Ninebot One Z : Z6-Z8-Z10

[kasenutty]

I don't think a guy riding into a big ass hole and another guy shooting his wheel down some steps is huge proof of major bugs. That kinda stuff happens to everyone sometimes. I think you guys are analyzing short video clips way too hard. The videos just look like people laughing and goofing off. Doing silly things like riding into a big hole and trying to haul ass down some stairs. I think it will work just fine. 

[mrelwood]

2 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

I don't think a guy riding into a big ass hole and another guy shooting his wheel down some steps is huge proof of major bugs.

I think asshole should be without a space in between.

[kasenutty]

LOL, I wasn't saying asshole, I was saying bigass hole I guess. It would be slang for a large hole I suppose

 

You aren't just trying to get me in trouble again are you?  

Edited October 12, 2017 by kasenutty

[mrelwood]

4 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

You aren't just trying to get me in trouble again are you?  

Nope, just needed today's dose of laughter! 

[mezzanine]

I was reading the french forum and someone made the observation that the biggest design advantage of the wide tire choice by Ninebot is in the ability to use lower tubeless tire pressure compared to our conventional wheels. 

It seems possible to me that we may underestimate the improvement in riding comfort that this wheel will represent.  It may even be similar to adding a pair of a shocks to the current generation of wheels. 

[mezzanine]

[mrelwood]

12 hours ago, mezzanine said:

It seems possible to me that we may underestimate the improvement in riding comfort that this wheel will represent.

I agree, waiting eagerly for the first proper reviews on the actual production model.

Although, while playing with a few 16” * 2.5” tires I noticed that the flattest profile of them was a bit laborous to get to turn at a travel speed. It wants to stay upright, so I have to tilt my body more than the wheel. I can imagine a 4” tire to be quite a drag regarding this.

[EUCMania]

Ninebot 1 Z is said to have dual sets of hall sensors to reduce the chance of mis-cync. Do not know how this is done. I guess it may need 3 sets and use majority rule to ignore the one that mis-fires. 

Anyway, NB1Z should be my next EUC if the wide tubeless tire can indeed act like a suspension.

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by EUCMania

[Scatcat]

14 hours ago, mrelwood said:

I agree, waiting eagerly for the first proper reviews on the actual production model.

Although, while playing with a few 16” * 2.5” tires I noticed that the flattest profile of them was a bit laborous to get to turn at a travel speed. It wants to stay upright, so I have to tilt my body more than the wheel. I can imagine a 4” tire to be quite a drag regarding this.

The profile seems to be quite rounded, just like the typical mc-scooter tyre.

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

1 hour ago, EUCMania said:

Ninebot 1 Z is said to have dual sets of hall sensors to reduce the chance of mis-cync. Do not know how this is done. I guess it may need 3 sets and use majority rule to ignore the one that mis-fires. 

Anyway, NB1Z should be my next EUC if the wide tubeless tire can indeed act like a suspension.

 

That will be handy!   Even though my Ninebot One E+ has been rock solid, hall sensor problems seem to pop up every now and then on other wheels.  Considering how cheap the sensors are it just makes sense to have some redundancy there.  I just hope it doesn't introduce a weak spot where adding some complexity ends up with more issues to deal with.  It could be that a few extra sensors are added and that if some fail the wheel can still function fine with a minimum of three sensors working.  Or maybe they have two pairs of three sensors in a group.  If any of the three fail, the wheel automatically switches to the backup group.

[mezzanine]

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Looks like the Ninebot Z series isn't going to be released until March if speculation on the french forum is true.  I think that's when Jason said the 18L will be released, too. 

A couple of posters there are convinced about the tubeless design being a big step forward for EUCs.  The ability to run at much lower pressure being the design advantage that they're excited about. 

 

[Vik's]

4 hours ago, mezzanine said:

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Looks like the Ninebot Z series isn't going to be released until March if speculation on the french forum is true.  I think that's when Jason said the 18L will be released, too. 

A couple of posters there are convinced about the tubeless design being a big step forward for EUCs.  The ability to run at much lower pressure being the design advantage that they're excited about. 

 

Agreed. Ninebot using tubeless tires on MiniPro already with success. So tubless tires in EUC department is a positive step up.

[Kael]

6 hours ago, mezzanine said:

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Looks like the Ninebot Z series isn't going to be released until March if speculation on the french forum is true.  I think that's when Jason said the 18L will be released, too. 

A couple of posters there are convinced about the tubeless design being a big step forward for EUCs.  The ability to run at much lower pressure being the design advantage that they're excited about. 

 

That's going to feel like a long wait. Easily 6-8 months until most consumers will get their hands on either wheel. I'd love something with longer range in the interim but it seems more sensible to just save up instead. I also imagine the UK sticker price on the Z10 will sting a bit.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Kael

[Scatcat]

When I bought my Inmotion V3C I almost immediately happened upon one of the problems of tubed tyres. As a newbie I had the lowest "allowed" pressure in the tyres, and probably went just under the minimum. The consequence was that the tyre moved a bit on the rim, and the tube with it. Suddenly the valve started sticking out a bit and I couldn't get it flush with the wheel, which of course led the bloody thing to slam against the shell on every revolution - luckily without sticking. I realised what had happened pretty fast, and deflated/fixed/inflated the tyres.

When I got my GT16 I started wondering why every MFG chose tubed tyres. They're heavier, not any more resilient, and have problems with low pressures, pinch flats and whatnot.

As I see it, going to a bit wider tyre and going tubeless is a natural progression. It will be interesting to see how it affects rolling resistance and range, but my suspicion is that the negatives will be marginal.

41 minutes ago, Kael said:

That's going to feel like a long wait. Easily 6-8 months until most consumers will get their hands on either wheel. I'd love something with longer range in the interim but it seems more sensible to just save up instead. I also imagine the UK sticker price on the Z10 will sting a bit.

I expect it to sting A LOT...  

[cloudust]

7 hours ago, mezzanine said:

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Looks like the Ninebot Z series isn't going to be released until March if speculation on the french forum is true.  I think that's when Jason said the 18L will be released, too. 

A couple of posters there are convinced about the tubeless design being a big step forward for EUCs.  The ability to run at much lower pressure being the design advantage that they're excited about. 

 

Could you share which French forum you visit? Do they discuss a lot about ONE Z? Thank you.

[mezzanine]

@cloudust espritroue.fr is the site of the french forum I've been referencing.  I may try to spy on south korean forums if I can get the translator to work.

@Kael It's quite a wait when you consider that we saw what looked like an advanced prototype and marketing information in early August.  Keep in mind, this is just a rumour based on a link I can't get to copy/paste with the translator.  If this represents a delay, the chances of a further delay are very possible.

The price is the big (depressing) question for me.  There's a good chance it's released in 4-5 months, but that I don't end up owning it for a year.   

@Scatcat Even in my short time riding I've learned the significance of tire pressure on performance and comfort.  I was riding similar to you with low pressure without even realizing it due to a lack of PSI indicator when I first got the wheel.  I can't remember if it was mentioned here, but one implication of the 4" wide tire is that it's also proportionately taller than other wheels.  I've been giving a lot of thought to the possibility that the tire width will have negative performance trade offs that outweigh it's advantages and I arrive at the same conclusion as you; I'm betting that the advantages are greater. 

[Stanor]

try to translate the contents of the link into English. with Google translation of the Chinese content of the link in French, it is understandable, but horrible to read. so, I do not know if it will be the same in English. good luck 

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5273970117?lp=5028&mo_device=1&is_jingpost=0&bdid=&referer=partner.tieba.com&pn=30&

[EUCMania]

On 11/2/2017 at 10:35 AM, Stanor said:

try to translate the contents of the link into English. with Google translation of the Chinese content of the link in French, it is understandable, but horrible to read. so, I do not know if it will be the same in English. good luck 

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5273970117?lp=5028&mo_device=1&is_jingpost=0&bdid=&referer=partner.tieba.com&pn=30&

In the following, I omitted those sentences with just adjectives.. Only translate those with substances. 

Ninebot One Z是纳恩博独轮系列中的旗舰版，延续Segway双余度高安全性血统，是俊美与野性结合的高性能独轮车，再一次颠覆独轮平衡车的设计和性能！

Ninebot 1 Z is the flagship... It inherits Segway's dual redundancy safety design...  

Ninebot One Z采用进口高倍率动力电池组，容量前所未有，续航持久。超大功率电机，马力强劲，时速35 -45km/h，满电续航40-100km（三款车型详细情况参照底部参数表），电机双霍尔备份，能够减少摔车风险，提升整车安全性。

....Extra powerfull motor...... dual sets of backup hall sensors to increase safety.  ((Me: So there are 3 sets of hall sensors? Me:  Another source said to have >120Nm torque ).

Ninebot One Z采用全新超大宽胎设计，直径18寸、宽4.1寸，兼顾性能和体验，在高速下可更稳定行驶。颜值爆表的实力派，碾过所有地形，唯一的限制只是你的驾驶技术！
全新宽胎从抓地力、越野性能、稳定性、故障率和承重上都具卓越优势。这是首次在独轮平衡车上应用真空轮胎技术，可避免遇到扎胎情况并避免频繁充气。

Tire size = 18*4.1 inch....This is the first time tubeless tire is used on an EUC. It is good in both performance and comfort. It makes high speed ride more stable. It will roll over all terrain, with the only limit being your driving skill! (Me: OK, It is like a tank )

The new tire is superior for traction, off-roading, stability and weight bearing. It reduces the chance of puncturing. It avoids the need to inflate frequently. 
 
Ninebot One Z有两个3W高亮前置照明灯，照射距离达8-10米，照射宽度达3-5米，轻松穿破前方黑暗，夜间骑行安全无忧，同时2W红色刹车尾灯可主动进行安全提示。有别以往而精心设计在轮胎外侧的轮毂氛围灯酷炫十足，上万种色彩随心改变，DIY你的骑行时光。

Ninebot One Z has 2 front light of 3W each.  It shines 8-10 meters ahead, 3-5 meters wide. It has 2W rear light which gives safety hints. The ring light on the sides.......

Ninebot One Z新增强大的音效功能，配备独立扬声器与多种音效包，你可以通过手机APP来自定义音效效果。一边欣赏沿途中的美丽风景，一边感受骑行中的律动感吧！

Ninebot One Z's new features include  powerful sound effect, with independent speakers and sound effect packages.  You can define the sound effect via phone APP.....(Me: So I can make it sound like a car? a motor cycle? and the sound effect is related to my driving/braking speed? Woooom Woom?)

新增一体式显示屏，可显示电量、蓝牙和限速模式，时尚美观。

Another new feature is unified display showing remaining charge, blue-tooth and speed mode.

Ninebot ONE Z系列产品由不同材质壳体区分，并采用砂纸防滑的镁压铸踏板，防滑效果出众。模块化设计更方便拆卸，可自由拆卸挡泥板由三个安装固定点保证稳固可靠，一根铝型材件保证强度，并避免出现晃动和共振现象。此外，电池盖也可轻松拆卸更换。

Ninebot One Z .... uses magnesium pedals with excellent anti-slip sand paper. Modular design makes replacing parts easy... The mud guard is fixed by ...yet strong and avoid vibration and resonance. The battery cover is easy to replace.

Ninebot One Z可通过蓝牙连接到你的手机App，不仅能查看骑行状况，随时调试机身参数，实现故障诊断，还可进行个性化的设置和随时随进行云端固件升级，不断提升驾驶体验。
 

Using Ninebot One Z APP, you can check machine status, adjust parameters at any time, conduct real-time diagnosis...... (Me: Real-time diagnosis. Can it tell me whether it is time to replace which battery cell? or hall sensor? or warn me about a loose screw?)

Ninebot One Z设计有标配拉杆，伸缩后高度可达90cm，符合80%的人群使用，方便外出拉行，上面也可附加其他物件进行DIY设计。整车防水等级为IPx5，电池防水顶级为IPx7，无惧各种恶劣天气。防护套装配件：侧面软胶、顶部软胶和提手软胶，保护壳体同时提升骑行舒适度。

Ninebot One Z has the pull handle in the standard package ( vs, optional accessory), on which you can add other stuff for DIYers ... Water proof for whole machine = IPx5. Battery water proofing = IPx7

Accessories include pad for side, top and handle... 

Edited November 3, 2017 by EUCMania

[EUCMania]

In another Chinese forum post, the poster said that 9B is still working on to make the dual sets of hall sensors to work in harmony, and 9B is adding new features. I guess this means delay. 

[Stanor]

if i understand google translation well, the marketing of Ninebot Z will be in march ?

 

[Scatcat]

The redundancy features like extra hall sensors working "in harmony" might explain some of the suspected bugs we've seen. Unless there is a clear way to distinguish which sensor gives the correct output in all situations, things may get "interesting"...

The jury's still out on this one AFAIC, Ninebot haven't exactly shined since the E+. But it the torque levels are indeed high and they get the bugs ironed out, it may become a quantum leap. A big fear though is that the price tag will give me heart palpitations. 

[meepmeepmayer]

@EUCMania Many thanks for the translation.

Sounds like a perfect wheel except for the battery sizes and price!

[Scatcat]

Just now, meepmeepmayer said:

@EUCMania Many thanks for the translation.

Sounds like a perfect wheel except for the battery sizes and price!

I do hope the price stops below $2.5K, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Kael]

37 minutes ago, Scatcat said:

The redundancy features like extra hall sensors working "in harmony" might explain some of the suspected bugs we've seen. Unless there is a clear way to distinguish which sensor gives the correct output in all situations, things may get "interesting"...

The jury's still out on this one AFAIC, Ninebot haven't exactly shined since the E+. But it the torque levels are indeed high and they get the bugs ironed out, it may become a quantum leap. A big fear though is that the price tag will give me heart palpitations. 

If it truly is a quantum leap forward, safe and bug free I'm willing to drop the big bucks on one. I mean, e-bikes aren't exactly cheap either. 

[fubar925]

I just want to know price and release.... Im sold im100% in but I would like to know price!