meepmeepmayer Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 57 minutes ago, Planemo said: But I think a decent alternative could still be found, which start from around 165mm and 40mm stroke. So it seems to be some kind of standardized part? Ok good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: So it seems to be some kind of standardized part? Ok good. I have no idea if the wheel runs to any of the usual standardized MTB measurements. It may well not do, but it might still be close enough to work fine with an MTB size if its within 5mm of E2E or stroke. DNM actually make a 165/35 which I would think is pretty close to the stock sizing. Fox or Rockshox would be preferable to DNM but as usual yer pays yer money..but DNM isnt bad for the price. I wouldnt run anything with a lower spec than DNM tbh. Edited December 26, 2021 by Planemo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted December 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Planemo said: DNM actually make a 165/35 which I would think is pretty close to the stock sizing. When Kuji was first seen riding the Hero for Begode, the wheel was shown at that point running a DNM shock! (I'm fairly positive of this based on this screen grab from that video, that I've just taken today): Begode/GotWay cheaped out as usual IMHO, by going to a No Name, generic $20 Non adjustable, No damping piece of junk for production! What was the point of copying the S18's suspension (which I as well as many know had it's issues early on) but with woefully worse execution, pivot points that will definitely bind, sliders that are already rusty and guaranteed to rust further, poor quality & choice of materials, No bearings, No spacers, Red Loctite everywhere it should Not be and All bolted to a very low quality corroding casting???!!! At least the S18 in it's earlier iterations could be overhauled to achieve a very satisfactory suspension experience, but here there is just too much lacking from an engineering point of view to make that a viable option IMO! Edited December 26, 2021 by fbhb 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Planemo Posted December 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, fbhb said: When Kuji was first seen riding the Hero for Begode, the wheel was shown at that point running a DNM shock! Intetesting! Looks like you are right there! 14 minutes ago, fbhb said: Begode/GotWay cheaped out as usual IMHO, by going to a No Name, generic $20 Non adjustable, No damping piece of junk for production! Yeah thats poor. I appreciate that component parts have gone up in price (I just checked - I paid £70 for a DNM in March and they are £100 now) but relative to the cost of a wheel its peanuts. And I do suspect that the no name shock probably does have damping of sorts built in, but it will be crap at best and obviously non adjustable. But at least one thing is that it appears to be easily replaceable unlike some other wheels. So there is that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyss Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Is the shock absorber in the suspension a standard part than can be replaced with various options, or is it some custom thing? Alien rides are offering a suspension upgrade on their shop, so there's definitely one out there. It's pretty annoying they changed the shock from the initial review. One of the reasons I went for the hero was kuji liking the suspension. At least the dnm shock isn't too expensive. Edited December 27, 2021 by Eyss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) I have a bit of sympathy for Begode here. Clearly the Hero is streets ahead of the usual Begode batteries in a plastic box product with each further iteration being a slightly modified version of parts in the same plastic box. It must have cost Begode at 2 to 3 times more to produce the Hero than say the EXN. Pretty much every part is new. Castings, moldings etc plus all the design ideas (some good , others not so much). Then after they released teaser info every second person on the forums slagged off at them about the price. They must have been thinking, "Damn westerners. They moan about the quality so when we put some money into a new product they moan about the price." I suspect a lot of the poor quality is a result of Begode trying to make the Hero at a price it will be bought. I saw a lot of interesting ideas in the breakdown of the Hero by Ecodrift and Denis Hagov. I couldn't help wondering if Ecodrift got the one they rode into the lake/sea. One thing that intrigued me was how the motor/wheel was connected to the rest (controller,batteries,suspension and rider) via the sliders by only two steel tubes of dubious quality. I have to wonder if that is all you need (and I suspect it is given non suspension wheels only have half a dozen small screws into a plastic shell) then why don't the EUC manufacturers just use some motorcycle forks? Edited December 27, 2021 by DavidB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 6 hours ago, DavidB said: and I suspect it is given non suspension wheels only have half a dozen small screws into a plastic shell If I understand correctly, on non-suspension wheels those small screws have to hold the EUC body (around 20kg), while the rider (60-120kg?) is held by the pedal hangers which attach more or less directly to the axle with properly sized bolts/screws. On a suspension wheel, however, those tubes have to withstand the combined weight (of which the rider is the much heavier one anyway). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyss Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) https://youtu.be/riaslAsy8n8 Alien rides have their video out now. They said they used a dnm 190mm single chamber shock (DNM AO 38?) and that the dual chamber ones didn't fit which was a shame. edit: Looks like: https://www.dnmshock.com/products.php?func=p_detail&p_id=18&pc_parent=13 Edited December 30, 2021 by Eyss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Knowing what we know now, from Ecodrift and EUCSALE teardowns, it's a lot easier to understand the high price tags associated with a tire change and suspension shock swap by @Alien Rides on the Hero. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Not everyone is happy with the new Begode HERO unicycle (problem with suspension on a brand new wheel): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I can imagine someone at the factory just hoped it to be counted as damage in transit… On the other hand, how soft this suspension pipe should be to bend like this (without anything else badly damaged)? Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 minute ago, That Guy said: I can imagine someone at the factory just hoped it to be counted as damage in transit… On the other hand, how soft this suspension pipe should be to bend like this (without anything else badly damaged)? Weird. On the flip side, it was rusty for some so is that steel? Then it could be bent back to shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaon Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 minute ago, That Guy said: I can imagine someone at the factory just hoped it to be counted as damage in transit… On the other hand, how soft this suspension pipe should be to bend like this (without anything else badly damaged)? Weird. I cant see how this would be managed at assembly stage, the bend rod would be hard to install. This looks like caused during transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Yeah, I hear you. But if so, there better be some evidence of a really excessive force applied to the package, otherwise it may be assumed that it is rather fragile?… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Or the wheel fell from a table before being packed up. “Thank goodness there are no marks due to our soft carpet, let’s just pack it up before anyone notices!” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, enaon said: I cant see how this would be managed at assembly stage, the bend rod would be hard to install. This looks like caused during transport. Yep,that would be my verdict as well. Begode will need to put something to stop suspension compression during shipping so the steel tube is completely within the sliders. But that would only solve the "busted on arrival" problem. Looking at the way the pedal hanger sticks out and their connection to the bottom of the suspension tube it looks like the first hit on the side in a crash will bend the tube. I worry about the batteries as well. Edited December 31, 2021 by DavidB correction 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted January 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2022 EKOLA, a Czech seller and service center is, let's stay... not exactly a fan 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) It is as if Begode comes up with a decent concept but the company is unable to execute the idea properly. I like many of the ideas incorporated in this wheel but.... It seems it is sort of rushed to market before being fully sorted. Whereas Kingsong have delayed the release of S20 to make sure they don't have such problems.(hopefully). Edited January 5, 2022 by DavidB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Here's a new EcoDrift article with some pictures of the Hero. It follows their great disassembly video and article. Hero Pictures by EcoDrift 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 12 hours ago, DavidB said: It is as if Begode comes up with a decent concept but the company is unable to execute the idea properly. I like many of the ideas incorporated in this wheel but.... It seems it is sort of rushed to market before being fully sorted. Very true. Half of everything is great, the other half ruins it. And now we have two (or one and a half) companies half-assing EUCs - Begode and Extreme Bull! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Complicated structure + multiple little design overlooks + poor assembly quality = no thanks... I live a thousand km away from the nearest service centre... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, That Guy said: Complicated structure + multiple little design overlooks + poor assembly quality = no thanks... I live a thousand km away from the nearest service centre... You could be describing just about any of the wheels released in the last 2 years. If you don't like gambling, dont buy a new euc, thats for sure. Isnt RollNZ somewhat close to you? I dunno if they do service tho. Sales and service don't always go hand in hand in this industry. Edited January 5, 2022 by ShanesPlanet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 39 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: You could be describing just about any of the wheels released in the last 2 years. If you don't like gambling, dont buy a new euc, thats for sure. Isnt RollNZ somewhat close to you? I dunno if they do service tho. Sales and service don't always go hand in hand in this industry. Yeah, I know, I know. :-) To my current understanding, Abrams may be the simplest/easiest to open and reassemble (minus of course, the first batch gambling)... I think there have been three or four good disassembly videos for Hero so far, all with comments about more complicated construction than average. BTW, RollNZ ( @The Fat Unicyclist ) are great and go above and beyond for their customers - we are spoilt here, but they are not quite next door tho: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 52 minutes ago, That Guy said: RollNZ ( @The Fat Unicyclist ) are great and go above and beyond for their customers 100% agree Kevin and Chrissi are true stars in the EUC industry! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyss Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Anybody here swapped the shock out? Alien rides mentioned he used a dnm 190mm shock but not sure whether you need a ao-rc38 (50mm travel) or a aoy-rc38 (35mm travel). Or does it not matter in this instance? Haven't got my hero yet but should get it in a week so wanting to sort out the upgrades first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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