(New) Gotway " Extreme Bull " Commander leaked datasheet

[gon2fast]

This wheel has some high pedals per the spec sheet LOL.

[Schmudel]

It will be interesting to see how the quality of this thing is if it is made by Extreme Bull. According to GoGeorgeGo’s videos the quality of the K4 is just as bad or maybe worse than the Begode wheels.

[Meserias]

ExtremeBull = BEGODE = GOTWAY ..... is this true ?
I think it is.

[meepmeepmayer]

On 8/13/2021 at 11:26 AM, Meserias said:

ExtremeBull = BEGODE = GOTWAY ..... is this true ?

Update: apparently not, Extreme Bull was a Begode/Gotway brand but might be its own company from now on. See here (end of the post).

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It's always the same company, just different brands.

Started with Kebye (company) and Gotway (Kebye's brand for EUCs). Then for some reason they renamed both company and brand to Begode (this happened right after some Gotway Kebye employees left to form their own rival company LeaperKim with its Veteran brand of EUCs).

The company Begode also released a crazy e-scooter under the "Extreme Bull" brand. Now the company Begode seems to release a EUC under the Extreme Bull brand (the Commander). Who knows what will happen to their Begode brand - either it's dead, or they just run two brands in parallel for whatever reason.

No mysteries here, other than why they keep renaming themselves

Edited August 25, 2021 by meepmeepmayer

[Dominic Winsor]

On 8/12/2021 at 11:37 AM, div said:

If it’s a 18x3 « 20 » inch it could look like a successor of the Sherman. More power, some weight saving from removing roll bars?

(i don’t see where the spec sheet says 20” though)

Wheel diameter: 508mm == Wheel diameter 20"

[xiiijojjo]

 

Found this scrolling FB and as you know i prefer everyone hearing the news so here it is. Let me know what you think.

 

download.jfif

Edited August 13, 2021 by xiiijojjo

[meepmeepmayer]

@xiiijojjoThanks! I merged your topic with the existing thread (badly named, and in the General Discussion forum) and took your (better) title

Edited August 13, 2021 by meepmeepmayer

[Paradox]

Another mention of the Commander.

 

[DjPanJan]

30 degree 3000w 100kg at 20km/h = Im out thx for try i no want another speed oriented motor.

This EUC be weaker like sherman slow speed torque paper says.

Anyway we need all wait to ecodrift dissasembly and see magnets diameters because magnets cant lie!

100 riders 100 tastes i can simply say im out (same like monster pro for me just out).

 

[mhpr262]

"Extreme Bull", dear god they couldnt manage to come up with a more unfortunate name, could they? This will make everyone complete the name as "extreme bullshit" in their heads.

[Rawnei]

1 hour ago, mhpr262 said:

"Extreme Bull", dear god they couldnt manage to come up with a more unfortunate name, could they? This will make everyone complete the name as "extreme bullshit" in their heads.

Moderate Bull just didn't have the same ring to it

[houseofjob]

1 hour ago, Rawnei said:

Moderate Bull just didn't have the same ring to it

[btl]

we can already buy the footplates on Aliexpress

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003168068022.html

[yoos]

ecodrift opened pre-order of a 5-wheel batch of the moderate bull commander at 223k₽ (=2990$=2560€ no warranty) and 238k₽ (=3190$=2740€ with warranty). As usual, taxes included. Delivery expected in october.

[uCmeEUC]

Looks like AlienRides also has a preorder page out for it now. They are estimating March 2022

"This item is almost here and available for pre-order. Pre-order now so you don't miss the next shipment. We are expecting these to arrive roughly around: Mar 2022"

https://alienrides.com/collections/electric-unicycles/products/extreme-bull-commander-electric-unicycle

 

More updates at

https://www.facebook.com/groups/extremebullcommander

Edited August 20, 2021 by uCmeEUC

[Denny Paul]

Looks like eWheels opened up there pre-orders for it too:

https://www.ewheels.com/product/begode-commander-100-deposit/
 

expected end of October/November 

[yoos]

57 minutes ago, uCmeEUC said:

"This item is almost here and available for pre-order. Pre-order now so you don't miss the next shipment. We are expecting these to arrive roughly around: Mar 2022"

"almost here" followed by "Mar 2022" sounds really funny.

[stephen]

I'm liking the 3600wh battery

[Rawnei]

All the stores showing slightly different stats as well, nice, 😂

As a consumer the only sane thing right now is to sit tight and wait.

[FunTech4Real]

On 8/13/2021 at 9:05 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

It's always the same company, just different brands.

Started with Kebye (company) and Gotway (Kebye's brand for EUCs). Then for some reason they renamed both company and brand to Begode (this happened right after some Gotway Kebye employees left to form their own rival company LeaperKim with its Veteran brand of EUCs).

The company Begode also released a crazy e-scooter under the "Extreme Bull" brand. Now the company Begode seems to release a EUC under the Extreme Bull brand (the Commander). Who knows what will happen to their Begode brand - either it's dead, or they just run two brands in parallel for whatever reason.

No mysteries here, other than why they keep renaming themselves

I've found that Chinese companies can often making some good products but they are just terrible at marketing 😂

[houseofjob]

On 8/13/2021 at 9:05 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

It's always the same company, just different brands.

Started with Kebye (company) and Gotway (Kebye's brand for EUCs). Then for some reason they renamed both company and brand to Begode (this happened right after some Gotway Kebye employees left to form their own rival company LeaperKim with its Veteran brand of EUCs).

It's not really different brands.

China has a naming convention for businesses by law, and it is in Chinese (obvious reason), which goes:

[Registered Location] [Company Brand Name] [Company Field of Business] [Company Type]

eg. Shenzhen Kebye Intelligent Technology Co., Ltd.

... but the Company Brand Name is in Chinese, so the translation seldom sounds compelling and/or correct translating it to English, hence for the ex-China international market, companies there will come up with a different, unofficial, but more English-sounding/palatable brand name, which for Kebye is/was Gotway.

Just think about it: if you're selling to the Western market, you don't want your customers/stock investors have an unnecessary hurdle fumbling over what your brand name is exactly called because it sounds foreign/Chinese. Also, all things more English-sounding naturally sound "cooler" to all of Asia, because most dominant legacy main-pop-culture brands (think Nike, Apple, etc.) they've grown up with are typically US/European English names (think of Western fascination with Asian characters), but their English is not necessarily often the greatest to come up with such legit English-sounding names (hence more names that are acronyms, numbers-based, etc.). But contrary to all of this, you also want to rep your home country, proudly demonstrate it is a Chinese company. So these are all the factors in play here.

In the case of King Song, this is more a close-sounding anglicanization derived from the actual Chinese name which is more like Jīn cóng (imagine us trying to call them by that every post/conversation!), which technically means "Golden forest/thicket". Obviously, they didn't want to translate literally and call themselves internationally as "Golden Forest"

For LeaperKim, that is again probably the Chinese direct translation, so they switch to Veteran for the international branding.

I'm not sure why Gotway switched to begode for the international market (guessing a trademark thing), but I've heard they're sticking with Gotway still in the domestic China market (unless something's changed of late).

 

On 8/13/2021 at 9:05 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

The company Begode also released a crazy e-scooter under the "Extreme Bull" brand. Now the company Begode seems to release a EUC under the Extreme Bull brand (the Commander). Who knows what will happen to their Begode brand - either it's dead, or they just run two brands in parallel for whatever reason.

No mysteries here, other than why they keep renaming themselves

Begode is still the Kebye/Gotway ex-China international branding.

The story apparently is, one of Lin's relatives that designed the Extreme Bull K4 scooter, is branching out as a separate company, now coming out with the Commander EUC (not a begode/Gotway product). Apparently this was the same case when Veteran launched, another Lin relative.

And since I said their original brand names are in Chinese, and make more sense in Chinese, that's probably why we get this crazy sounding "Extreme Bull" brand, which will be interesting if they stick with for the outward facing international branding. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by houseofjob

[meepmeepmayer]

@houseofjobWow, fantastic info, thank you! Where did you get it if I may ask

10 hours ago, houseofjob said:

The story apparently is, one of Lin's relatives that designed the Extreme Bull K4 scooter, is branching out as a separate company, now coming out with the Commander EUC (not a begode/Gotway product). Apparently this was the same case when Veteran launched, another Lin relative.

Holy moly! That explains the tons of wheels coming from gotway - it's not just Gotway anymore! So Extreme Bull seems to be Veteran #2, so to speak. They really must have had some disagreements at Gotway how to manage their company (or, less dramatic, just had some different opinions).

So the Hero is a new Begode/Gotway wheel, and the Commander is a new Extreme Bull wheel. Funny how it is quite similar to the Sherman, which is also a "we left from Gotway to build our own wheel" design!

Exciting news! Do you know if this a hard split or two companies maybe using the same facilities/resources and it's like 1.5 companies in reality?

Edited August 25, 2021 by meepmeepmayer

[houseofjob]

26 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

@houseofjobWow, fantastic info, thank you! Where did you get it if I may ask

Not sure if I can say, I can DM you the answer.

 

26 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Holy moly! That explains the tons of wheels coming from gotway - it's not just Gotway anymore! So Extreme Bull seems to be Veteran #2, so to speak. They really must have had some disagreements at Gotway how to manage their company!

Veteran apparently was some fallout, while Extreme Bull is with Gotway's blessing. I'm sure you have disagreement with your relatives too, especially if you are in business with them, no difference here.

 

26 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

So the Hero is a new Begode/Gotway wheel, and the Commander is a new Extreme Bull wheel. Funny how it is quite similar to the Sherman, which is also a "we left from Gotway to build our own wheel" design!

Copying: nothing new to EUC market, as the market was birthed from copying *cough* *SoloWheel* *cough* *then* *cough* *AirWheel* *Gotway* *iPS* *cough*

 

26 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Exciting news! Do you know if this a hard split or two companies maybe using the same facilities/resources and it's like 1.5 companies in reality?

Easy answer, you can see the similarity between Gotway and Veteran Shermona parts alone, down to the BT module. Almost guarantee you all the Gotway offshoots are same  suppliers.

Edited August 25, 2021 by houseofjob

[meepmeepmayer]

3 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

Easy answer, you can see the similarity between Gotway and Veteran Shermona parts alone, down to the BT module. Almost guarantee you all the Gotway offshoots are same  suppliers.

I meant whether it is a completely independent company (never mind the suppliers might be the same) or if they maybe share production (e.g. same battery packs, assembled in the same place, something like that) if it was an amicable split.

[houseofjob]

1 minute ago, meepmeepmayer said:

I meant whether it is a completely independent company (never mind the suppliers might be the same) or if they maybe share production (e.g. same battery packs, assembled in the same place, something like that) if it was an amicable split.

Veteran definitely is an independent company, full split.

Extreme Bull, no clue, all I know is what I said above on them.