Haha! I reckon they sooner or later will need to split the design/production into two lines: Urban (public transport compatible) and High Performance (35kg+). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryman Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Sales would still be there, even if no manufacturer belt a wheel faster than 35 mph. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, That Guy said: Haha! I reckon they sooner or later will need to split the design/production into two lines: Urban (public transport compatible) and High Performance (35kg+). https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/25100-a-lot-of-us-including-the-manufacturers-will-be-the-downfall-of-euc-market/?tab=comments#comment-388436 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, AtlasP said: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/25100-a-lot-of-us-including-the-manufacturers-will-be-the-downfall-of-euc-market/?tab=comments#comment-388436 Yes!! :-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniMe Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) On 10/29/2021 at 5:40 PM, mrelwood said: But the stairs they rode down looked much more jarring than I had expected. Just like the ramps they rode up, the suspension didn’t do much at all when hitting the ramp. I agree, there wasn't as much suspension movement anywhere in the video as I expected/hoped. Some on the dirt climbs, when the rider is going across the grass. On the grass the only movement seems to be when the rider intentionally puts force into the suspension. Perhaps a prototype issue? We all know the S18 didn't function properly for a long time. Might also be that the spring rate is too high. Responsive suspension that doesn't sag too much is a tricky balance, but I'd expect the wheel to ride a bit lower with rider weight than it does in the vid. You need to be partly into the suspension on any vehicle for it to work properly, they seem right near the top. I really do hope they figure this wheel out! It's the evolution of the EUC I've had in mind since I knew they existed. Edited October 31, 2021 by UniMe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UniVehje Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 I really hope the suspension will be tuned mostly for comfort. There's very few riders who need suspension for performance. We don't really compete off-road and the speeds are very low. Those suspensions made for downhill MTB riders will not do much at low speeds or for just comfortable city riding. And riding down stairs is just for YouTube. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, UniVehje said: I really hope the suspension will be tuned mostly for comfort. There's very few riders who need suspension for performance. We don't really compete off-road and the speeds are very low. Those suspensions made for downhill MTB riders will not do much at low speeds or for just comfortable city riding. And riding down stairs is just for YouTube. That's a very good point. I wish it can be tuned for comfort or performance, depending on use case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grimm10 Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 Of course it can...compression, rebound, spring pressure, tire pressure. I for one appreciate that the suspension is not crashing though it's full travel while riding down the stairs. The stairs aren't nearly as aggressive as a large drop or a jump. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalV8er Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just curious, will it have any locking mechanism or on-screen password for security reasons? Or built in GPS to track if stolen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, CalV8er said: Just curious, will it have any locking mechanism or on-screen password for security reasons? Or built in GPS to track if stolen. I really hope not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miko.cz Posted November 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2021 Hopefully no critical function/features of KS-S20 will be available only in KingSong original app. (My opinion: Its full of bugs, half-translated, many unwanted functions and too nosey & Android rights hungry) Btw. thanks @Seba for EUC World... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yoos Posted November 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) S20 news from the ecodrift telegram news channel: Kuji is already riding and filming his S20 (but there is no fixed publication date for his content) KingSong might announce a further one month production delay on 20th Nov due to a shortage of BMS components. This would mean shipping in December/early January. This is not certain, but likely. First batch is 1500 wheels pre-production wheels intended for dealers/influencers are also pushed back from mid November to December. An ecodrift review would be expected in January. edit: typos Edited November 3, 2021 by yoos 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Cauac Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 hours ago, yoos said: S20 news from the ecodrift telegram news channel: Kuji is already riding and filming his S20 (but there is no fixed publication date for his content) KingSong might announce a further one month production delay on 20th Nov due to a shortage of BMS components. This would mean shipping in December/early January. This is not certain, but likely. This was expected and realistically, with all the supply chain issues, I would expect wheels by spring if we are lucky. First batch is 1500 wheels pre-production wheels intended for dealers/influencers are also pushed back from mid November to December. An ecodrift review would be expected in January. Looking forward to more reviews. edit: typos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird Lobo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Is it just me, or does it seem like the pedals on the S20 have no way of staying "closed" that is folded up? All the images show them down and it looks like the pads would be in the way of allowing them to be flush against the battery case? Thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 37 minutes ago, Weird Lobo said: Is it just me, or does it seem like the pedals on the S20 have no way of staying "closed" that is folded up? All the images show them down and it looks like the pads would be in the way of allowing them to be flush against the battery case? Thoughts? I'm not sure its possible to have a pedal wide enough and foot locks low enough, for them to not get in the way of each other. Its just one of those compromises. Good question tho. Im not a jump block fan, so Im wondering if the lower pads can be moved up enough to clear the pedals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko.cz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Jack mentioned it here in his video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniMe Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 can a person pick this wheel using the replaceable front bumper? pedals smacking your leg when carrying won't be super 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Miko.cz said: Jack mentioned it here in his video. Excellent find. So they answer is NO.. the pedals won't be closing flush and even less so, if you have pads at a lower position. I tried vaious jump block positions on my wheel and couldnt find a locale that would snug my foot and be clear of a folded pedal. One would need VERY fat feet or VERY narrow pedals, as its simply not gna work otherwise. A little tab to hold the pedals up 'a little' is possible, but yeah, still shin biters and still more room needed when trolleying. It is what it is... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miko.cz Posted November 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2021 36sec of new video of hard terain tests (uploaded 5d ago on YT by euc life) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Miko.cz said: 36sec of new video of hard terain tests (uploaded 5d ago on YT by euc life) Looks great, damn they ride fast on that terrain! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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