Gotway Monster Pro

[EMA]

3 hours ago, citadelfox said:

stability, range, acceleration?

bigger wheel give

more stability ( on a 22'-24' usually you feel the same sensation with 10-12kmh more than a 19' )
less acceleration
range is a bit more becouse of battery size

[Mike Sacristan]

Some riders in the group simply prefer the bigger wheels. I spent a whole day on the Monster Pro last year. 110km and the battery was down to 30%. My EXN felt like a toy afterwards. A bigger wheel is a bigger wheel with all it implies. Like going from a 16X or Nikola to an EX. The EXN is smaller feeling than the EX. The Monster Pro is definitely bigger feeling than the EX or Sherman. My riding weight in this clip was 150 lbs. The pads left a lot to be desired. Some good foot locks would have done the trick.
 

 

[Nivel]

I have 1300 + KM/s on my Monster Pro, the first 500-600 km/s I had a reaaaallyy big issues with corners (enduro tire), the damn thing stays leaned after you take the corner , however like I said - with time your muscle memory will improve and everything will become natural.

So after I got used to my monster pro I tried my 16X, oh boy, it was a nightmare ;D, the wheel felt so wobblely and instable I just couldn't ride it anymore since my muscle memory precision was adapted to the Monster specs..

[Greg X]

it would be very interresting to compare riding feeling on euc 22" (monster/abrams) vs 24" (monsterPro). 

Noone did it yet, or maybe You know some comparissions like this ?

Are here any riders who changed monster v3 for m.Pro? If yes maybe You write more about differences in comfort, steering, city riding, offroad....

[Planemo]

5 hours ago, Nivel said:

So after I got used to my monster pro I tried my 16X, oh boy, it was a nightmare ;D, the wheel felt so wobblely and instable I just couldn't ride it anymore since my muscle memory precision was adapted to the Monster specs..

Sounds similar to when I tried riding my Z10 after the Sherman. I literally couldnt ride it. Bear in mind that I used to be very confident on the Z and could throw it around at will. But I might get on it once or twice a year now (its my daughters) and I simply cant ride it so I usually give up after a couple of minutes. Its amazing how differently EUC's ride. Its all do-able for sure, but the muscle memory really does stick. I really do give kudos to people like @Marty Backe who hop from one wheel to the next without seemingly even thinking about it. I would need at least a day to adjust. That said, my transition/adjustment from an MSX to the Sherman wasnt nearly as pronounced. We all know the Z is a really odd handling beast but even so, its almost like I had to learn how to ride all over again!

[Tawpie]

5 hours ago, Nivel said:

So after I got used to my monster pro I tried my 16X, oh boy, it was a nightmare

hop on an MTen! Fortunately, I don't have too many wheels yet (is there really any such thing as 'too many'?) so I get on all of them on a regular basis and the transition isn't too difficult, but it's absolutely an eye opener for the first few moments!

[Denny Paul]

5 hours ago, Greg X said:

it would be very interresting to compare riding feeling on euc 22" (monster/abrams) vs 24" (monsterPro). 

Noone did it yet, or maybe You know some comparissions like this ?

Are here any riders who changed monster v3 for m.Pro? If yes maybe You write more about differences in comfort, steering, city riding, offroad....

I own and ride both the v3 and the pro regularly. What do you want to know about it?

Overall it's similar effects from stepping from a 20" to a 22" inch wheel. More stability, better at handling bumps, better at holding a line through a corner without having keep pushing on the inside pedal. Heavier, slower to accel/brake, more effort to accel/brake, more effort to initiate a turn, more of a workout than smaller wheels etc.

[Scottie]

2 hours ago, Planemo said:

8 hours ago, Nivel said:

So after I got used to my monster pro I tried my 16X, oh boy, it was a nightmare ;D, the wheel felt so wobblely and instable I just couldn't ride it anymore since my muscle memory precision was adapted to the Monster specs..

Sounds similar to when I tried riding my Z10 after the Sherman. I literally couldnt ride it. Bear in mind that I used to be very confident on the Z and could throw it around at will. But I might get on it once or twice a year now (its my daughters) and I simply cant ride it so I usually give up after a couple of minutes. Its amazing how differently EUC's ride. Its all do-able for sure, but the muscle memory really does stick. I really do give kudos to people like @Marty Backe who hop from one wheel to the next without seemingly even thinking about it. I would need at least a day to adjust. That said, my transition/adjustment from an MSX to the Sherman wasnt nearly as pronounced. We all know the Z is a really odd handling beast but even so, its almost like I had to learn how to ride all over again!

Same here. After being on the Mten3 for 30 minutes or so, I decided to get right the Monster V2. Even after being proficient on the Monster, the Mten3 ruined my reflexes for the Monster. Then I quickly tried the 16X and it felt more manageable, but it felt much more like the Monster.

I have noticed that if I ride only one wheel each day, they will feel natural and what I remember. That "reflex ruining" is a short term thing for me.

 

2 hours ago, Tawpie said:

hop on an MTen! Fortunately, I don't have too many wheels yet (is there really any such thing as 'too many'?) so I get on all of them on a regular basis and the transition isn't too difficult, but it's absolutely an eye opener for the first few moments!

Nope. Well ... maybe, if there is no space to keep them.   It is like asking if a car has too much horsepower. As you say, "It depends"  ... on who you ask! 

I noticed that you said "yet".

[Greg X]

i found nice photo monster v3 vs monsterPro

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14 hours ago, Denny Paul said:

I own and ride both the v3 and the pro regularly. What do you want to know about it?

Overall it's similar effects from stepping from a 20" to a 22" inch wheel. More stability, better at handling bumps, better at holding a line through a corner without having keep pushing on the inside pedal. Heavier, slower to accel/brake, more effort to accel/brake, more effort to initiate a turn, more of a workout than smaller wheels etc.

thanks for sharing. More plzzzz, its very interresting , almost noone else own simultaneously both Monster 22" and MonsterPro 24" to compare it.

- how about light offroad (forrest or field hard tracks)? 

- there is very big difference in weight, 28kg vs 41kg, do You feel it while riding, turning, offroad? Maybe heavier wheel causes any difficulties, problems for You?

- How about passive tire "suspension" on road (small bumps), is there any difference between both models?

- How do You feel on both in the city, on small bicycle lanes or pavements between pedestrians, dont know if 24" is not too big for it

- is it possible to carry monsterPro up the stairs, f.e. 3rd floor? and how about carry it upstairs to the train or bus?

- which one do You like more and why?  which one is more comfortable?

- if You could own simultaneously only 1 euc, which one would You choose as a universal, multipurpose wheel, for long travels outside city, but also for city rides ?

- do You think upcoming premiere of monsterPro HT will be significant upgrade vs HS version? Is this motor modification desired in this model, in Your opinion?

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Greg X

[Darrell Wesh]

8 hours ago, Greg X said:

i found nice photo monster v3 vs monsterPro

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thanks for sharing. More plzzzz, its very interresting , almost noone else own simultaneously both Monster 22" and MonsterPro 24" to compare it.

- how about light offroad (forrest or field hard tracks)? 

- there is very big difference in weight, 28kg vs 41kg, do You feel it while riding, turning, offroad? Maybe heavier wheel causes any difficulties, problems for You?

- How about passive tire "suspension" on road (small bumps), is there any difference between both models?

- How do You feel on both in the city, on small bicycle lanes or pavements between pedestrians, dont know if 24" is not too big for it

- is it possible to carry monsterPro up the stairs, f.e. 3rd floor? and how about carry it upstairs to the train or bus?

- which one do You like more and why?  which one is more comfortable?

- if You could own simultaneously only 1 euc, which one would You choose as a universal, multipurpose wheel, for long travels outside city, but also for city rides ?

- do You think upcoming premiere of monsterPro HT will be significant upgrade vs HS version? Is this motor modification desired in this model, in Your opinion?

 

I had the monster V3 for almost two years and have had the monster pro for two months. I have the Michelin tire on the monster pro now which has dramatically improved it over stock tire which was actually rather good anyway. 
 

-Monster pro light is brighter then monster V3 but the same garbage since it’s pointed so low it’s barely useable at night. 

-The weight is very noticeable. The monster V3 was just sluggish but weighed no different then my Nikola or MSX. When I had the Sherman for a year, I used the monster V3 so getting used to the Sherman weight was no big deal. It felt easy to adjust to it. But the monster pro is completely different. The weight and sheer size makes it very unnerving for first time users because it takes total effort and bracing the core to use it. But the weight gives it much more stability on the road. Offroad it’s more difficult to manage, especially with any hills.

-The stock tires felt fairly the same over bumps. Still had that basketball rebound effect. The weight though and hollow motor made it feel like I was on a cloud while the monster V3 did not have that feeling. In fact I thought the MSX felt more comfy then the monster V3. When I swapped to the Michelin tire the rebound stopped and bumps got softer and the monster pro REALLY felt like on a cloud and like I was on a motorcycle not a wheel.

-Compared to V3 I thought the V3 had more agility because of its much less weight and effort to turn it. So quicker reactions to things going on in the city. But the monster pro stock tire could also do 180’s on a dime and so was actually on par with the V3 in tight spaces. 

-Monster pro is heavy but doable up stairs. I’m pretty strong though. Wheels like the commander, Sherman and abram with no center handle are absolutely the WORST to carry upstairs. You have to use two hands, it’s too awkward with one and even with both hands it feels heavier then one handing the monster. 
 

-Monster pro is easily the better monster especially with Michelin pilot tire. Infinite feeling of power and range

-Nikola 2700wh. 16” is perfect size. Monster pro takes too long to brake to feel perfectly confident in the city like you can with a 16”

-If you want high torque why tf are you getting a monster? Stupid money grab attempt. 

[Denny Paul]

10 hours ago, Greg X said:

More plzzzz

- how about light offroad (forrest or field hard tracks)? 

• Sure, both can do it. But it wouldn't be what I reached for. If you're just trying to connect routes and it's an overall consistant road you'll be fine on either. If you want to have fun on it, look for a different wheel. v3 is a bit fragile for tumbles, pro is much too heavy to have fun. Both would benefit from more torque in this setting.

- there is very big difference in weight, 28kg vs 41kg, do You feel it while riding, turning, offroad? Maybe heavier wheel causes any difficulties, problems for You?

• Yes. The v3 still rides more or less effortlessly once you get used to it. At speed you're able to turn at will without breaking a sweat. On the monster pro I don't know if its the weight or the gyroscopic effect (probably both) but you need to put ALL of your weight, yes all of it, to initiate a turn quickly. This makes a fun challenge, and eventually confidence inspiring due to the stability. But it is a workout.
• Off-road is not where these wheels shine. I don't do off road really.

- How about passive tire "suspension" on road (small bumps), is there any difference between both models?

• Sure, but the difference is all in the tire. I don't like the stock tire, it bottoms out too easy on big potholes. But that means it's softer and will mellow out smaller bumps. Also note that the monster v3 true tire diameter is 22.5" whereas the monster pro is 23.5" -The difference is not a huge change, but is significant.

- How do You feel on both in the city, on small bicycle lanes or pavements between pedestrians, dont know if 24" is not too big for it

• I never understood this wish of wanting a more portable wheel for the city. If you work on your technique you can get a wheel to spin like a coin, so who cares what it's turning radius is.
• in a bike lane your width is the main measurement that counts. all eucs are thin enough to be in bike lanes comfortably
• braking and accelerating is more effort. you'll need to increase your awareness and plan ahead more. But it's up for the job if you are. It's not ideal for the city because of this reason mostly. And perhaps the weight if you're carrying it around. And the trolley handle isn't great. But just like offroading, if you want to use it for this sometimes, it's fine. But if you're buying this wheel to be mostly an inner city 25mph max speed wheel, then you're not making a smart choice.
• if I go grocery shopping for a quick trip, I grab the v3 since its lighter and better at quicker acceleration and deceleration for the city.

- is it possible to carry monsterPro up the stairs, f.e. 3rd floor? and how about carry it upstairs to the train or bus?

• I think this is a question to ask yourself really. Can you lift 100 pounds in one hand comfortably for a small time? 
• I live on the 2nd floor, no elevator. The stairs are luckily outdoor concrete, so I leave the wheel on, lift, and bump up them each time. Easy enough for days I take it out.

- which one do You like more and why?  which one is more comfortable?

• They're different. Its like asking which you like more, a hammer or a wrench? I like both and will grab the right tool for the job
• Monster pro has a better ergonomic shape, but is wider. monster v3 has a sharp corner at the top, but is thinner. You can fix a bad shaped wheel with good placement of foam pads, you can't fix wideness. The v3 for me is more comfortable.

- if You could own simultaneously only 1 euc, which one would You choose as a universal, multipurpose wheel, for long travels outside city, but also for city rides ?

• Neither wheel is a great all rounder. The monster v3 is lacking range for me, I get only 25 miles before I'm in the lower 1/3 of my battery worrying about charge. For the inner city, that's enough for a week. For a fun day riding that's like 45 mins. Monster pro has the range and speed, but it's close to 100 pounds and has no convenience built in compared to other wheels. Will you be okay muscling it around all the time? Still more convenient than a scooter. If so, no problem. For me, I want the monster pro and a smaller city wheel like an mcm5 or a 16x. 

- do You think upcoming premiere of monsterPro HT will be significant upgrade vs HS version? Is this motor modification desired in this model, in Your opinion?

• I'll go as far as saying that is misinformation. Begode has no intention of making a true HT version of the monster pro. they say it defeats the purpose originally intended for the mPro which is high speed stability. There are a few out there claiming that the HT version is already released, but these seem to be an isolated yet vocal couple of people. Perhaps the new motor is harder to overpower than the original one. I can't say, I don't have both versions to simultaneously compare to.
• is it desired? Sure. But by very few, it's a niche (EUC) in a niche (24" giant heavy wheel) in a niche (HT). The Veteran Abrams is intending to fill this demand. I wanted the abrams originally, but it seemed so much like a quality dice roll that I got the monster pro. In the end I'm happy with my purchase since the abrams will always have less battery, but I'll keep my eyes open for a used abrams.  
• If they ever make a HT version, and that's a very big if, but if they do expect a 20% drop in top speed. That would be consistent with history. Also, that would be consistent with the motors begode continues to stock (c30 vs c30 -both small bore hollowcore). That would make the mpro beep at 40mph instead of the 50mph now on more full battery. I kind of agree with begode --That would defeat the purpose of this wheel.

[Darrell Wesh]

5 hours ago, Denny Paul said:

That would make the mpro beep at 40mph instead of the 50mph now on more full battery. I kind of agree with begode --That would defeat the purpose of this wheel.

When you put that motorcycle tire on let me know what your monster beeps at. With my cut off test I lost about 1.5mph with the heavier Michelin tire. I also heard it beep at 48 ish mph today when before I hit 50 and heard no beeps on stock tire. 

[Mrd777]

3 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said:

I also heard it beep at 48 ish mph today when before I hit 50 and heard no beeps on stock tire. 

Obviously you are talking app speed not gps speed. There is quite a difference. 45 mph on the app is a 40 mph gps on my latest Pro. I’ll get an exact percentage difference this weekend.

[Darrell Wesh]

3 hours ago, Mrd777 said:

Obviously you are talking app speed not gps speed. There is quite a difference. 45 mph on the app is a 40 mph gps on my latest Pro. I’ll get an exact percentage difference this weekend.

Interesting mine is only 3mph off at 50mph

Edited February 9, 2022 by Darrell Wesh

[MexicanBatman]

Ok so I just got what I’m told is latest MP24 

 

just arrived from Gotway to my seller and shipped to me, green board new motor etc…

 

anyway Free spin 104km/h

 

and actual wheel speed Vs accurate not phone gps is off 9% 👎

 

anyway I can not set tiltback at any speed using either Darknessbot or the Begode app

what’s the deal, I’d really like to set tiltback 

 

[Nick McCutcheon]

2 hours ago, Trevor Phillips said:

Ok so I just got what I’m told is latest MP24 

just arrived from Gotway to my seller and shipped to me, green board new 

Green board? Did they decide to go back to a board that can't receive updates through the app, or are they just now using green solder mask again on their "black boards"?

[Denny Paul]

7 hours ago, Nick McCutcheon said:

Green board? Did they decide to go back to a board that can't receive updates through the app, or are they just now using green solder mask again on their "black boards"?

my mpro from ewheels came with a green board and is able to do firmware updates. 

[Mrd777]

14 hours ago, Trevor Phillips said:

and actual wheel speed Vs accurate not phone gps is off 9%

Tested today, with the latest Pro available on a garmin gps , I got a difference of 11% ( everyone thinks they’re are going 50 + lol).
The Pro is an amazing wheel, speed up to 35 gps mph in an instant. Switched the tire to a Michelin City Pro, excellent upgrade!

 

[Yvan]

I have the first version of the mpro with a 90/90-18 tire the correction is rather - 7% with this tire bigger than the original one.

[Nick McCutcheon]

5 hours ago, Denny Paul said:

my mpro from ewheels came with a green board and is able to do firmware updates. 

Interesting. You'd think after how much trouble they went through to develop new boards only refered to as "the black boards", they would keep them that way  

[Unipilot69]

All of my wheels came with over zealous speed readings. My RS was the least out of range. At least EucWorld and Darknessbot have settings to correct speed and distance. The Begode app doesn't allow any speed corrections. I only use the Begode app for firmware updates for my Monster Pro and EX.N. I wish Gotway/Begode would have the firmware files for download and then we all could use either EucWorld or Darknessbot.

[Bizra6ot]

On 2/12/2022 at 2:03 AM, Mrd777 said:

Tested today, with the latest Pro available on a garmin gps , I got a difference of 11% ( everyone thinks they’re are going 50 + lol).
 

 

They know it but uncorrected it looks better for youtube and instagram

[MexicanBatman]

12 hours ago, Bizra6ot said:

They know it but uncorrected it looks better for youtube and instagram

Darknessbot have speed correction

 

so you can subtract speed so it’s accurate 

 

or you can add it and be the boss and show off your 90km/h monster cruising down the road

[EMA]

1 hour ago, Trevor Phillips said:

Darknessbot have speed correction

Do Darknessbot has speed and distance correction separated like EUC World ?

my friend told me can correct the speed but not the distance, is it possible ?

[Unipilot69]

I have EucWorld and it has the ability to adjust the distance separately from speed. I haven't tested the distance accuracy yet.