INMOTION V12 (pre-release)

[mrelwood]

 

1 hour ago, DjPanJan said:

Bla bla bla nobody need this hard inclines bla bla i read around WRONG because this represent pure power what you need when EUC fall into pothole or root how easy and IF is capable handle dangerous situation.

It’s not that simple. The amount of power available at sub walking speeds and at 40km/h is a very different measure. Take your 16X for example, it softens out after 40km/h and seems to be downright dangerous after 45. Nikola on the other hand keeps going like a champ way further.

 Hill climb steepness is still a good measure, but it just doesn’t tell much about the ability at speed.

 

[Simply_Striking]

So I saw in one of Evx vids that he trollys it and then flicks down the kick stand to park it..... Does the kick stand disengage the motor??  If so i sure hope it can only do that at a stop and not while it is moving...

[Rawnei]

32 minutes ago, Simply_Striking said:

So I saw in one of Evx vids that he trollys it and then flicks down the kick stand to park it..... Does the kick stand disengage the motor??  If so i sure hope it can only do that at a stop and not while it is moving...

It's the same as on the V11, it has no connection to the motor it's just a piece of metal, it stays folded upwards in place by friction in some plastic holders, once you fold it down you have to press the motor disengage button at the handle to angle it downward to park it on the stand.

[Simply_Striking]

42 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

It's the same as on the V11, it has no connection to the motor it's just a piece of metal, it stays folded upwards in place by friction in some plastic holders, once you fold it down you have to press the motor disengage button at the handle to angle it downward to park it on the stand.

Ahh so the motor disengage is a  regular on off, and not a pressure button like on gotways.

[Rawnei]

2 hours ago, Simply_Striking said:

Ahh so the motor disengage is a  regular on off, and not a pressure button like on gotways.

No they function the same, press and hold, when you put the wheel on the rest it will be in an angle so the motor will not engage because of the angle.

[onizukagto]

4 hours ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

Actually inmotions PR rep did mention the v12 would be a sherman competitor during thablackcobras livestream interview. He said it wouldnt quite be as high a speed but would be a sherman competitor. So to me upon hearing that, i assumed it would in the 40 mph and 2700wh+ battery range.  It hit the mark on speed but the battery is smaller than my initial hopes.

Upon release and further reflection, an 1750wh 100v battery makes more sense for competitiveness in the market. It fits a much broader group of riders and keeps the pricepoint down. But that doesnt negate the fact that it fell short of being in the sherman class of wheel. Still a beautiful wheel and will probably sell better than a lackluster sherman wannabee would have though. Naturally enthusiasts wanted inmotion to push the envelope, but they didn't stray from the playbook to far and played it safe which should have been expected.

Q well, if we are going to quote audio sounds bites, from an early Inmotion v11 interviews  Inmotion CEO also mentioned swappable batteries in the V12. 

Point being, things change between early theory PR babble - Nothing is set in stone- until the final production model.

I mean, if we really have to take notice of PR babble, I don't remember any of them to mention a screen on the V12, or that it would be 100V. 

So honestly I don't see why you have to clutch so hard on this so called "Sherman competitor" utterance. Its Inmotion. Not gotway. 

 

[GoGeorgeGo]

1 hour ago, onizukagto said:

Q well, if we are going to quote audio sounds bites, from an early Inmotion v11 interviews  Inmotion CEO also mentioned swappable batteries in the V12. 

Point being, things change between early theory PR babble - Nothing is set in stone- until the final production model.

I mean, if we really have to take notice of PR babble, I don't remember any of them to mention a screen on the V12, or that it would be 100V. 

So honestly I don't see why you have to clutch so hard on this so called "Sherman competitor" utterance. Its Inmotion. Not gotway. 

 

Just explaining where the notion came from in the community. It wasn't unjustified projection. We had an employee of the company that made the claim. Naturally people are going to latch onto that, especially when considering the sherman is the cream of the crop for performance standards in the industry at the moment. Everyone wants to see the next wheel that will push the boundry. Dropping a clear tier below in terms of classification and making a safe release is going to leave some people dissatisfied. Like i said, i fully expected a bigger battery initially. In hindsight a 1750wh makes more sense to compete with the 1800 class of wheels, but its still a letdown from initial hints. 

[Pev junkie]

This may be on my radar for my next wheel BUT am I the only one who is a little  disappointed that it's only a 16" wheel?  I would really be excited if it was a 19" Maybe  it won't  matter?

[monkeytacos]

31 minutes ago, Pev junkie said:

BUT am I the only one who is a little  disappointed that it's only a 16" wheel

Having only experience on a 16" wheel (the v8f), what are some differences between wheel sizes? are larger wheels more stable? Are there more benefits?

I keep reading about people cannot see a 16" wheel going 70KPH, just wondering why.

Thanks!

[Chaotropic]

48 minutes ago, Pev junkie said:

This may be on my radar for my next wheel BUT am I the only one who is a little  disappointed that it's only a 16" wheel?  I would really be excited if it was a 19" Maybe  it won't  matter?

yea i kinda wish the V11 and V12 had a fat love child.

[Scottie888]

2 hours ago, monkeytacos said:

Having only experience on a 16" wheel (the v8f), what are some differences between wheel sizes? are larger wheels more stable? Are there more benefits?

I keep reading about people cannot see a 16" wheel going 70KPH, just wondering why.

Thanks!

IMO in general, the 16" gains in nimbleness & likely more instant get go but loses in high spd stability & slight comfort. Much as in life, its a case of win some lose some.

[Kekafuch]

5 hours ago, monkeytacos said:

Having only experience on a 16" wheel (the v8f), what are some differences between wheel sizes? are larger wheels more stable? Are there more benefits?

I keep reading about people cannot see a 16" wheel going 70KPH, just wondering why.

Thanks!

Comparing V8F 2.125” wide tire and the V10F 2.5” tire ... made a huge difference in stability feel. 

Now Sherman at 3” wide and 20” diameter, is on another level yet.

but they are still unicycle on a small contact patch so relatively nimble. Hard to explain but I feel the Sherman is quite capable. 
 

V10F is still nice but when it’s a tighter space. 
 

The V12 being 3” wide is likely morestable than the V10F. Not exactly sure if the diameter will add to it in stability but the diameter helps with dampening bumps for sure. 

 

 

[UniVehje]

2 hours ago, Kekafuch said:

Comparing V8F 2.125” wide tire and the V10F 2.5” tire ... made a huge difference in stability feel. 

Now Sherman at 3” wide and 20” diameter, is on another level yet.

but they are still unicycle on a small contact patch so relatively nimble. Hard to explain but I feel the Sherman is quite capable. 
 

V10F is still nice but when it’s a tighter space. 
 

The V12 being 3” wide is likely morestable than the V10F. Not exactly sure if the diameter will add to it in stability but the diameter helps with dampening bumps for sure. 

 

 

Sherman is of course an 18x3" wheel just like MSX, MSP, RS, EX, V11 and S18. There are no 19" or 20" tires on these wheels, they are all marked 18x3" or 2.75-14. Only the Monster has a larger diameter than that. 

Then there are 16x3" wheels, 16X, V12 and Nikola. This is noticeably bigger tire than 16x2.5" and a different class. The 16x2.125" wheels are also very different from that. Comparing sizes should always count the width as it makes a big difference. A bigger diameter is better for high speed cruising but I don't think there's any reason why a 16x3" wheel couldn't do high speeds well. It's not a small tire. But if high speed riding is the main purpose, then the larger wheels suit better. Still a matter of taste. 

[PLEASE_DELETE]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel a whole lot of difference between my Nik+ & V10 in handling.  Maybe I don't go fast enough  (rarely over 30km/h).

[Mango]

7 hours ago, UniVehje said:

Sherman is of course an 18x3" wheel just like MSX, MSP, RS, EX, V11 and S18. There are no 19" or 20" tires on these wheels, they are all marked 18x3" or 2.75-14. Only the Monster has a larger diameter than that. 

If you do a straight measure of the Sherman’s tire of the outer diameter, it is roughly 19.75”. Likewise on the v10, the tire size diameter is 16.5”.

[UniVehje]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

If you do a straight measure of the Sherman’s tire of the outer diameter, it is roughly 19.75”. Likewise on the v10, the tire size diameter is 16.5”.

Sure, but the point is that the others are the same diameter. It makes no sense calling some wheels 18" and some 20". Either all the 18x3" wheels are 20" wheels or not. Sherman is not different size (well, the knobby version is a bit larger). Similarly it makes no sense talking about a 16" category without always mentioning the width. 16x3" is vastly different than 16x2.125". They are definitely not the same category. On the other hand, talking about the real diameter is also confusing as the markings on the tire don't match. I suggest we always just mention the marking on the tire and not mix sometimes real diameter and sometimes not. Talking bout 18", 19" and 20" wheels when they all are the same size (apart from 18x2.5") is not helpful. 

[floki]

Am I the only one that absolutely hates the weird boxy design? Also it seems to lend itself to 'bowed' leg riding when watching the youtube videos? Is that accurate give in its height and boxy uppers? 

[Mrd777]

5 minutes ago, floki said:

Am I the only one that absolutely hates the weird boxy design? Also it seems to lend itself to 'bowed' leg riding when watching the youtube videos? Is that accurate give in its height and boxy uppers? 

I agree with you. I’m more attracted to the performance and waterproofing qualities then the aesthetics of this wheel. The front fender area under the light is really ugly!

[xSAMCOx]

Lol to me it looks like the ips 5 lost bigger brother  

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by xSAMCOx

[evX_Mick]

On 5/5/2021 at 8:11 PM, Chaotropic said:

Is there any information on how the speed throttles as the voltage drops? V11 is 34.1 mph to 80% and 30 mph down to... actually I dont even know. 

The speed throttle begins at 80% and is linear from there all the way down to 15%. So at 16% you can still hit 32mph. Then it’s a huge drop off. 

[wheel-life]

On 5/5/2021 at 4:46 PM, conecones said:

Dang, I really hoped this was going to be a "Nikola Killer" as advertised, but it is basically the same torque and barely higher top speed (but need to ride tilt back to reach)? InMotion in 2021 still can't(or won't) beat a 2019 Gotway in performance for the same wheel size category? :/ Seems like they are still sticking with their tradition of having their flagship a few years behind Gotway's in pure performance. If Gotway refreshes the Nik+ it's almost certain it will beat the V12 in speed/torque/range as their refreshes always increase performance no matter what else is sacrificed. V12 is more like a KS16X killer IMO, as there's literally no reason to get the 16x now even if its a little cheaper. I guess the only upgrade from a Nikola is going to be those quality of life improvements, which may matter to some new buyers but probably not as much for existing Nikola owners since there's no real difference in performance.

I think you're right on the money with that statement. I've been using the 16X since late last summer as my first wheel and this season I'm starting to get to the point of seriously considering an upgrade to 100V that would give me plenty of safety cushion for my frame (200+ lbs). I don't like pushing the 16X over 40kph unless it's early in the ride but the V12 has plenty of room to spare beyond that. Really thought I'd be getting a suspension wheel next but this might work for me for this season even though I don't like the looks at all, might grow on me yet.

[Flying W]

I agree it's not the most attractive wheel out there, but how a wheel rides is so much more important to me that I don't base much of decision on looks. 

My dad's been wanting an 18xl but I think this would a better choice for him. 

[Mike Roe]

On 5/5/2021 at 11:57 AM, evX_Mick said:

about 40 miles

I never had an NDA, not even a handshake. I'm just a good mensche lol. 

Would You say the range is very close to the 16x? 
All these eucs have unrealistic reported range, and it’s hard to compare. Having less range then the 16x would be a deal breaker for me as I’m not a speed demon. 

[mrelwood]

On 5/5/2021 at 11:46 PM, conecones said:

Dang, I really hoped this was going to be a "Nikola Killer" as advertised, but it is basically the same torque and barely higher top speed (but need to ride tilt back to reach)? InMotion in 2021 still can't(or won't) beat a 2019 Gotway in performance for the same wheel size category? :/

Why would they? It’s not like every new car is faster than the previous models either. The V12 could be a Nik killer even if it was slightly slower and less powerful. There are also other aspects that make a good vehicle or an EUC.

 It’s all about priorities. If the absolutely only thing you care about is speed, then you need to stay with Microsoft/GW/Sherman. But if you are buying a complete product and want it to be a joy to use, seems that considering Apple/V12 is worthwhile. Seems pretty clear that in other categories the V12 has the Nik very easily beat.

 

On 5/5/2021 at 11:46 PM, conecones said:

quality of life improvements, which may matter to some new buyers

Exactly. Trying to design a product that Nikola owners would switch to sounds a bit pointless, since no matter how much better the product would be in every way, very few Nik users would buy a wheel from the same size category anyway.

I don’t think “Nikola killer” means “a must buy for Nikola owners”, but “a must buy instead of the Nikola”.

[AtlasP]

15 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Trying to design a product that Nikola owners would switch to sounds a bit pointless, since no matter how much better the product would be in every way, very few Nik users would buy a wheel from the same size category anyway.

I don’t think “Nikola killer” means “a must buy for Nikola owners”, but “a must buy instead of the Nikola”.

Money quote.

In the fervent desire/pursuit of "better/faster/longer" it's like everyone forgets how product categories/price categories work.