INMOTION V12 (pre-release)

[floki]

Am I the only one that absolutely hates the weird boxy design? Also it seems to lend itself to 'bowed' leg riding when watching the youtube videos? Is that accurate give in its height and boxy uppers? 

[Mrd777]

5 minutes ago, floki said:

Am I the only one that absolutely hates the weird boxy design? Also it seems to lend itself to 'bowed' leg riding when watching the youtube videos? Is that accurate give in its height and boxy uppers? 

I agree with you. I’m more attracted to the performance and waterproofing qualities then the aesthetics of this wheel. The front fender area under the light is really ugly!

[xSAMCOx]

Lol to me it looks like the ips 5 lost bigger brother  

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by xSAMCOx

[evX_Mick]

On 5/5/2021 at 8:11 PM, Chaotropic said:

Is there any information on how the speed throttles as the voltage drops? V11 is 34.1 mph to 80% and 30 mph down to... actually I dont even know. 

The speed throttle begins at 80% and is linear from there all the way down to 15%. So at 16% you can still hit 32mph. Then it’s a huge drop off. 

[wheel-life]

On 5/5/2021 at 4:46 PM, conecones said:

Dang, I really hoped this was going to be a "Nikola Killer" as advertised, but it is basically the same torque and barely higher top speed (but need to ride tilt back to reach)? InMotion in 2021 still can't(or won't) beat a 2019 Gotway in performance for the same wheel size category? :/ Seems like they are still sticking with their tradition of having their flagship a few years behind Gotway's in pure performance. If Gotway refreshes the Nik+ it's almost certain it will beat the V12 in speed/torque/range as their refreshes always increase performance no matter what else is sacrificed. V12 is more like a KS16X killer IMO, as there's literally no reason to get the 16x now even if its a little cheaper. I guess the only upgrade from a Nikola is going to be those quality of life improvements, which may matter to some new buyers but probably not as much for existing Nikola owners since there's no real difference in performance.

I think you're right on the money with that statement. I've been using the 16X since late last summer as my first wheel and this season I'm starting to get to the point of seriously considering an upgrade to 100V that would give me plenty of safety cushion for my frame (200+ lbs). I don't like pushing the 16X over 40kph unless it's early in the ride but the V12 has plenty of room to spare beyond that. Really thought I'd be getting a suspension wheel next but this might work for me for this season even though I don't like the looks at all, might grow on me yet.

[Flying W]

I agree it's not the most attractive wheel out there, but how a wheel rides is so much more important to me that I don't base much of decision on looks. 

My dad's been wanting an 18xl but I think this would a better choice for him. 

[Mike Roe]

On 5/5/2021 at 11:57 AM, evX_Mick said:

about 40 miles

I never had an NDA, not even a handshake. I'm just a good mensche lol. 

Would You say the range is very close to the 16x? 
All these eucs have unrealistic reported range, and it’s hard to compare. Having less range then the 16x would be a deal breaker for me as I’m not a speed demon. 

[mrelwood]

On 5/5/2021 at 11:46 PM, conecones said:

Dang, I really hoped this was going to be a "Nikola Killer" as advertised, but it is basically the same torque and barely higher top speed (but need to ride tilt back to reach)? InMotion in 2021 still can't(or won't) beat a 2019 Gotway in performance for the same wheel size category? :/

Why would they? It’s not like every new car is faster than the previous models either. The V12 could be a Nik killer even if it was slightly slower and less powerful. There are also other aspects that make a good vehicle or an EUC.

 It’s all about priorities. If the absolutely only thing you care about is speed, then you need to stay with Microsoft/GW/Sherman. But if you are buying a complete product and want it to be a joy to use, seems that considering Apple/V12 is worthwhile. Seems pretty clear that in other categories the V12 has the Nik very easily beat.

 

On 5/5/2021 at 11:46 PM, conecones said:

quality of life improvements, which may matter to some new buyers

Exactly. Trying to design a product that Nikola owners would switch to sounds a bit pointless, since no matter how much better the product would be in every way, very few Nik users would buy a wheel from the same size category anyway.

I don’t think “Nikola killer” means “a must buy for Nikola owners”, but “a must buy instead of the Nikola”.

[AtlasP]

15 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Trying to design a product that Nikola owners would switch to sounds a bit pointless, since no matter how much better the product would be in every way, very few Nik users would buy a wheel from the same size category anyway.

I don’t think “Nikola killer” means “a must buy for Nikola owners”, but “a must buy instead of the Nikola”.

Money quote.

In the fervent desire/pursuit of "better/faster/longer" it's like everyone forgets how product categories/price categories work.

[onizukagto]

On 5/9/2021 at 11:04 AM, mrelwood said:

I don’t think “Nikola killer” means “a must buy for Nikola owners”, but “a must buy instead of the Nikola”.

Agreed. Also is it just me, or are most or all of the comments complaining about the V12 and its comparison to the Nikola, from Gotway "Speed demon" Lovers/Rider?

Just me? ok. 

[Rawnei]

38 minutes ago, onizukagto said:

Agreed. Also is it just me, or are most or all of the comments complaining about the V12 and its comparison to the Nikola, from Gotway "Speed demon" Lovers/Rider?

Just me? ok. 

"Are most of the defensive comments about the V12 from Inmotion lovers?" See how that rhetoric can be thrown around both ways. 😂

Some of the critique is based on disappointment over what Inmotion said about their upcoming wheel, they said they were going to make a Veteran competitor but it's not, they claim it's a 70kmh wheel but it tilts back much earlier than that so it's just a number on a paper, people complaining about those things are legit disappointed because Inmotion set some expectations and really if it doesn't make a difference for you why are you bothered by other people being disapointed. 😉

[WaveCut]

On 5/9/2021 at 12:06 AM, xSAMCOx said:

Lol to me it looks like the ips 5 lost bigger brother  

 

Ks18a

[mrelwood]

2 hours ago, Rawnei said:

they claim it's a 70kmh wheel but it tilts back much earlier than that so it's just a number on a paper, people complaining about those things are legit disappointed because Inmotion set some expectations

While the battery size being a disappointment is surely easy to understand, but the speed aspect I don’t quite grasp. Evx said in his reviews that the tilt-back starts earlier, but that he was able to reach the advertised max speed. So it’s definitely not just a number on a paper.

 How can that be disappointing? I don’t think there are vehicles that can practically sustain the max speed, in any vehicle class, let alone EUCs. If 70km/h max speed made people expect a sustainable travel speed of 70km/h, their expectations were simply misguided and unrealistic.

 And yes, it’s way past my comfort zone too. But the same goes for my common travel speed of 45km/h. I would never expect a wheel with a top speed of 45km/h to be sufficient for a comfortable or practical 45km/h travel speed. Just like I wouldn’t expect a car with a top speed of 120km/h to be able to comfortably cruise along the highway at 120km/h.

Edited May 10, 2021 by mrelwood

[Zopper]

17 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

While the battery size being a disappointment is surely easy to understand, but the speed aspect I don’t quite grasp. Evx said in his reviews that the tilt-back starts earlier, but that he was able to reach the advertised max speed. So it’s definitely not just a number on a paper.

Unless I misheard him or he corrected himself in a later video, he said that he got close, but not to 70, because of the tiltback. I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post, though.

[jimjam.nyc]

2 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

While the battery size being a disappointment is surely easy to understand, but the speed aspect I don’t quite grasp. Evx said in his reviews that the tilt-back starts earlier, but that he was able to reach the advertised to speed.

 How can that be disappointing? I don’t think there are vehicles that can practically sustain the max speed, in any vehicle class, let alone EUCs. If 70km/h max speed made people expect a sustainable travel speed of 70km/h, their expectations were simply misguided and unrealistic.

 And yes, it’s way past my comfort zone too. But the same goes for my common travel speed of 45km/h. I would never expect a wheel with a top speed of 45km/h to be sufficient for a comfortable or practical 45km/h travel speed. Just like I wouldn’t expect a car with a top speed of 120km/h to be able to comfortably cruise along the highway at 120km/h.

I think people got caught up in the "maketing hype" behind this wheel.. It was teased out to be some sort of (insert performance wheel name) killer. I think realistically this was never, and still is not a performance wheel killer.. To me, its just another option in the performance category. 

It is funny to me, because all though i like the fact it has its higher top speed, etc.. I am looking much more fwd to the customization features and other things. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[UniVehje]

8 minutes ago, jimjam.nyc said:

I think people got caught up in the "maketing hype" behind this wheel.. It was teased out to be some sort of (insert performance wheel name) killer. I think realistically this was never, and still is not a performance wheel killer.. To me, its just another option in the performance category. 

It is funny to me, because all though i like the fact it has its higher top speed, etc.. I am looking much more fwd to the customization features and other things. 

I think so, too. It's already the fastest 16x3" wheel. It's actually pretty impressive to achieve those speeds on a smaller diameter tire as RPM is the limiting factor on current motors. I think most riders don't even need speeds higher than 50 km/h. I kind of understand the disappointment for some. But seems like the wheel gets drowned by negativity because the expectation was to beat some easy-to-understand numbers in spec sheet from different price category. For me the V12 is exciting because of all the other features, like customisation etc. I'm very much expecting Inmotion to make an 18x3" suspended variation of the V12. 

[Rawnei]

The V12 discussions feels reminiscent to the V11 discussions, any negative critique is frown upon and rationalized away while the positive aspects gets hyped. You can like a wheel but still have completely valid negative critique those two things are not mutually exclusive, it's not black and white, there is no real benefit in picking sides and taking a blind stance for a manufacturer. 😉

It will for sure be interesting to see more impressions when the V12 is out in the wild.

[EUChristian]

11 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

The V12 discussions feels reminiscent to the V11 discussions, any negative critique is frown upon and rationalized away while the positive aspects gets hyped. You can like a wheel but still have completely valid negative critique those two things are not mutually exclusive, it's not black and white, there is no real benefit in picking sides and taking a blind stance for a manufacturer. 😉

It will for sure be interesting to see more impressions when the V12 is out in the wild.

Spot on the money, this is exactly how the V11 discussion went down. 

In my opinion, Inmotion will never "kill" anything, because that requires stepping out of their wheelhouse...inmotion prides on safety and reliability so don't look to them to innovate on speed or power. My opinion of course. 

[jimjam.nyc]

9 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

The V12 discussions feels reminiscent to the V11 discussions, any negative critique is frown upon and rationalized away while the positive aspects gets hyped. You can like a wheel but still have completely valid negative critique those two things are not mutually exclusive, it's not black and white, there is no real benefit in picking sides and taking a blind stance for a manufacturer. 😉

It will for sure be interesting to see more impressions when the V12 is out in the wild.

I just feel like that is how the internet works these days unfortunately. Every time a new wheel comes out, the brand specific channels have this back and forth on things.

Obviously there will be some negative aspects of this wheel. While you can compare this directly to things like nik+, etc.. Expecting an inmotion wheel to behave like a begode is not really a negative.. Its just a personal preference.. 

It Might be a negative in a personal preference sort of way, but not in a review of a product sort of way.. Not sure if i am explaining this correctly.. but i just dont see the v12's current top speed and tilt back as a knock against it.  It may be a reason for someone not to buy it, but it is in no way a negative thing in my opinion

 

 

[UniVehje]

I hear a lot of disappointments over a pretty great new wheel and that's perplexing. I'm included in those who are disappointed in the release as it was not a wheel for me. I'm only now starting to see that it is actually a very good wheel, just in it's own category. The worst thing happening to the V12 release was Liam's talk about Sherman comparison before it was even close to finalised. Otherwise nobody would not even think about comparing specs to a totally different size and price category. And a lot of the discussion here is by enthusiasts who are already looking for bigger wheels. We just haven't got any new great big wheel release this spring and that brings the disappointment when the V12 wasn't what we were looking for. It's a shame since in its own category the V12 seems to be the best wheel ever made, just a bit ugly. 

There are probably many valid negative aspects on it. But not being a Sherman should not be one of them, in my opinion. 

 

[mrelwood]

@UniVehje’s recent posts almost made a reply from me pointless, I fully agree with everything he wrote. But only almost... 

1 hour ago, Rawnei said:

The V12 discussions feels reminiscent to the V11 discussions, any negative critique is frown upon and rationalized away while the positive aspects gets hyped.

I don’t see that behavior much at all. “Any negative...” is definitely not true, as for example the looks and the lack of realistic launch dates or other detailed information from Inmotion are often critiqued, and I don’t see anyone defending.

And if a critique can be “rationalized away”, I’m not sure if the critique was very rational or founded in the first place.

 

1 hour ago, Rawnei said:

You can like a wheel but still have completely valid negative critique those two things are not mutually exclusive, it's not black and white, there is no real benefit in picking sides and taking a blind stance for a manufacturer. 😉

I most definitely wasn’t and aren’t doing that. The V12 is quite far from being a wheel I’d even use. I think the wheel looks horrible, launch organization is a disaster, the features are totally ass-backwards for the Inmotion lineup, etc... My point was simply that criticizing the max speed doesn’t seem very rational. It’s almost if one was criticizing the V12 for not having an actual 16” outer tire diameter despite being marketed as a 16” wheel.

[Heyzeus]

2 hours ago, UniVehje said:

I hear a lot of disappointments over a pretty great new wheel and ...

I think it's really cool and I think in motion deserves credit (at least if it pans out) for being better about waterproofing especially of the batteries.  I think that's a very important thing that's often neglected by others in the past.

 

The only reason I'm not selling my ACM2 and jumping all over this wheel is because I kind of want to see what the next iteration of inmotions suspension wheel will be first (and because I never early adopt) and I don't absolutely need a new wheel yet. Do I want it, oh yeah, but do I need it, noooo 🙁, so I will wait and see what we've got coming out around December. V13 with similar specs to this wheel and a suspension system, mmmm

[Camenbert]

I think this V12 is great, a super MCM5 for quick city commutes.

Le Périphérique (the highway around Paris) is limited to 70kph, and they plan to limit it to 50 soon, so going 60 is more than enough.
As a long-living motorcyclist, it's known that injuries get worst over 50kph (also the speed limit in town), so back-tilt at 60, I dont see the problem.

This V12 seems to target the mass users that want good quality built and 10-15kph room for safety reason. The hooligans might indeed be deceived.

 

[RockyTop]

EVX said that the Nikola and V12 are comparable. They both go 38 MPH as tested by EVX. The Nikola is a bit tougher and the V12 is more nimble with lots of extras. Not really a Nikola killer but in his opinion better than the Nikola. .............. Correct me if I am wrong the Nikola only claims 35 MPH and goes 38 MPH while the V12 claims 43.5 MPH and only goes 38 MPH. ...... I believe that is a quality issue. 

Edited May 10, 2021 by RockyTop

[Scottie888]

Wow wheels that perform lesser than what the mfgrs claims. Am I & Gomer Pyle the only ones here thats yelling surprise! surprise! surprise! LOLz

Seriously, who cares which is better or whos the killin who or whos the boss. I'm happy that there's new power player in this segment. If the V12 steals sales, then it would only serve to light a grenade under the sleepy asses of those others to come up with their own bombs ... errr figuratively ofcos. 

This can only bode well for us👍