INMOTION V11 (2020)

[stephen]

1 hour ago, Unventor said:

Well I am not entirely agreeing here. 

There are a few first things I have not really seen on other places. I think the overall look at really great. But yes it is a matter of opinion

I'm also getting the v11 i think it's a really nice machine i only pointed out the few things he got wrong and to some it might be off putting . I love the v11 👍👍👍

I love videos good or bad though 😁😁

Wheel porn 😋

[VizioN-Scope]

Hi all  . I'm new here.

I own an Electric skateboard Evolve GTR and I'm also thinking about buying my first EUC. The Inmotion V11 looks very promising but I have some questions and concerns.

1* I hear people complaining about that the Inmotion V10/10F is speed throttling too early and too much. Will this also be a problem with V11?

On the V11 live steam unboxing video, he said that Inmotion plans on releasing a 55 km/h firmware update for pro users, giving us a much needed headroom. Will tis also fix some of the early speed throttling and making it less aggressive? 

2* The Inmotion V11 has a water resistant rating of IP55 but the cooling fan for the front light looks totally open, so how can that be IP55?, won't that fan get broken when it rains on it?. I mean it looks like rain water can easily get inside the fan's electric bearing?

3* I have now seen 3 different tires for the V11. one futuristic looking tire from the promotional pictures and one from Kuji's V11 review and now one other different tire from this unboxing video. So my question is: what tire will we get when it is released to the public?. 

4* I saw a user here on this forum saying he talked to Inmotion and they say we will get 2x chargers with the V11 but in the unboxing video there was only 1x charger.

Will we still get 2x chargers or only one?

5* I also want to get pads for the V11 but where to put them, that is the question?

I saw these interesting pads for the V11 that could work but i think it's just concept art right now

 

 

[Sentient]

I believe the video simply showed real people opening a new EUC.  It didn't look scripted and there was no music or flashy jump cuts edits to keep it interesting - for those that were looking for a show. Simply people that are into EUC's who got their hands on a new innovative device they have been waiting for.

I appreciate the simple, uncut format. No shiny gloss - just real people sharing as they fumble through this experience. As if they just got the wheel in the office and couldn't wait to open and share.

I realize they have a business selling EUC's.  Just that sometimes there is too much sizzle and not enough steak in some of these YouTube vids (restylized commercials in some ways). 

Anyhow-I preordered the V11 and this was a great first look video. Also helps to confirm the choice I made. The EUC itself exudes quality. Looks like a well thought out device with a long term user experience in mind. Looks like this wheel is designed to set Inmotion up as the "premium quality wheel" manufacturer amongst the growing number of players in the EUC world. 

 

[Unventor]

2 hours ago, VizioN-Scope said:

Hi all  . I'm new here.

I own an Electric skateboard Evolve GTR and I'm also thinking about buying my first EUC. The Inmotion V11 looks very promising but I have some questions and concerns.

1* I hear people complaining about that the Inmotion V10/10F is speed throttling too early and too much. Will this also be a problem with V11?

In this thread you see a picture of proposal Inmotion suggested Plan 1 or 2. They listened and asked for input, final decision I have not seen yet. You can fin the poll in Telegram channel. Make your voice head too if you share an genuine interest. 

On the V11 live steam unboxing video, he said that Inmotion plans on releasing a 55 km/h firmware update for pro users, giving us a much needed headroom. Will tis also fix some of the early speed throttling and making it less aggressive? 

This will be "special released firmware some way on this forum for experienced rides that have an understanding on how an EUC works and their limitations. 55Kmh from 100-80%- 50 kmh to 30%. This top 20% for 55Kmh is not listen in the Pal 1 or 2 as it is a "special" firmware option.

2* The Inmotion V11 has a water resistant rating of IP55 but the cooling fan for the front light looks totally open, so how can that be IP55?, won't that fan get broken when it rains on it?. I mean it looks like rain water can easily get inside the fan's electric bearing?

Product is rated IP55 in general. Some parts are even better. But it is not certified. Now fans can be waterproofed components too, which I would expect as they are very sure on their product when I pushed for better ratings.

3* I have now seen 3 different tires for the V11. one futuristic looking tire from the promotional pictures and one from Kuji's V11 review and now one other different tire from this unboxing video. So my question is: what tire will we get when it is released to the public?. 

The promotional picture is an imaginary tire Thread, so this is not going to happen. Inmotion listen to the feedback on tire choiceses so they tested some different types and our forum tire guru @mrelwood have giving inputs on tire too, but what is final decided I don't know. I have seen listed a tire called H-666 that @mrelwood in general like. but we still wait for confirmation.

4* I saw a user here on this forum saying he talked to Inmotion and they say we will get 2x chargers with the V11 but in the unboxing video there was only 1x charger.

Will we still get 2x chargers or only one?

On global channels they confirmed they upgraded from 1,5A to 2,5A pr charge port. And that wheels will come with 1 2,5A charger. Now Ewheels sometime does special bundles for preorders to kickstart sales so he might add another I don't know. But from global Inmotion packing it is 1 2,5A inmotion charger. Since you are form Norway I know of 2 dealers in you country that will sell V11. What they do I don't know. Things are changing still as Inmotion have taken feedback onboard and done what they can to accomidate these. 

5* I also want to get pads for the V11 but where to put them, that is the question?

I saw these interesting pads for the V11 that could work but i think it's just concept art right now

Inmotion are looking into designing these as an accessories option but I have not seen any design suggestions yet. Same goes for Seat and BT speeker add on options and side light add on (options too). Like written before Inmotion listen to feedback and working on getting things right. If all these are ready at Enduser shipping of production units is hard to tell. Also because they are working on solution does not meet they will show up as it has to work too. Also some are really good at making these mods and add-ons too as 3rd party so even if inmotion don't make it someone else might. (on you pic) The top on is a aliexpress version for KS16X. The lower one is a neck support pad for cars suggestion. The footplate I am not sure of but I seen some doing similar to other pads. I don't think these are the V11 onces.  

 

 

I add med the answer I have from following Inmotion comments and answer they give on the WhatsApp and Telegram channels. And some I got with direct PM contact I have had with Inmotion too. (a lot of PM since January/February 2020)

[Unventor]

2 hours ago, Sentient said:

I believe the video simply showed real people opening a new EUC.  It didn't look scripted and there was no music or flashy jump cuts edits to keep it interesting - for those that were looking for a show. Simply people that are into EUC's who got their hands on a new innovative device they have been waiting for.

I appreciate the simple, uncut format. No shiny gloss - just real people sharing as they fumble through this experience. As if they just got the wheel in the office and couldn't wait to open and share.

I realize they have a business selling EUC's.  Just that sometimes there is too much sizzle and not enough steak in some of these YouTube vids (restylized commercials in some ways). 

Anyhow-I preordered the V11 and this was a great first look video. Also helps to confirm the choice I made. The EUC itself exudes quality. Looks like a well thought out device with a long term user experience in mind. Looks like this wheel is designed to set Inmotion up as the "premium quality wheel" manufacturer amongst the growing number of players in the EUC world. 

 

I really like you post a lot. And I think we viewed the video with similar mindset. To find info that we have not yet seen, and not to look for faults or errors. And I agree this is far from a pre production sample we saw of the S18 with parts falling of. And another great thing how to see it in mint condition before reviewer have done their first rides and the first scrapes too.

In my post above I totally forgot to mention the trolley handle that looks really nice and I do think it would be great for most rides. Some very tall right might like it a bit higher. But compared to my KS18L and KS16X the top higher is just a bit too high and the low one works I just loved to have it a 5-8 cm higher not crazy high. So in this regard I look forward to the V11 on this point too. 

[VizioN-Scope]

4 hours ago, Unventor said:

I add med the answer I have from following Inmotion comments and answer they give on the WhatsApp and Telegram channels. And some I got with direct PM contact I have had with Inmotion too. (a lot of PM since January/February 2020)

Thanks for taking your time to reply to my many questions.

It was exactly the type of in-depth answers I was looking for. Thank you so much

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by VizioN-Scope

[mike_bike_kite]

4 hours ago, VizioN-Scope said:

I own an Electric skateboard Evolve GTR and I'm also thinking about buying my first EUC...

There is a subforum called "Which electric unicycle to get?" and you might do well checking there before buying anything. If you ask what unicycle to get in a thread dedicated to one particular unicycle then that's obviously the only recommendation you'll get. It's worth stating your weight and what you want the wheel for. Do you need to lift it up stairs etc.

[VizioN-Scope]

38 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

There is a subforum called "Which electric unicycle to get?" and you might do well checking there before buying anything. If you ask what unicycle to get in a thread dedicated to one particular unicycle then that's obviously the only recommendation you'll get. It's worth stating your weight and what you want the wheel for. Do you need to lift it up stairs etc.

Thanks for your help. I've have done a fair bit of research and I was thinking about getting the KS 16X or the GW MSP but I think my decision has landed on the IM V11 after watching Kuji's review. My weight is 92kg and I don't care so much about the EUC's weight since there is an elevator in my building where i live and at work. I know the V11 is 27kg but that is not so heavy that it will be a problem. It's like lifting a small kid.

Edited June 11, 2020 by VizioN-Scope

[Unventor]

5 hours ago, VizioN-Scope said:

Hi all  . I'm new here.

I own an Electric skateboard Evolve GTR and I'm also thinking about buying my first EUC. The Inmotion V11 looks very promising but I have some questions and concerns.

You might learn riding fast but it is a different skill that isn't easy compared to a skateboard. 

About choosing a wheel I am not sure a V11 would be my first pick. Suspension is something new and as a rider I am not sure if this makes it easier or new things you need to consider....yet. 

I do recommend taking a look on this guide. It is more to start what do you want from your wheel. It took me 3 months then I outgrew my initial thoughts and my horizon opened up now the V11 is my 5th wheel in 2.5 years. 

It is not as my the models you are to look at. It is more how your priorities are and then how you add cost into the decision. Do not expect you only buy one wheel. EUC riding is much more contagious than covid-19 and there is no cure once it bits you. 

Now you know. And a warm welcome.

[VizioN-Scope]

34 minutes ago, Unventor said:

You might learn riding fast but it is a different skill that isn't easy compared to a skateboard. 

About choosing a wheel I am not sure a V11 would be my first pick. Suspension is something new and as a rider I am not sure if this makes it easier or new things you need to consider....yet. 

I do recommend taking a look on this guide. It is more to start what do you want from your wheel. It took me 3 months then I outgrew my initial thoughts and my horizon opened up now the V11 is my 5th wheel in 2.5 years. 

It is not as my the models you are to look at. It is more how your priorities are and then how you add cost into the decision. Do not expect you only buy one wheel. EUC riding is much more contagious than covid-19 and there is no cure once it bits you. 

Now you know. And a warm welcome.

Thanks. I know EUC's are much harder to learn then skateboarding but I'm a fast learner and won't give up until I've mastered it :). I have a big empty grass football field close to where I live that I will train on to learn how to ride the first few times. I also plan on using a wall to support me when first learn how to stand on it. when I fall, I will fall on the grass and also not scrape up the EUC or my self. I also have good protective gear. Full body armor, helmet, wrist guards, elbow, knee/leg protectors. I think it will be okay and don't plan on riding fast the first week or so. 20kph at the most until I feel I'm skilled enough to ride faster.

I understand your point about buying a cheaper EUC to learn to ride on before I buy an expensive one but I'd rather just buy a good one right away. I'd rather buy a BMW straight away and learn how to drive then buy a Fiat and have to sell that later hehe  . I am determined to master EUC like a Jedi knight. It will take years of training I know but I want to be able to ride like Kuji in the future. wish me good luck  hehe

Edited June 11, 2020 by VizioN-Scope

[.....]

6 hours ago, VizioN-Scope said:

Hi all  . I'm new here.

I own an Electric skateboard Evolve GTR and I'm also thinking about buying my first EUC. The Inmotion V11 looks very promising but I have some questions and concerns.

1* I hear people complaining about that the Inmotion V10/10F is speed throttling too early and too much. Will this also be a problem with V11?

On the V11 live steam unboxing video, he said that Inmotion plans on releasing a 55 km/h firmware update for pro users, giving us a much needed headroom. Will tis also fix some of the early speed throttling and making it less aggressive?

Welcome to the group! I think that allowing us 55kmh will actually lessen the headroom of the wheel. I'm not saying its a bad thing, but I think you are misunderstanding how it works. The faster a company allows us to go, the less 'headroom' is available for power from the battery. I think its great they are giving us options, but dont get it backwards. Of course, if the battery can support the higher speed, having more headroom is moot, so long as its enough either way.

For a first wheel, I don't know if I'd get a suspension design, as they are really new and unproven. Of course, the suspension wheels may be just fine and as a new rider owning one, you will definitely be ahead of the curve.

Edited June 11, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[VizioN-Scope]

24 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Welcome to the group! I think that allowing us 55kmh will actually lessen the headroom of the wheel. I'm not saying its a bad thing, but I think you are misunderstanding how it works. The faster a company allows us to go, the less 'headroom' is available for power from the battery. I think its great they are giving us options, but dont get it backwards.

For a first wheel, I don't know if I'd get a suspension design, as they are really new and unproven. Of course, the suspension wheels may be just fine and as a new rider owning one, you will definitely be ahead of the curve.

Hi thank you so much  . I understand that suspension makes it more for the legs and balancing to think about but there is also the option to pump up the V11's suspension hard so that it does not move so much when I first try to learn how to ride on it.

I'm a EUC newbie, i know but having a EUC going 55kph and you not going more then 50kph gives you a 5kph headroom from throttling overload warnings. I might be new to EUC but I'm not new to electric skateboards where the electric motor works on the exact same principal i believe. I've seen many EUC riders videos on youtube and many say they wish they had more headroom before warning beeps and throttling. Most common complaint is from KingSong owners. Most of them say they wish they only had a 5-10kph headroom and they would be happy.

Edited June 11, 2020 by VizioN-Scope

[.....]

I wouldnt assume a suspension is going to make it tougher. I think the center of gravity being higher may, but its not a thing I'd worry about. You will have more headroom as far as speed is concerned. I am just assuming youll have a little less headroom as far as the battery is concerned. It may be completely moot tho, as enough battery headroom is enough. We just have to wait and see and rely on what specs inno is considering capable. For a first wheel, I'd be more concerned with the small chance that these new designs may have a few small flaws. I'd hate for a new rider to get discouraged, before learning how great it is. Again, it could all be unfounded worry, as sometimes a new wheel works just fine from version 1. Fwiw, as soon as we get 5 more miles per hour, we'll start bitching about wanting 5 more anyhow. Headroom and speed are related but not quite the same.

Edited June 11, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[VizioN-Scope]

@ShanesPlanet

Yea your right. More speed = more power draw and more voltage reduction in the batteries.

Don't worry, I won't get discouraged as I see EUC as the newest high-tech personal transportation of the future.

Let me put it this way. 1 year ago I had a hard crash on my electric skateboard and broke my collarbone. That has not stopped me from riding

Here is my operation pics (hope it's okay that I show this here?, If it's not, admin can delete)

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by VizioN-Scope

[AtlasP]

19 hours ago, VizioN-Scope said:

1* I hear people complaining about that the Inmotion V10/10F is speed throttling too early and too much. Will this also be a problem with V11?

 

 

Replying to this question with a more direct answer. Prior InMotion wheels used a sliding scale for throttling which happened gradually as the battery depletes. With the V11 InMotion has explicitly said they have changed their approach and confirmed that the wheel will not throttle below its limit of 50km/h all the way down/until 30% battery. So yes, this is fixed/shouldn't be a problem with the V11.

Edited June 12, 2020 by AtlasP

[VizioN-Scope]

2 hours ago, AtlasP said:

Replying to this question with a more direct answer. Prior InMotion wheels used a sliding scale for throttling which happened gradually as the battery depletes. With the V11 InMotion has explicitly said they have changed their approach and confirmed that the wheel will not throttle below its limit of 50km/h all the way down/until 30% battery. So yes, this is fixed/shouldn't be a problem with the V11.

Okay thanks so much. This is very good to hear. Kuji also confirmed this to me yesterday. He said "Didn't notice much throttling before 50%. At <50% it was easier to get overload warnings, but I think I could ride at 50kph until ~20-30%"

Edited June 12, 2020 by VizioN-Scope

[chrisdab]

19 hours ago, VizioN-Scope said:

 At <50% it was easier to get overload warnings, but I think I could ride at 50kph until ~20-30%"

What are overload warnings? Are these audible sounds? Are there system settings to turn off some audible warnings?

[mrelwood]

32 minutes ago, chrisdab said:

What are overload warnings?

It’s a spoken warning, “Overload” (or “overpower”?). Some if not all warnings have been possible to replace with any audio file one wishes, for example an empty one. But doing so for the overload warning would not be very smart.

On “headroom”. Seems it was asked in regards to headroom before the warnings. Usually headroom on EUCs is referred to as headroom before the power actually running out, which is of course very different. Especially on non self balancing vehicles. On a skateboard, once the power headroom runs out, you just stop accelerating faster. Once the power headroom runs out on an EUC, you crash, because the power is what keeps you upright.

 The last I heard about throttling from Inmotion themselves, they said they are working on a more linear plan than the two suggestions that we were shown. I just hope that the 50km/h until 30% stays as is.

[onizukagto]

when is EUCO going to be done with the review?  

Seems like a week now?  are they having so much fun they forgot to edit and post the video? 

posting a picture of the V11 headlights at night on Facebook was just cruel. 

 

proper starving for reviews....

[FreeRide]

10 hours ago, onizukagto said:

when is EUCO going to be done with the review?  

...

I heard their review isn't expected before next week, and could be later.  Of course it would be nice if they did a little preliminary one before the official one.  Hope it shows up soon, but seems like not a bad idea for them to let Kingsong get their reviews out and then you can adjust their's accordingly.

Edited June 16, 2020 by FreeRide

[onizukagto]

1 hour ago, FreeRide said:

I heard their review isn't expected before next week, and could be later.  Of course it would be nice if they did a little preliminary one before the official one.  Hope it shows up soon, but seems like not a bad idea for them to let Kingsong get their reviews out and then you can adjust their's accordingly.

Good point.

 

Right now all the reviews on the "prototype" S18, hasn't been brimming with confidence with it's quality and details. 

Hopefully, inmotion been a bit more careful, at least the unboxing shows a remarkably slim and solid "looking" wheel.

[meepmeepmayer]

The EUCO overview and offroad comparison is now up.

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In this video, we give an overview of the InMotion V11 and compare it with non-suspension EUCs off-road.

They compare it to the MSX and 18L, and you can go over bumps faster without your feet losing the wheel.

Edited June 17, 2020 by meepmeepmayer

[FreeRide]

Anyone know if Jeff is still with EUCO?

[FlyboyEUC]

1 hour ago, FreeRide said:

Anyone know if Jeff is still with EUCO?

He is but the Pandemic affected him pretty badly. They are working to get videos and reviews of the V11. They'll be in LA all this week shooting and stuff.

 

On 6/15/2020 at 6:56 PM, onizukagto said:

Good point.

 

Right now all the reviews on the "prototype" S18, hasn't been brimming with confidence with it's quality and details. 

Hopefully, inmotion been a bit more careful, at least the unboxing shows a remarkably slim and solid "looking" wheel.

here is a link to my thoughts on both. I think inmotion made a better quality product but the S18 is a better off-roader. TIme and more tests will determine which one lasts longer.

 

Random thoughts about EUCO. They are the one of the only major EUC suppliers in america that makes videos of the products they are selling. Every other place lets other people like Marty, Duf, EvX, Chooch, etc make all the videos. EUCO has to balance making videos and running a business. It's not like they are riding wheels all day. They are busy with customer support and repairs, shipping logistics, and public relations. Unlike other youtubers and distributors, EUCO tries to create their own content and pictures instead of taking the poor quality "leaked" cell phone pics from the manufacturers. I understand the frustration of wanting reviews and stuff but making content takes a long time especially if it is professional work and not some guy with a laptop and a gopro like me! haha

Not sure why I wanted to say all that but it felt good typing it up.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Flyboy10

[onizukagto]

 

Great video.

Will there be a video going over the details of the V11?

And looking at the video of the V11, it looks like pads are possible, just not so conventional. They can attach to the "stem" that connects to the pedal. and ifi they need width, just need to add some Teflon tape to the back of the pads that over hang from the "stem" so that they don't catch or wear down that much. 

For more creative types, 3d print a guide rail on both sides of the pedal "stem" and you can have a wide floating platform to mount a pad or something. 

Honestly not a deal breaker if you want to add pads and you want to jump or what. 

Because right now, the only real difference between V11 and S18 is the ability to mount pads and for "jumps" or something. 
Seems like the V11 is the better wheel here.