techyiam Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 43 minutes ago, EMA said: 50E or 40T , not an easy choise to me right now Why is that? Are you contemplating whether it is worth the extra cost, or whether you could make use of the higher discharge rate (or other possible benefits if any) of the 40T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, techyiam said: Why is that? Are you contemplating whether it is worth the extra cost, or whether you could make use of the higher discharge rate (or other possible benefits if any) of the 40T? higher discharge is nice but is also something you do not use all of your riding-time, until some riding test will come out it's just a guess imho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizra6ot Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 8 hours ago, alcatraz said: That's interesting. I'm curious if you think a current limit has ever led to an accident? If I were a heavier rider in a group ride I'd be concerned. The only listed case other than the @RagingGrandpa specific one that I could see that was close to this limit or had reached it was the stress test 100V Msx or Msp pushing a car for several minutes a few years ago, difficult to match in classic situation no matter the weight in my opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 23 hours ago, supercurio said: Since this video was published again, this time on YouTube I left a comment to ask their thinking: Comment: What is the purpose of this test, and what is it intend to simulate? It appears you are testing the motor/controller against an unspecified amount of rolling resistance, which is between the 2 metallic rollers and the tire at unknown tire pressure. Is it a test of the balancing algorithm stability at higher speeds? One thing this test demonstrates is that that the Begode Master cannot sustain balancing a rider at 100km/h - 61 mph, since the power demand required from the aero drag will be vastly higher than the rolling resistance in this test. The author of the video (Begode rep.) replied: Quote This is just a not rigorous test. Okay then 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted March 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, alcatraz said: is the current limit pack dependant or is it simply to protect the board? Simply to protect the board. The controller measures motor current directly, and if it exceeds a threshold, the controller begins limiting its output. This is what determines the maximum stall torque of the EUC ("the most torque it can create at a standstill"). Different EUC's are tuned differently... the threshold could be a fixed value always; or a function of speed; or temperature; or whatever else the firmware developer designs. Sorry that we don't have direct information here- all we can do is connect current measurement instruments and log the behavior during our own tests. If you use a larger/stronger/better battery with the same controller, the controller remains the bottleneck, and so peak torque (e.g. stall torque) does not change. 7 hours ago, EMA said: 50E or 40T , not an easy choise to me right now I think you have a great understanding, but for the sake of the larger group I'll say: 40T is better if you want to win a 5 mile race against a daredevil on a similar EUC. 50E is better if you want more range overall. (I would choose 50E...) Edited March 3, 2022 by RagingGrandpa 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, EMA said: 50E or 40T , not an easy choise to me right now On Master, I would pick 40T no doubt for two main reasons: Low voltage sag beneficial to maintaining high speeds on the torque motor 40T appears to be among the cells most resilient to extraordinary abuse as reported by @goatman, which I guess from description would significantly reduce the risk of battery fire despite: dumb BMS, not being connected to the mainboard and of questionable robustness. Edited March 3, 2022 by supercurio 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Just posted by @Afeez Kay . Looks like the small fenders are going to leave a lot of dirty wheels. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKW Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 What is the expected range to be on the begode master? By "normal" riding standards? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 5 hours ago, bkw said: What is the expected range to be on the begode master? By "normal" riding standards? Normal is quite different for many of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 At 40-50 km/h a vast majority of the energy is wind resistance. Weather conditions and the rider's frontal area are going to change from day to day/owner to owner. Look at the range between an RS and an EX.N, for someone your size. Speedyfeet report ranges they've deliberately tried to make as short as possible, and they run the wheels down to 0%. You can't get a more honest answer. They're usually ridiculously short. Like the manufacturer specs 100km and they run the battery empty in 33km. (as an example). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Brahan Seer Posted March 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Slight change to bumpers.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Brahan Seer said: When i saw.. I saw this. xD Edited March 12, 2022 by Funky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) The blue is growing on me but not mixed with the red lower pads. Not sure if it is an optical illusion but the rear battery case looks buckled in this photo. I see the rear of the seat has taken a hit. I would expect 36kg wheel landing upside down from a tumble would transfer a fare bit of compression load to the cases. It seems the trend now is to use the cases as structural elements. I guess Chance and Mike Leahy will let us know if that is viable for their type of riding. Wheel Riders Store is advertizing these for US$2580 so you could afford to add some bracing. I often wondered why they just didn't bolt on some motorcycle front forks and chuck the shock and linkages. I guess cost and needing to fit a central trolley handle had something to do with it. But it does looks like they heading that way ... Given that Ekola and EcoDrift were shocked at the poor quality slider tubes of the Hero ( rust) and Kevin of EUC Upgrades found a tube of his Hero bent and suspension seized out of the box this obviously still can be improved. Well at least it is a much cleaner design than the S20. It even looks like you may be able to drop the wheel out quickly by removing 4 screws each side a la Reccio wheel. I do note that all the studio promotional shots have the suspension bottomed out. It looks weird being so tall. I guess if you ditched the suspension you could probably have a wheel some kgs lighter than a V12 but with more power and range. Edited March 12, 2022 by DavidB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, DavidB said: I do note that all the studio promotional shots have the suspension bottomed out. It looks weird being so tall. I guess if you ditched the suspension you could probably have a wheel some kgs lighter than a V12 but with more power and range. Unfortunately, these 2 photos ARE not of the Begode Master and are actually of the Begode EX20S just to clear up any misunderstanding that may occur, as these photos were originally shown long before the Master was even revealed by Begode! The Master will have a different upper structure than can be seen in these photos above, which are designed to carry both of the HUGE EX20S battery packs via bolts through the top of the battery pack mounts and lower down via the triangular plates at the pedal hangers. Please compare the shape of the laser cut Top battery mount plates and the Triangular Bottom mount plates with these much clearer EX20S images below: The video below, posted about 4 posts back briefly shows the difference in the upper structure/suspension pivot point attachment that the Master will have in comparison: Edited March 13, 2022 by fbhb 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Thanks fbhb for clearing that up. When I first saw those frames and wheels lined up in the Begode factory that was exactly my thoughts as well. They certainly looked like EX2 and not Master but given that it was on a Wheel Riders Store video promoting the Master I convinced myself they must be using similar frames and the production version Master frame was different from the prototypes being tested. Edited March 13, 2022 by DavidB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Will we be seeing someone unboxing/testing the pre-production of the Begode Master soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Grimm10 said: Will we be seeing someone unboxing/testing the pre-production of the Begode Master soon? Sorry to have to say it, but unfortunately there has Never been such a thing as a pre-production Begode/GotWay wheel! Begode will do All their testing in house (the Full extent of which, is unknown), then release their EUC's to the community to deal with/put up with any initial issues that may be found - then at some point re-iterate/upgrade the said model as they see fit. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonatheCat Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I put in a pre-order for this wheel. I think the black version looks awesome. Sounds like it may arrive in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onkeldanuel Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 I thought mass production start in about 2 weeks with expected arrival in May according to some eu Dealers...i ve put a preorder too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Grimm10 said: Will we be seeing someone unboxing/testing the pre-production of the Begode Master soon? According to Jack ex-Kingsong in his YouTube Channel, Electric Dreams, under the Community tab, he posted a day ago that he has ridden the Begode Master. In the comment section of that post, he stated that he will be releasing a review video soon. The post was terse so no idea which version of the Master Jack test rode. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, techyiam said: According to Jack ex-Kingsong in his YouTube Channel, Electric Dreams, under the Community tab, he posted a day ago that he has ridden the Begode Master. I believe this was the post @Jack ex-KS aka Electric Dreams posted on YouTube recently: Electric Dreams 14 hours ago"Tried the Begode Master, K6 as well as the EX20S. In terms of the Master, I'm thoroughly impressed. There are a few things from my short test yesterday that needs correcting and overall a very pleasant experience." Edited March 15, 2022 by fbhb 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonatheCat Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 hours ago, onkeldanuel said: I thought mass production start in about 2 weeks with expected arrival in May according to some eu Dealers...i ve put a preorder too You might be right about eu arrivals. I put mine in through AlienRides which is a place in California and they're saying August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onkeldanuel Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 I dont know but usually us is faster than eu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, onkeldanuel said: I dont know but usually us is faster than eu And that was before the special military operation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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