Ninebot One Z : Z6-Z8-Z10

[Ch.Eng.62]

34 minutes ago, Turbocharged said:

And anyway I think using an electric unicycle on snowy or icy environment is not a good idea... 

I agree. I try this winter to ride 9B1 E+ and found it is disaster. To much snow stuck to my shoes and the pedals become extremely slippery. Really the snow was not fresh but from the previous day

[Marty Backe]

51 minutes ago, Turbocharged said:

I would not recommend a Z6 which has only a single battery, So it does not has the same safety redundancy as the dual battery system in a Z8/10. Also a Z6 is almost as heavy as a Z10 (23+ vs. 25),  The performance to weight ratio isn’t as good.

I love riding around on a One Z, but I have to admit it is not as smooth or comfortable as its competitors, some cases does not turn as well as its competitors, the performance isn’t much better in most scenarios if not worse... but the riding experience on a One Z is just so much different from any other wheel I have tried, totally unique! Consider the way I use EUCs, I should be better off choosing a V10F, but after I tested one for a few days,  I find myself bored very quickly.

Although I am seeing a lot of quick reviews giving praises to Z‘s performance. Personally I still consider the Z more as a fun wheel instead of a performance wheel. Like riding a Ducati Monster for years and now adding a Harley Davidson to your gaerage.

And anyway I think using an electric unicycle on snowy or icy environment is not a good idea... 

Well said. And when given the choice, at this point I will choose one wheel over another based on its uniqueness. The Z10 is a perfect match for me.

[fbhb]

20 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Well said. And when given the choice, at this point I will choose one wheel over another based on its uniqueness. The Z10 is a perfect match for me.

I take it the EWheels demo Z10 is probably on it's way/shortly on it's way to you by now, since Chooch has most likely done all his evaluation?

Edited July 8, 2018 by fbhb

[The Fat Unicyclist]

51 minutes ago, fbhb said:

I take it the EWheels demo Z10 is probably on it's way/shortly on it's way to you by now, since Chooch has most likely done all his evaluation?

I don't know... If I sent you an awesome new wheel for free (without a time limit), how long would you keep it for, before sending it on?

If it were me it would be maybe be months?

[fbhb]

2 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said:

I don't know... If I sent you an awesome new wheel for free (without a time limit), how long would you keep it for, before sending it on?

If it were me it would be maybe be months?

Yeah, you got an extremely valid point there! Chooch was really enjoying that last "off road" session in the hills, since letting enough air out to get the best performance. On hindsight, my last post makes no sense at all?

[The Fat Unicyclist]

It is actually quite interesting... With such a wide tyre, the air pressure can be much lower... So how does that affect your ride?

Perhaps we need to get a demo unit out here in New Zealand to see how it compares!

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, fbhb said:

I take it the EWheels demo Z10 is probably on it's way/shortly on it's way to you by now, since Chooch has most likely done all his evaluation?

I hope so. He's had it for almost two weeks. The shipping label to send it to me was created Thursday, but he hasn't sent it yet. Must. Have. Patience.

[fbhb]

1 minute ago, Marty Backe said:

I hope so. He's had it for almost two weeks. The shipping label to send it to me was created Thursday, but he hasn't sent it yet. Must. Have. Patience.

Created the label on Thursday you say, I think Chooch is  just teasing you and he's still riding it! ?

[Turbocharged]

4 hours ago, fbhb said:

Created the label on Thursday you say, I think Chooch is  just teasing you and he's still riding it! ?

He is still riding it.?

I have different experiences... but he gives a very nice and thorough review!

Edited July 8, 2018 by Turbocharged

[Esash]

9 hours ago, Turbocharged said:

I would not recommend a Z6 which has only a single battery, So it does not has the same safety redundancy as the dual battery system in a Z8/10. Also a Z6 is almost as heavy as a Z10 (23+ vs. 25),  The performance to weight ratio isn’t as good.

I love riding around on a One Z, but I have to admit it is not as smooth or comfortable as its competitors, some cases does not turn as well as its competitors, the performance isn’t much better in most scenarios if not worse... but the riding experience on a One Z is just so much different from any other wheel I have tried, totally unique! Consider the way I use EUCs, I should be better off choosing a V10F, but after I tested one for a few days,  I find myself bored very quickly.

Although I am seeing a lot of quick reviews giving praises to Z‘s performance. Personally I still consider the Z more as a fun wheel instead of a performance wheel. Like riding a Ducati Monster for years and now adding a Harley Davidson to your gaerage.

And anyway I think using an electric unicycle on snowy or icy environment is not a good idea... 

Winter/snowy/icy riding is very different from regular riding, with very different priorities for wheel traits. I'm talking about riding around at 5-8 mph around the neighborhood a few times and coming back inside. Turning ability isn't important, because turning on ice is very dangerous and requires slowing down to about 2-4 mph. But for the straight stretches of pavement, the big 18", 4" wide Z series wheel at 10-15 psi air pressure is going to be much more stable than other wheels for winter riding.

Imagine being stuck under snow and ice for 4 straight months. Ideal riding conditions has nothing to do with it. It's just about being able to get outside and putt around for a few minutes to keep the cabin fever under control and get some fresh air.

Plus, in arctic conditions you're bundled up with like 3 pairs of pants, including puffy snow pants and a puffy jacket, in addition to whatever other protection you're wearing. So even falling down repeatedly at 5-8 mph speed is no big deal. It's just playing in the snow. 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Scouts Honor

[Turbocharged]

58 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

Winter/snowy/icy riding is very different from regular riding, with very different priorities for wheel traits. I'm talking about riding around at 5-8 mph around the neighborhood a few times and coming back inside. Turning ability isn't important, because turning on ice is very dangerous and requires slowing down to about 2-4 mph. But for the straight stretches of pavement, the big 18", 4" wide Z series wheel at 10-15 psi air pressure is going to be much more stable than other wheels for winter riding.

 Imagine being stuck under snow and ice for 4 straight months. Ideal riding conditions has nothing to do with it. It's just about being able to get outside and putt around for a few minutes to keep the cabin fever under control and get some fresh air.

Plus, in arctic conditions you're bundled up with like 3 pairs of pants, including puffy snow pants and a puffy jacket, in addition to whatever other protection you're wearing. So even falling down repeatedly at 5-8 mph speed is no big deal. It's just playing in the snow. 

   

We tried different wheels on a frozen lake last winter, most of them are alright going in a straight line, and all of them can't make a steady turn, just like you said. It's ok just for the fun of it, but it is not reliable enough to be a mean of transportation. and after watching Chooch's review, I tried 10-15 psi with a Z on tarmac... I don't know, I couldn't make it turning the way I'd like at low speed, but it does feel more comfortable and stable at higher speed. Maybe 10-15 would work on gravel/sand/snow better overall. I'm a 82 kg guy, I also worry about damage the rim jumping curbs with such a low pressure setting.

And I pump up to 18 psi, and I like better. and weirdly I don't feel that "artificial pull" @houseofjob and I discussed before at 20-25 psi range. I'll ask ninebot engineers on Monday about riding with pressure so low, see if there will be any negative effect to the tire or rim.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Turbocharged

[Nic]

On 6/13/2018 at 3:11 PM, Keith said:

As @WARPed1701D, said above, this was discussed in April and then the thread taken down. @RoberAce started that thread, you may want to P.M. him to discuss?

 @RoberAce had an email from Segway/Ninebot Europe BV you might want to discuss with him? 

What we did know at that time was that we appear to have no date for when the Ninebot Z range will apply for European CE approval.

I would also discuss timescales and pricing with Speedyfeet who should be on the ball with what Ninebot are up to with this range.

Im not going to say anything more than this.

Now you've got me worried...

I just paid the £1000 pre-order on my Z10 last week ... the price looked amazing and I really struggled to justify even spending this much. I was a little worried by the bank transfer thing, especially as my bank checked the receiving account and said that it was a personal account and not a business account. The chap I was in touch with at theninebot.co.uk was Dominic and he has yet to reply to my emails asking him to confirm the transfer or expected delivery of my Z10. I am hoping it all goes well and I do actually receive my Z10 as promised. The website appears legit, which is why I went through with placing my order. Please someone tell me its all going to be ok? ?

[TremF]

16 minutes ago, Nic said:

Now you've got me worried...

I just paid the £1000 pre-order on my Z10 last week ... the price looked amazing and I really struggled to justify even spending this much. I was a little worried by the bank transfer thing, especially as my bank checked the receiving account and said that it was a personal account and not a business account. The chap I was in touch with at theninebot.co.uk was Dominic and he has yet to reply to my emails asking him to confirm the transfer or expected delivery of my Z10. I am hoping it all goes well and I do actually receive my Z10 as promised. The website appears legit, which is why I went through with placing my order. Please someone tell me its all going to be ok? ?

I'm sorry to say you've likely lost that cash now and you aren't going to see a Ninebot One Z10 for that price. I almost jumped at it but big alarm bells rang loud and clear when they said bank transfer only. When something is too good to be true it likely is and in this case....   

[Keith]

4 hours ago, Nic said:

Please someone tell me its all going to be ok? 

Please keep us informed how you get on? 

To be honest, we have no information, I.e. no negative, or indeed positive feedback about this company at all - compare that with just how much good feedback we hear about Speedyfeet, and he is not active on this forum at all ( so hasn’t built up a fan base here for example). The biggest unknown to me is that you would think, if he was behaving badly, we would have had some feedback by now - but it is equally odd that there is nothing positive either? 

so, we cannot say that there is any problem at all in buying from this company,  however I’m with @TremF that anyone for whom I didn’t have an absolutely huge level of trust  could stick an offer that required me to do a bank transfer where the sun don’t shine.

Take a closer look at the foot of that website: Ninebot UK is a trading name of England & Wales Company 
Resistered Address: 8 Wandsworth Rd, Perivale, London, UB6 7JD, UK  not only, if you do a search at Companies house is there no “England & Wales Company” but if you think about it there is absolutely no way you would be allowed to register that as a company name - Oh and Wandsworth Road is in Battersea, I was born there so that rung alarm bells too.

However the bottom line to me is his continued statement that he is the exclusive authorised Ninebot distributer in the U.K, if he didn’t do that there might be a degree of trust. Segway/Ninebot B.V. the European arm of the company have confirmed they have no knowledge of him. 

 @nute had said, in the original thread, that he thought I wasn’t giving this guy a chance and “there is no requirement for a company to be registered” this is certainly true and is a good point, he also pointed out that the guy is not British so that may be a good reason for his ‘clumsy’ English and that doesn’t mean he is a bad person - which is also a point. However, to me, saying a business has a “registered address” is to say it is registered! @nutealso made the point that CE testing isn’t worth the paper it’s written on ( and you certainly get the impression that on some devices that have CE test certificates it stands for Chinese Equipment) but that is to miss the point that Segway Ninebot B.V. will not be importing them to Europe without the CE certification so any wheel coming in is surely likely to be coming direct from China via the backdoor (grey import)  - with possible issues if it is supposed to be Chinese stock  like possibly not being able to register it or connect to any app? Oh and @nute did say “I understand he takes paypal so why anyone would not use that and send cash direct i don't know.“  and that, given that you were forced to use a bank draft, is also a point! 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Keith

[Turbocharged]

13 hours ago, Turbocharged said:

I'll ask ninebot engineers on Monday about riding with pressure so low, see if there will be any negative effect to the tire or rim.

This is the answer Ninebot engineer provided, basically, as long as that orange line does not touch the ground while you are on it, you are ok! If it is too low you are risking both the tire and the rim.

Then I tried 10 psi with my 82 kg of bone and fat on my Z... no... too low for my weight

After multiple tests, for a person weighs similar to me, I would suggest 18-20 psi as a bare minimum! But in this range, that random "sideway pull" effect may come into play, I still don't understand why it happens

 

[mezzanine]

18 hours ago, Turbocharged said:

He is still riding it.?

I have different experiences... but he gives a very nice and thorough review!

I'm always a big fan of Chooch's reviews and have said before that he's far and away the best reviewer for my purposes.  I'm glad that he took the time he needed to be able to go in-depth to provide a quality review.     

He makes a bunch of observations that surprised me.  He prefers keeping the tire pressure lower than is listed.  It kinda makes sense to me because I was surprised when there wasn't a positive initial response by early reviewers to the tubeless/wide design.  It seems like you need to run at a lower pressure to really get the advantage of the tire.  I imagine it will come down to the individual, but his observation makes intuitive sense to me based on my own expectations.  

He also talks about the torque being exceptional, which is another thing I don't remember being mentioned in earlier discussion.  I'm all about the torque going from 0-15km/h and Chooch says that the Z10 is exceptional for it's ability to accelerate.  

He's rekindled my enthusiasm for this wheel again, after being a little scared over the initial response.  Almost certain this will be my next wheel after flip-flopping a bit over the newer releases.  

[mezzanine]

I'm so psyched for this wheel again!  I was so disappointed when it seemed like my excitement wasn't going to be matched by reality.  Chooch literally couldn't have done a better job of getting me pumped for the Z10 again.  I was sure I wasn't going to buy a new wheel for quite a while, but now I'm back trying to figure out ways to be able to buy one. 

Jason is smart to send a test wheel out to reviewers because Chooch's review has lit a fire under me.  It's crazy how wide a range my expectations have traveled for this wheel considering I went from hyped to disappointed, and now back to hyped again.  I guess it's a lesson that one shouldn't get too caught up in early reviews until there's someone whose judgment you trust gets their hands on it.   

[Marty Backe]

19 minutes ago, mezzanine said:

I'm always a big fan of Chooch's reviews and have said before that he's far and away the best reviewer for my purposes.  I'm glad that he took the time he needed to be able to go in-depth to provide a quality review.     

He makes a bunch of observations that surprised me.  He prefers keeping the tire pressure lower than is listed.  It kinda makes sense to me because I was surprised when there wasn't a positive initial response by early reviewers to the tubeless/wide design.  It seems like you need to run at a lower pressure to really get the advantage of the tire.  I imagine it will come down to the individual, but his observation makes intuitive sense to me based on my own expectations.  

He also talks about the torque being exceptional, which is another thing I don't remember being mentioned in earlier discussion.  I'm all about the torque going from 0-15km/h and Chooch says that the Z10 is exceptional for it's ability to accelerate.  

He's rekindled my enthusiasm for this wheel again, after being a little scared over the initial response.  Almost certain this will be my next wheel after flip-flopping a bit over the newer releases.  

I agree. He makes me glad that I bought one.

One thing to keep in mind though, is that Chooch weighs 120-pounds. That's why he can ride it at 10-psi and also why he reports lots of torque. I suspect that when I ride it (175-pounds) it won't feel quite so torqey (sic).

[Marty Backe]

11 minutes ago, mezzanine said:

I'm so psyched for this wheel again!  I was so disappointed when it seemed like my excitement wasn't going to be matched by reality.  Chooch literally couldn't have done a better job of getting me pumped for the Z10 again.  I was sure I wasn't going to buy a new wheel for quite a while, but now I'm back trying to figure out ways to be able to buy one. 

Jason is smart to send a test wheel out to reviewers because Chooch's review has lit a fire under me.  It's crazy how wide a range my expectations have traveled for this wheel considering I went from hyped to disappointed, and now back to hyped again.  I guess it's a lesson that one shouldn't get too caught up in early reviews until there's someone whose judgment you trust gets their hands on it.   

I hope he sends it to me this week so that I can give my take on the wheel. I'll definitely be experimenting with the air pressure based on what I learned from him.

41 minutes ago, Turbocharged said:

This is the answer Ninebot engineer provided, basically, as long as that orange line does not touch the ground while you are on it, you are ok! If it is too low you are risking both the tire and the rim.

Then I tried 10 psi with my 82 kg of bone and fat on my Z... no... too low for my weight

After multiple tests, for a person weighs similar to me, I would suggest 18-20 psi as a bare minimum! But in this range, that random "sideway pull" effect may come into play, I still don't understand why it happens

 

Fantastic info. That's for getting this information to use. I'll be using this when evaluating the week next week.

[novazeus]

4 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

glad that I bought one.

have u heard anything from jason?

i guessed good on chooch’s weight, did he say he weighed 120?

[Daniel Burkemper]

17 minutes ago, novazeus said:

have u heard anything from jason?

i guessed good on chooch’s weight, did he say he weighed 120?

Is the current NB Z10 timeline still accurate? According to @Jason McNeil diagram at eWheels, they would have already started shipping or ship this week?

What kind of ETA would people expect if they are using the air frieght option? 

I just figured I would ask the question on everyone’s mind. The anticipation is getting to me, and I have one more vacation this summer. ??☀️

[mezzanine]

I could tell Chooch was light, but was still surprised when he said he weighs only 120lbs.  His weight surely factored into the tire pressure he was able to get away with.  

His analogy to riding a street bike was really helpful for me in gaining a better sense of the different riding characteristic compared to other wheels.  It's what you would imagine just looking at it, but to hear it put into words helped make it real for me. 

I really think the key takeaway from the review is going to be the idea that this wheel rides better with lower tire pressure.  I was gutted when the earlier reviews said that the tire was actually worse on bumps than a lot of currently available wheels because I've had all my hopes for this wheel riding on the tire being a big step forward for EUCs.  He even used the magic word "suspension-like" to describe the effect, which is what I've been praying for.  

This wheel has been torture to wait for because I kept overreacting to whatever new bit of information a reviewer would say about it due to my impatience and how different it is.  Lesson in staying patient because it looks now like it's mostly what I was hoping it would be.  What a rollercoaster.  For sure getting one, but probably not for a while still.  

[Marty Backe]

21 minutes ago, Daniel Burkemper said:

Is the current NB Z10 timeline still accurate? According to @Jason McNeil diagram at eWheels, they would have already started shipping or ship this week?

What kind of ETA would people expect if they are using the air frieght option? 

I just figured I would ask the question on everyone’s mind. The anticipation is getting to me, and I have one more vacation this summer. ??☀️

I haven't heard anything from Jason, but I'm assuming that I won't see my Z10 until mid-August, earliest.

[TremF]

8 hours ago, Keith said:

Oh and @nute did say “I understand he takes paypal so why anyone would not use that and send cash direct i don't know.“  and that, given that you were forced to use a bank draft, is also a point! 

 

I am not sure when or for what he takes Paypal but when I went through the checkout process I definitely didn't get the option.

As soon as it got to the Bank Transfer only payment option I emailed Dominic about it and he didn't respond even though he had only just responded to my queries regarding the price (to which he said there was a limited quantity at £1000 then the price would rise to £1400) and whether or not it came with the mudguard (to which he said only for pre-orders they would be free). So he was monitoring emails but chose to ignore my Paypal query.

He may not be too bad and may have sold a number of EUC's but the lack of any information/reviews online is worrying and the extremely low price even more so as if he does get any he won't get them that cheap and definitely won't honour the price unless he can swallow that much loss per wheel.

I think I'll wait for proper release and a few more riders trying it out before I decide to take the plunge. If I do I'll be turning to SpeedyFeet.

Edited July 9, 2018 by TremF

[US69]

1 hour ago, TremF said:

I am not sure when or for what he takes Paypal but when I went through the checkout process I definitely didn't get the option.

As soon as it got to the Bank Transfer only payment option I emailed Dominic about it and he didn't respond even though he had only just responded to my queries regarding the price (to which he said there was a limited quantity at £1000 then the price would rise to £1400) and whether or not it came with the mudguard (to which he said only for pre-orders they would be free). So he was monitoring emails but chose to ignore my Paypal query.

He may not be too bad and may have sold a number of EUC's but the lack of any information/reviews online is worrying and the extremely low price even more so as if he does get any he won't get them that cheap and definitely won't honour the price unless he can swallow that much loss per wheel.

All i read about this ninebot.uk company only taking bank transfers ....paying in advance...

The flag is not even red anymore! Its high pink!!! Sorry to anybody how sent 1000bucks by bank.....sounds like wave good bye to your money....my 2 cents....

Thats all to good to be true!!! Even The chinese ali sellers take about 2 grand for for the z10!

Edited July 9, 2018 by US69